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Frankenberry wrote:
Saying that I don't believe something isn't appalling and insensitive - it's that I don't care, and I don't have to - attacking me because I refuse to go along with every story of 'I'm depressed, let me get away with whatever I want and feel bad for me' is pretty pointless - perhaps you should stay on topic.

whether you believe it or not, it happens. It is a 'thing'.

You don't have to care about it at all - by all means, don't bother. Who you give a damn about is entirely up to you. But what you should do at the very least is try to understand and acknowledge where other people might be coming from, and not dismiss it out of hand. These things happen to people. These things cause effects. After that, you can do whatever the hell you want.

NorseSig wrote:
I know about depression. I have it. Have spent some time in a facility to get help for it. Even at my worst when making suicide attempts (came very close to being successful at it more than once), I never stopped with bathing myself. So don't give me that crap that having depression makes it okay to not bathe and that the disease is too crippling to do so. I know better than that from my personal experience.

I can understand if someone has untreated mental diseases that things get get out of hand and away from oneself.

Firstly, I will apologise for saying that it sounded like you had no idea what it was like to go through. That was crude. You've been on that road too, and I can only hope and encourage you on so you beat the monster.

Thst said, I never said having depression made it 'okay to not bathe'. I merely acknowledged that it can be as aspect of it. Like I said, I know numerous people who I can only describe as who 'stopped caring' when they fell into that pit. It overwhelmed them. Those simple things that you managed - well, they couldn't. That's depression - there are so many different ways in can manifest itself.

Saying it's horrible to not bathe and whatever - yes, you are right, it is. And I never said it wasn't. I merely acknowledge there might be a reason behind it other than smelly insensitive gamer?

I think some folks may be talking in circles.

Regardless of what naysayers may incorrectly believe, depression is very real, and the effects can very much include the kind of things that have been described here

At the same time acknowledging that someone struggling with mental illness may not even consider personal hygiene does not negate public standards.

The key is to have both the courage and the sensitivity to take a gamer aside and address the issue when it arrises. This seems to be where gamers (especially store owners/staff) seem to fail. They are much more likely to come here and complain about a smell than address the issue when it arises.

 Eilif wrote:
I think some folks may be talking in circles.

Regardless of what naysayers may incorrectly believe, depression is very real, and the effects can very much include the kind of things that have been described here

At the same time acknowledging that someone struggling with mental illness may not even consider personal hygiene does not negate public standards.

The key is to have both the courage and the sensitivity to take a gamer aside and address the issue when it arrises. This seems to be where gamers (especially store owners/staff) seem to fail. They are much more likely to come here and complain about a smell than address the issue when it arises.

Exalted.

All this talk of depression is depressing. Can we get back to the popcorn thread this has mostly been??

 timetowaste85 wrote:
All this talk of depression is depressing. Can we get back to the popcorn thread this has mostly been??

I'm honestly surprised the thread hasn't been locked yet.

 CrownAxe wrote:


It was clear she had never played video games before and was only getting into it for the attention and/or profit her looks could get her from video game streaming. I just find it amusing that she managed to stumble across across the FLGS (whose only possible relation is that it has "Game" in its name) instead of the numerous chain stores that actually sell electronics and video games.

How were you actually able to discern this information?

That's how I found out about Games Workshop when I was 12. I walked into GW Glasgow: Queens Street and asked about what computer games they were selling.

Miniature Wargaming was just a completely alien concept to mini-Compel.

 Eilif wrote:
I think some folks may be talking in circles.

Regardless of what naysayers may incorrectly believe, depression is very real, and the effects can very much include the kind of things that have been described here

At the same time acknowledging that someone struggling with mental illness may not even consider personal hygiene does not negate public standards.

The key is to have both the courage and the sensitivity to take a gamer aside and address the issue when it arrises. This seems to be where gamers (especially store owners/staff) seem to fail. They are much more likely to come here and complain about a smell than address the issue when it arises.

Actually from what I've seen they're more likely to act like insensitive passive-aggressive gits in person and then come here and complain about it. The type of knuckle-dragging cretins who dismiss mental illness out of hand aren't capable of sensitivity or understanding.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Eilif wrote:
I think some folks may be talking in circles.

Regardless of what naysayers may incorrectly believe, depression is very real, and the effects can very much include the kind of things that have been described here

At the same time acknowledging that someone struggling with mental illness may not even consider personal hygiene does not negate public standards.

The key is to have both the courage and the sensitivity to take a gamer aside and address the issue when it arrises. This seems to be where gamers (especially store owners/staff) seem to fail. They are much more likely to come here and complain about a smell than address the issue when it arises.

