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 AnomanderRake wrote:
Based on how they handled Grey Knights and the Skitarii (and the Deathwatch, for that matter) I'd expect a single power-armoured Sisters kit (three special and three heavy weapons instead of three special guns and multiple main weapon options for each model) and a separate Seraphim kit, Repentia to remain in Finecast, and a tank kit. Penitent Engines in plastic and a plastic Celestian/command squad kit are less likely.

I actually looked it up on GW's site. Repentia are not in fact Finecast, they are still metal.


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 Pouncey wrote:
And schizophrenia is a mental illness that someone once said to me typically ends one of two ways. Either the patient takes their meds compliantly and ends up living the rest of their long, long life on welfare due to still being too crippled to actually hold a job, or they reject the meds and end up having a psychotic break serious enough to require the police to shoot and kill them.

Well ... I hope you get to live a long life on welfare, because that's frankly better than getting shot dead...

I do too, since even when I was only missing 1-2 doses a year (typically due to falling asleep on the couch watching a movie) instead of 4-5 a week (typically due to wanting to stay up all night playing video games or arguing on forums), the side effects of the antipsychotics (i.e. the typical reason for schizophrenics not taking their meds) weren't actually too bad for me and my life was pretty decent. It's a situation I could very easily turn around on my own but haven't seemed to actually be able to.

As for Sisters, why do they need a plane? They don't need a plane. The Imperial Navy has planes. Not the Ecclesiarchy.

I dunno. Typically when someone suggests a flyer for Sororitas to take they say that the Lightning Strike Fighter would be the most suitable though. I assumed there was a lore reason for that.

Yeah, I don't think any of the Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy or Sisters models are Finecast.

 Pouncey wrote:
Because I actually do have such a difference in my mind, and that difference is that I have schizophrenia and 99% of all humans do not.

Okay, I guess that should clear up things for people that might think you are arguing in bad faith. You are not and that is 100% okay .

 Pouncey wrote:
And schizophrenia is a mental illness that someone once said to me typically ends one of two ways. Either the patient takes their meds compliantly and ends up living the rest of their long, long life on welfare due to still being too crippled to actually hold a job, or they reject the meds and end up having a psychotic break serious enough to require the police to shoot and kill them.

Then, just like Gen. Steiner, I really wish for you to live a long life on welfare. And really there is nothing wrong about living on welfare, no need to feel bad about that!

Gen.Steiner wrote:
As for Sisters, why do they need a plane?

To purge the enemies of the Emperor faster. And to purge the airborne heretics. And all that jazz.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Gen.Steiner wrote:
As for Sisters, why do they need a plane?

To purge the enemies of the Emperor faster. And to purge the airborne heretics. And all that jazz.

But... nooo... the Imperial Navy handles air support! It's bad enough that Valkyries are used by some Guard units, and that the Phantine exist (both in contravention of post-Heresy military Doctrine), let alone giving these legal loophole warrior nuns of the church militant air power, let them request Navy air assets if they need air cover!

Grumble grumble aircraft have no place in 40K mutter grumble

 Pouncey wrote:

Darthslowe wrote:
Oh, sure. I figure it wouldn't be hard to fit two each of heavy bolters, multi-meltas, and heavy flamers on the same sprue as two or three each of meltaguns, flamers, and storm bolters.

From what I've seen of Sisters, one sprue could have the bodies, legs, heads, arms, and maybe the bolters. Another would have the special and heavy weapons.

Sisters benefit from having a rather limited selection of weaponry for an imperial army.

Okay. : D

I just wanted to be absolutely clear on the subject since you hadn't actually mentioned special weapons yet, only heavy ones, and it's not like people with no clue about Sororitas haven't offered opinions on them before. Not saying you're clueless about them, just that I don't know anything about you and thus it was not something I was able to exclude as a possibility.

And if Sisters do end up getting more weapons in the future (since they do use non-bolter/melta/flamer weapons on occasion), I guess they could either make those bits as a conversion kit, or preferably roll them into the standard kits if, as we all hope that this hypothetical update will make happen, Sororitas are doing well enough to be completely worth supporting with a full range of models and units.

True. I actually am a Sisters player, sort of. I haven't played a game in a couple of years now, but I do still have my army. Dark Angels were my first love, but it was more a middle school crush. The way I feel about Sisters is much akin to meeting your soul mate at a work function, after having been married for 10 years. I love them deeply and passionately, but it will all go up in flames once my wife realizes where that money has been going

Darthslowe wrote:
True. I actually am a Sisters player, sort of. I haven't played a game in a couple of years now, but I do still have my army. Dark Angels were my first love, but it was more a middle school crush. The way I feel about Sisters is much akin to meeting your soul mate at a work function, after having been married for 10 years. I love them deeply and passionately, but it will all go up in flames once my wife realizes where that money has been going

How big's your Sisters army? Mine's not massive (Living Saint, Command Squad, 10 Celestians, 2 squads of 10 Sisters, 5 Seraphim, 6 Dominions - all in Rhinos or Immolators, supported by an Exorcist - and then another squad of Seraphim is WIP, along with the Repentia and my Heavy Bolter Retributors), but it is probably one of my very most favouritist armies.

Sorry, got the name wrong, it should be the Lightning Fighter.

This is because this was their designated flyer during Soulstorm. Despite how crap that game was, it is the only instance of the SoBs having a flyer of any sort. And every faction in this game has a flyer nowadays, so might as well be one with some precedence (that and a Forge World Flyer is infinitely better than any crazy ones GW might come up with. The Blackstar is cool and all but I doubt GW can hit two home runs in a row in such a short amount of time).

Fine! But it should be Imperial Navy, not some bizzaro Ecclesiarchy thing!

In the game it had a pretty ferocious sister behind the helm. At least I think it did, haven't built one in years.

I also googled a bit and found the Avenger Strike Fighter. Anyone know if it canonically has a Sister behind the helm or if it's just "assigned" to them?

It's not got a Sister in the cockpit, because it's an Imperial Navy fighter craft.

Same way the Imperial Guard (Phantine excepted ) don't fly aircraft, because the Imperial Navy does it for them.

It was, in fact, the reason why the Space Marines didn't have any aircraft other than Thunderhawks either, but I guess somebody forgot about that bit...

 Gen.Steiner wrote:
But... nooo... the Imperial Navy handles air support!

The Navy handles interplanetary travel. But for planes… well, I guess you can go either way. But now that every army and their dog has fliers, either mechanical or giant monsters, seems only fair that the Sisters, who are described as a complete army, get one.

 Gen.Steiner wrote:
It's not got a Sister in the cockpit, because it's an Imperial Navy fighter craft.

Same way the Imperial Guard (Phantine excepted ) don't fly aircraft, because the Imperial Navy does it for them.

It was, in fact, the reason why the Space Marines didn't have any aircraft other than Thunderhawks either, but I guess somebody forgot about that bit...

Ah yes I remember the minor fluff booboo that was the Dark Angel aircrafts.

The Imperial Navy is responsible for all inter-solar military activity, and all air support and aerospace combat duties.

Local systems provide System Monitors and other interplanetary gunboats, sometimes, but these are mostly repurposed freighters and other Q-Ships.

The Imperial Guard's purview is exclusively ground (and sea) combat. It is for the same reason that there are no combined arms regiments - there are Armoured Regiments, but they have no artillery or infantry support. There are Artillery Regiments, with no infantry support. There are Infantry Regiments, with specialist infantry support vehicles... and no tanks.

It's all to reduce the impact of any one unit going renegade.

All that said, I have no objection to Sisters getting an atmocraft, so long as it's clearly an Imperial Navy ship, like the Valkyries, Vultures and Vendettas are.