Actually from what I've seen they're more likely to act like insensitive passive-aggressive gits in person and then come here and complain about it. The type of knuckle-dragging cretins who dismiss mental illness out of hand aren't capable of sensitivity or understanding.

+1 for obliquely insulting people.

Anyhow, back in topic; I was in my old FLGS once looking at some Khador stuff (had Karchev in my hand) and this...spawn appears and proceeds to try and grab it out of my hands with a guffaw and 'Karchev sucks'. I change my grip and keep it solid and look at him, frowning.

Seriously he wouldn't let go. He tugged once and laughed stupidly. It was probably a good fifteen seconds of him not getting that my IFF indicator was rapidly changing him from friend to foe. Before I could fire up a 'what the feth' the owner appeared and shooed him away.

One of the few times I locked up, not out of fear, but disbelief.

Can we please get back on topic before this thread gets locked?

I've only ever had minor issues, but I have had three things happen at three different places. Two being ye'old FLGS and one being a bonafied GW.

I got into WH40k when I was.. around 10 or 11, it was very early in the 2,000s and back in 3rd edition. Anyway I was at the GW in the Denver Mills Mall back.. A long time ago, I think I was 15. It was nearly a decade. I was playing a random 2,000 points game vs someone.. I think they were necrons, I was using my (only army) Dark Angels. Back then I was trying to go for a partial-fallen vibe with the models, so quite a few of them were rather heavily converted or kit-bashed. My favorite bit being that I'd used the old Dark Eldar Scourge jump-packs instead of large and bulky space-marine ones, so my HQ's which I'd outfitted them with as well as my assault squad had a big batman aesthetic.

Long story short I had said assault squad and choppy HQ deployed ontop of a large building ready to jump down.. When this sub 10 year old kid came into the store bouncing a ball, and bounced it against the building. The full squad (10 assault marines + 2 HQ units) dropped onto the table, and several more of them dropped / rolled / bounced onto the floor. Everyone lost at least an arm or a jump pack, and several were far more severely broken. I was quite livid, especially given the mother of the little monster simply grabbed his hand and hauled him out as soon as she saw that her child had destroyed something; no apology, no scolding, no checking to see if anything was damaged.

Fortunately the staff at the store were awesome and helped me search for all the bitz that had broken off. We ended up finding most of it in a few minutes, and they brought out their back-of-store bitz box and let me rummage through it to replace the few that I didn't find. So all was largely well in the end.

The FLGS are pretty bland. When I was 20 I moved to Spokane Washington, spent a few weeks hanging out at the FLGS there and chatting with the manager, and he ended up selling me over 800$ over second-hard ork models for 200$ on the nose, so that I could start playing again after having been out of the hobby for awhile. First night I went to play after spending a week repairing them / assembling the few others I needed to run a functional army.. I was followed around all night by some scrawny little guy telling me that I needed more PKs and Boyz in my army, never mind the entire list being mechanized other than my nob bikers. At another store where I live now I turned up with my Renegades and Heretics army list the first time I went there to play (but I also brought an IG codex incase FW wasn't allowed). Everyone said they had no problem with it and would let me run it rather than vanilla IG, and everyone also wanted to do a big 3v3 game with everyone using 1,500 points. Playing to the strengths of Renegades and Heretics I was running The Purge, Ordnancy Tyrant, and lots of stationary arty pieces. The IG player on the other side spent the entire game complaining about how cheap and effective my stuff was, and scoffing in disbelief at it in the FW book I brought.

So like I said, relatively uninteresting. Nothing compared to some of the more genuine horror stories which a few have posted.

On the front of BO... I've not had much bad luck with that in any gaming stores.

Just a question, if someone breaks a model in a way it can't be repaired (as in smashing a Rhino in half), what do you do? I see a lot of kids running around dangerously close to my stuff.

 Matthew wrote:
Just a question, if someone breaks a model in a way it can't be repaired (as in smashing a Rhino in half), what do you do? I see a lot of kids running around dangerously close to my stuff.

You play in a place with children running around?

 Matthew wrote:
Just a question, if someone breaks a model in a way it can't be repaired (as in smashing a Rhino in half), what do you do? I see a lot of kids running around dangerously close to my stuff.

They break it, they pay for it. And if the culprit is a child then responsibility passes on to their parents.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
Just a question, if someone breaks a model in a way it can't be repaired (as in smashing a Rhino in half), what do you do? I see a lot of kids running around dangerously close to my stuff.

You play in a place with children running around?

I play in GW Stockholm, maybe 70% kids. Most of these are 12 or younger.