Just like the distinction between infantry regiment, armored regiments and artillery regiments do not exists for the Sororitas, I think it would make perfect sense for them to also include their own aircraft. I mean, let's not forget that they exists through a semi-intentional loophole, and that they used to be the private elite force of someone who was both master of the administratum and the ministorum. I doubt that when Sebastian Thor forced the High Lords to allow them to remain as the Ministorum armed forces, he didn't sign an addendum saying “But we'll remove all their aircraft for no good reason, lol joke's on you now!”

Darthslowe wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Darthslowe wrote:
Oh, sure. I figure it wouldn't be hard to fit two each of heavy bolters, multi-meltas, and heavy flamers on the same sprue as two or three each of meltaguns, flamers, and storm bolters.

From what I've seen of Sisters, one sprue could have the bodies, legs, heads, arms, and maybe the bolters. Another would have the special and heavy weapons.

Sisters benefit from having a rather limited selection of weaponry for an imperial army.

Okay. : D

I just wanted to be absolutely clear on the subject since you hadn't actually mentioned special weapons yet, only heavy ones, and it's not like people with no clue about Sororitas haven't offered opinions on them before. Not saying you're clueless about them, just that I don't know anything about you and thus it was not something I was able to exclude as a possibility.

And if Sisters do end up getting more weapons in the future (since they do use non-bolter/melta/flamer weapons on occasion), I guess they could either make those bits as a conversion kit, or preferably roll them into the standard kits if, as we all hope that this hypothetical update will make happen, Sororitas are doing well enough to be completely worth supporting with a full range of models and units.

True. I actually am a Sisters player, sort of. I haven't played a game in a couple of years now, but I do still have my army. Dark Angels were my first love, but it was more a middle school crush. The way I feel about Sisters is much akin to meeting your soul mate at a work function, after having been married for 10 years. I love them deeply and passionately, but it will all go up in flames once my wife realizes where that money has been going

I'm kinda lucky in that regard.

My significant other lives in another country, and I've never actually met him face-to-face despite having been with him in an online relationship since 2007 (weird, I know, but it actually works for us better than being together IRL since physical intimacy would be difficult due to neither one of us finding the other's real-life self physically attractive in any way and the concept of me and him having sex having a variety of problems that make it undesirable to begin with. Which I guess means that I can legitimately say that I'm in a loving relationship that is, undeniably, not because of any sort of physical attraction), so what either of us spend money on isn't something we have to argue about (well, we do, usually because he buys tons of little doodads on a whim but often says he doesn't have the funds to buy a game he wants to play that I'm looking forward to playing with him...).

In regards to my own enjoyment of Sisters of Battle though, it started when I saw the Sisters of Battle Codex (before Witch Hunters was a thing) and I was like, "That's so cool! But... they're all girls, and my friends will make fun of me if I play an army of girls." because I was in my mid-teens. Eventually I grew out of being a teenager though, and the idea of playing a female character in a game being something to make fun of had disappeared (because I'd spent a lot of that time playing female characters in video games too with none of my friends objecting), and I started picking up a Sisters of Battle army in the late Naughties. (naught meaning zero. Apply that concept to what we call a decade and realize what part of the 21st century I'm referring to) And now they've been my main army for years and if they got squatted it would likely be the end of me playing 40k at all.

The Imperial Navy is responsible for all inter-solar military activity, and all air support and aerospace combat duties.

Except the Space Marines stuff, you mean?

Or the Inquisition's stuff.

Or the Ecclesiarchy's pilgrim-ships.

Or private enterprise ships.

The Imperial Navy is the LARGEST Imperial ship owner, but not the ONLY one. It would not be surprising that the Ecclesiarchy could obtain their own, say... small fleet of light cruisers and escorts for the sake of a crusade, or borrow one from the Navy, for example, plus transports for a planetary landing. In fact, I very much suspect that most senior Ecclesiarchal officials probably have their own private ship, though likely ceremonial and civilian in nature.

And even if they don't, they likely can easily get in to arrangements where they permanently borrow some, because surprise surprise, Imperial starship captains are no less prone to being Emperor-fearing Good Citizens. than any other noble.