 Matthew wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
Just a question, if someone breaks a model in a way it can't be repaired (as in smashing a Rhino in half), what do you do? I see a lot of kids running around dangerously close to my stuff.

You play in a place with children running around?

I play in GW Stockholm, maybe 70% kids. Most of these are 12 or younger.

Now there's a horror story for you.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 Matthew wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
Just a question, if someone breaks a model in a way it can't be repaired (as in smashing a Rhino in half), what do you do? I see a lot of kids running around dangerously close to my stuff.

You play in a place with children running around?

I play in GW Stockholm, maybe 70% kids. Most of these are 12 or younger.

Now there's a horror story for you.

Aye. I'm 14 so I'm a bit of a hypocrite, but I don't literally melt parts of my models with glue. There's always that one kid who buys a Knight and can't even glue it properly.

I'm 35 and still melt parts of my minis. It's a combination of poor eyesight and trying to accomplish as much hobbying as possible in the time it takes a four year old to go to the bathroom, not including wiping time or what I like to call "damage control."

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I'm 35 and still melt parts of my minis. It's a combination of poor eyesight and trying to accomplish as much hobbying as possible in the time it takes a four year old to go to the bathroom, not including wiping time or what I like to call "damage control."

I'm not talking about the odd spill here or there, they literally smear glue all over the models.

Matthew wrote:
Aye. I'm 14 so I'm a bit of a hypocrite, but I don't literally melt parts of my models with glue. There's always that one kid who buys a Knight and can't even glue it properly.

Flashbacks of buying the Black Reach box in GW and letting one of the teenage regulars glue the dread together...

BobtheInquisitor wrote:I'm 35 and still melt parts of my minis. It's a combination of poor eyesight and trying to accomplish as much hobbying as possible in the time it takes a four year old to go to the bathroom, not including wiping time or what I like to call "damage control."

I still use gloopy poly cement, but sparingly, and with paper towels nearby. I've also discovered liquid poly cement, and love the way that, without fillers (I guess), any minor spills or squeeze-outs just evaporate away and leave little but a slightly shinier finish on the surface.

 Matthew wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
Just a question, if someone breaks a model in a way it can't be repaired (as in smashing a Rhino in half), what do you do? I see a lot of kids running around dangerously close to my stuff.

You play in a place with children running around?

I play in GW Stockholm, maybe 70% kids. Most of these are 12 or younger.

I was there, and this is the absolute truth. I find the just above preteens the worst though. The GW I wrote about was the Stockholm one. It is really nice for a GW though as far as interiors go.

Time your days. They have adult workshops, and kid days on the weekends.

Do. Not. Go. On. Weekends.

 Matthew wrote:
Just a question, if someone breaks a model in a way it can't be repaired (as in smashing a Rhino in half), what do you do? I see a lot of kids running around dangerously close to my stuff.

I had a Sisters of Battle Exorcist that was close to the corner of the game table(hey with sisters, 48" range is amazing) a smaller kid ran by the table, and I cant remember if he bumped the table or I did reactivly to grab the model before certain death awaited her. It fell off and exploded everywhere. After that I didn't have the servitor missile loader, or either of the organ players arms. Sad day. I just chalked it up to my fault for putting it on the edge of the table. After that I do not put any models that close to the table edge.

The thing is weekends are the only time I have some free time... It takes up to an hour to go to GW from my school.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I'm 35 and still melt parts of my minis. It's a combination of poor eyesight and trying to accomplish as much hobbying as possible in the time it takes a four year old to go to the bathroom, not including wiping time or what I like to call "damage control."

I had a buddy in the army that I had to save his FW Bloodthirster.... Seriously. Here was a 20-something dude (he was single, so no kids to use as an excuse) who had caked Green stuff, super glue, plastic cement, elmers glue and god knows what else to the various bits of this giant model.

I got it home, scraped, bathed and cleaned it up and got it painted literally just in time for him to return back to the states with it.... Sadly, the only pics I have are a few WIP pictures... But, I think he came out looking a bit like Diablo, a nice dark mahogany red, with awesome looking metallic armor and stuff.

I used to play at this store in New York about 10 years ago. Was a nice friendly store with 2 or 3 really big game tables that you could split in half and have plenty of space for a 1000 to 1500pt games easily. Anyway im reminded of the day that i was playing there and holding my tape measure in my hand with my right hand gripping the tape and my left holding the box and the kid i was playing with ripped it out of my hand and the tape cut all of my fingers and my palm pretty deeply. Can still see the scars on a few of my fingers. Don't think i every played a game against him again. Less of a store horror story more of a opponent horror story i guess.