 Melissia wrote:
Or the Inquisition's stuff.

Or the Ecclesiarchy's pilgrim-ships.

Or private enterprise ships.

The Imperial Navy is the LARGEST Imperial ship owner, but not the ONLY one. It would not be surprising that the Ecclesiarchy could obtain their own, say... small fleet of light cruisers and escorts for the sake of a crusade, or borrow one from the Navy, for example, plus transports for a planetary landing. In fact, I very much suspect that most senior Ecclesiarchal officials probably have their own private ship, though likely ceremonial and civilian in nature.

And even if they don't, they likely can easily get in to arrangements where tehy permanently borrow some.

I recall some lore about an attack on Fenris that involves a fleet of specifically Ecclesiarchy warships.

 Melissia wrote:
Or the Inquisition's stuff.

Or the Ecclesiarchy's pilgrim-ships.

Or private enterprise ships.

Which is why I said that the Imperial Navy is responsible for inter-solar military action.

Yes, the Inquisition has its Black Ships, but the primary method of an Inquisitor having naval power is to go to a Naval base and say "I am a member of the God-Emperor's Most Holy Ordos, and I am requisitioning this ship and that ship, and their crews, and if you obstruct me I will have you killed."

I'm not actually saying that any new Codex: Adepta Sororitas should be flyer-free (although as far as I know neither the Skitarii or Mechanicus codexes have flyers), just that it should be made very clear that the aircraft are Imperial Navy ones. It would be a good excuse to release, say, a plastic Thunderbolt.

A Sororitas flyer is all well and good - I can see them making it very fancy indeed.

That said, a Sororitas spaceship might be pushing it, if we assume that they are still trying to go under the radar of the decree passive. Not only is it very, well, big, a spaceship also needs a lot of guards and armsmen to keep discipline aboard and defend from boarders, and you'd need all of them to be of a single gender; a considerable hassle and all but unsustainable when out in the field for extended periods.

Of course, I doubt they are really concerned with the decree passive these days and the SoB are more a tradition than anything else (IoM loves traditions), so you might just get a spaceship that way.

I recall an argument in Proposed Rules some time ago over a Sisters flyer; I think there were people on the side of Valkyries or Valkyrie-variants and I'd been tweaking something based on the Stormraven chassis.

I'd rather the Sisters end up with something more space-age and less helicoptery than a Valkyrie if they were going to get their own Flyer; I'm planning on spending some time hacking on a Corvus Blackstar when I get my hands on one, I'll let you know how it goes.


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 Pouncey wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Based on how they handled Grey Knights and the Skitarii (and the Deathwatch, for that matter) I'd expect a single power-armoured Sisters kit (three special and three heavy weapons instead of three special guns and multiple main weapon options for each model) and a separate Seraphim kit, Repentia to remain in Finecast, and a tank kit. Penitent Engines in plastic and a plastic Celestian/command squad kit are less likely.

I actually looked it up on GW's site. Repentia are not in fact Finecast, they are still metal.

Released in Finecast, then. The point is the sculpt probably won't change.


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 Gen.Steiner wrote:
I'm not actually saying that any new Codex: Adepta Sororitas should be flyer-free (although as far as I know neither the Skitarii or Mechanicus codexes have flyers), just that it should be made very clear that the aircraft are Imperial Navy ones. It would be a good excuse to release, say, a plastic Thunderbolt.

I'd gotten a brainstorming document written for an Allied-only Imperial Navy book designed along the lines of the Assassins for stapling one or two Navy flyers to other Imperial detachments where it makes sense, given how they took the Assassins out of the Inquisition books and made them their own thing I'd expect that to be where the plastic Thunderbolt came from rather than in someone else's book.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Imperial-Navy-Avenger-Strike-Fighter

The Avenger Strike Fighter. It's specifically listed as the preferred air support for the Sororitas (though still an Imperial Navy craft), and it's a sick model. I bought one for a Sisters-playing friend.

That said, this is GW we're talking about. Rather than putting a perfectly good pre-existing option into plastic, they'd probably make something that looks like a flying church.

 Ashiraya wrote:
A Sororitas flyer is all well and good - I can see them making it very fancy indeed.

That said, a Sororitas spaceship might be pushing it, if we assume that they are still trying to go under the radar of the decree passive. Not only is it very, well, big, a spaceship also needs a lot of guards and armsmen to keep discipline aboard and defend from boarders, and you'd need all of them to be of a single gender; a considerable hassle and all but unsustainable when out in the field for extended periods.

Of course, I doubt they are really concerned with the decree passive these days and the SoB are more a tradition than anything else (IoM loves traditions), so you might just get a spaceship that way.

There have IIRC been references to Sororitas void warships in the past - being fast and effective.

There is no reason that the crew would need to be all female - it could be done but Priests and other Church officials are male. I would think some frigates and a few Strike Cruisers - similar to the Arbites - who also have their own fleet.

I even did BFG rules for a SOB Frigate and converted one of my many spare ships

Well, Sisters *Can* use Valkyries without breaking Fluff
Inquisition can take 3 Valkyries in one Fast Attack Slot, so you could argue that the required Inquisitor (Ordo Hereticus, Obviously) is a Confessor with an Incinerator and Chainsword

Can't be aboard at the start of the game though.

Have to pick them up in the game.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Of course, I doubt they are really concerned with the decree passive these days

I doubt that very much, given that the Decree Passive is the only reason that the SoB exist at all within universe. I'm sure there are any number of contemporaries and competitors who would like nothing better than to forcibly disarm the Ecclesiarchy, given an appropriate pretext. The abandonment of the Decree Passive would be more than sufficient cause.

The Decree Passive is an existential hook, without which, the Ecclesiarchy ceases to have the means to enforce its will by force.

Where the fluff gets it wrong is having the Ecclesiarchy's Chamber Militant providing more than token support to Imperial Military campaigns for morale purposes. Sisters are inspirational to the actual bulk of fighters a la Joan of Arc, rather than providing that bulk themselves.


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 AnomanderRake wrote:
I'd rather the Sisters end up with something more space-age and less helicoptery than a Valkyrie if they were going to get their own Flyer; I'm planning on spending some time hacking on a Corvus Blackstar when I get my hands on one, I'll let you know how it goes.

OK, I just saw the pics, and that new Corvus Blackstar is a pretty nice mini. I wouldn't mind having one to go with my Valk.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I'm sure there are any number of contemporaries and competitors who would like nothing better than to forcibly disarm the Ecclesiarchy, given an appropriate pretext.

I believe the reason why they can't is more related to the Ecclesiarchy's power and influence than to not finding a pretext. I mean, just a quick reminder, the Ecclesiarchy usually have 2 or more representatives among High Lords of Terra. That's just how powerful they are.

I think as others have said re the practicalities of a sisters release. I can see GW rationalising the range down to one sprue. So it could be that Repentia actually get squatted. And you get regular Sister squads and dominion squads on one sprue, and the Seraphim and a close combat unit branching off on another sprue. Unless they make something that can do double duty with Repentia, maybe death cult assasin?

Indeed. Keep in mind, the Inquisition and the Astartes each only have one, as does the Imperial Guard.

Repentia could be repurposes to also make female Priests.

I can totally see that happening too. However even the Grey Knights have at least two infantry boxes, with the Terminator Armor ones only really useful for Terminators, Paladins and Character conversions while the Strike Squad pulls duty as Interceptors, Purifiers, Purgation squads, etc. the Sisters having two or even three boxes isn't that unreasonable, especially since they can all have multiple purposes without much modification (I could see Seraphims getting their own box and then getting something equivalent to Vanguard Veterans for the sisters).

I can only imagine how awesome the plastic models would be though... Plastic Repentia would be amazeballs! I bet they could pull off the pins in eyes stuff proper nice like