I also have an opponent horror story. So at my LGS I knew this one kid who played Salamanders. Now the kid himself was a nice person, but I swear some of the stuff he did in games was utterly infuriating. So to begin he asks me if I'm fine with him proxying some stuff. I tell him no problem, I proxy weapons as other weapons and models as other models all the time. So then he brings out little circles of cardboard and begins arranging them into squads. He didn't even bring models. Just pieces of cardboard. The second thing he did that irritated me was how he deployed said models. Now my LGS has come custom terrain in the form of tall ruined buildings (some of these buildings had 6+ floors to them), and one of the house rules at the LGS was that you couldn't deploy above the third floor on the building unless you received permission from your opponent (the buildings had been donated a long time ago before the rule was implemented). So the kid deploys his cardboard thunderfire cannons on top of the buildings, so that I can't even tell if any of my units have line of sight to them, while he's claiming that they can see everything from their position on top of the building. I haven't really played the kid in Warhammer since then, although I do still see him around from time to time in the store.

 War Kitten wrote:
I also have an opponent horror story. So at my LGS I knew this one kid who played Salamanders. Now the kid himself was a nice person, but I swear some of the stuff he did in games was utterly infuriating. So to begin he asks me if I'm fine with him proxying some stuff. I tell him no problem, I proxy weapons as other weapons and models as other models all the time. So then he brings out little circles of cardboard and begins arranging them into squads. He didn't even bring models. Just pieces of cardboard. The second thing he did that irritated me was how he deployed said models. Now my LGS has come custom terrain in the form of tall ruined buildings (some of these buildings had 6+ floors to them), and one of the house rules at the LGS was that you couldn't deploy above the third floor on the building unless you received permission from your opponent (the buildings had been donated a long time ago before the rule was implemented). So the kid deploys his cardboard thunderfire cannons on top of the buildings, so that I can't even tell if any of my units have line of sight to them, while he's claiming that they can see everything from their position on top of the building. I haven't really played the kid in Warhammer since then, although I do still see him around from time to time in the store.

Not going to lie, if someone set up a bunch of cardboard tokens as 'proxies', I'd laugh, ask him if he was serious, then ask again with a sense of disbelief, and then refuse to play. Because a game that works so much around line of sign is impossible with cardboard tokens. Not to mention that I have no desire to play against cardboard tokens. I'd be on Vassal if I wanted to play virtual warhammer.

 Ketara wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
I also have an opponent horror story. So at my LGS I knew this one kid who played Salamanders. Now the kid himself was a nice person, but I swear some of the stuff he did in games was utterly infuriating. So to begin he asks me if I'm fine with him proxying some stuff. I tell him no problem, I proxy weapons as other weapons and models as other models all the time. So then he brings out little circles of cardboard and begins arranging them into squads. He didn't even bring models. Just pieces of cardboard. The second thing he did that irritated me was how he deployed said models. Now my LGS has come custom terrain in the form of tall ruined buildings (some of these buildings had 6+ floors to them), and one of the house rules at the LGS was that you couldn't deploy above the third floor on the building unless you received permission from your opponent (the buildings had been donated a long time ago before the rule was implemented). So the kid deploys his cardboard thunderfire cannons on top of the buildings, so that I can't even tell if any of my units have line of sight to them, while he's claiming that they can see everything from their position on top of the building. I haven't really played the kid in Warhammer since then, although I do still see him around from time to time in the store.

Not going to lie, if someone set up a bunch of cardboard tokens as 'proxies', I'd laugh, ask him if he was serious, then ask again with a sense of disbelief, and then refuse to play. Because a game that works so much around line of sign is impossible with cardboard tokens. Not to mention that I have no desire to play against cardboard tokens. I'd be on Vassal if I wanted to play virtual warhammer.

Yeah. What's the point of playing 40k without the models? For the rules?

Yes, thats outright cheating.

I might make an excuse for cardboard tokens if playing with a friend who wanted to playtest certain units before making a purchase if he asked me up front, but to ask permission for something without first explaining what that means in practice is taking advantage.

I would have withdrawn permission the moment I saw the cardboard.

 Vermis wrote:

Matthew wrote:
Aye. I'm 14 so I'm a bit of a hypocrite, but I don't literally melt parts of my models with glue. There's always that one kid who buys a Knight and can't even glue it properly.

Flashbacks of buying the Black Reach box in GW and letting one of the teenage regulars glue the dread together...

Had a guy with some Black Templars in a GW I used to go into had a Predator that looked liked he'd sneezed over it...

I really hope it was glue.