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$5 discount bundles are surprising!

Well in the case DA are needed e-bay the ones you have and with the money you get buy some Mantic Asterians and you'll have enough money left for a trip to Yucatan too!

M.

That spirtseer is an old sculpt right?

my order is in......didn't go for the giant though. Pretty much everything else though lol

8 wounds? Good lord.

"Add more boxes to your cart to build up a bigger core of infantry for your collection." - New Avenger Description.

I bet this means guarduans will still be useless as they have stayed the same price, and avengers will remain the best troop choice. They could make Rangers elites, you know, or a laugh.

haroon wrote:
That spirtseer is an old sculpt right?

Old unit, but I've never seen that sculpt browsing the citadel minis wiki. But I could be wrong, but I hope not due to the $20 I just dropped on it.

 Ovion wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
Honestly I don't know why veteran Eldar players are complaining about the DA price increase.

At this point of time people should have enough DA already and because the meta of 6th Ed is moving to big MC and fliers the best way to reward GW for their excellent new DA box art that obviously adds so much value to our games is to buy exactly 0 new boxes of DA.

New players... I feel their pain but that's what Ebay or Bartertown are for.

M.

It's as much the principle of it as anything though - an 80% price hike on models that are what... 15-20 years old for no apparent reason?

I don't know why I keep finding it so annoying, but people keep on complaining about eldar models being "15-20 years old" when they just aren't.

The Dire Avengers were updated in 2006 with the 4th edition of the codex. They are seven years old. Not fifteen, not twenty. Most of the aspect warriors recieved new sculpts then as well.

WD rumors from 4chan.

"Fire Dragon WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 5 A 1
Fire Dragon Exarch WS 5 BS 5 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 6 A 1

Wargear:
Heavy Aspect Armor (3+)
Fusion Gun
Melta Bombs

Special Rules:
Ancient Doom
Battle Focus
Fleet

- 5 Dragons 110 points

Options
up to 5 more at 22/model
1 Exarch upgrade 10
Exarch may take Dragon's Breath Flamer for free or Firepike 15pts
Exarch may take up to two of the following exarch powers:
Iron Resolve 5pts
Crushing Blow 10pts
Fast Shot 10pts

May use a Wave Serpent as a Dedicated Transport.

So, Fire Dragons pick up a 3+ save, but jumped up in price by 6 points a head."

 Popenfresh wrote:
WD rumors from 4chan.

"Fire Dragon WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 5 A 1
Fire Dragon Exarch WS 5 BS 5 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 6 A 1

Wargear:
Heavy Aspect Armor (3+)
Fusion Gun
Melta Bombs

Special Rules:
Ancient Doom
Battle Focus
Fleet

- 5 Dragons 110 points

Options
up to 5 more at 22/model
1 Exarch upgrade 10
Exarch may take Dragon's Breath Flamer for free or Firepike 15pts
Exarch may take up to two of the following exarch powers:
Iron Resolve 5pts
Crushing Blow 10pts
Fast Shot 10pts

May use a Wave Serpent as a Dedicated Transport.

So, Fire Dragons pick up a 3+ save, but jumped up in price by 6 points a head."

I wonder what other aspects this 3+ may effect. Hopefully those DA that had a price hike

Seriously though, eldar players should have enough of them to where that increase won't effect their wallet. As has been stated above

They might also have increased the range of the Fusion gun like they did the Fusion blaster for Tau. The ability to run and then shoot or shoot then run is pretty big too. Gives them back their 5th edition mobility out of a transport.

Goliath wrote:

 Ovion wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
Honestly I don't know why veteran Eldar players are complaining about the DA price increase.

At this point of time people should have enough DA already and because the meta of 6th Ed is moving to big MC and fliers the best way to reward GW for their excellent new DA box art that obviously adds so much value to our games is to buy exactly 0 new boxes of DA.

New players... I feel their pain but that's what Ebay or Bartertown are for.

M.

It's as much the principle of it as anything though - an 80% price hike on models that are what... 15-20 years old for no apparent reason?

I don't know why I keep finding it so annoying, but people keep on complaining about eldar models being "15-20 years old" when they just aren't.

The Dire Avengers were updated in 2006 with the 4th edition of the codex. They are seven years old. Not fifteen, not twenty. Most of the aspect warriors recieved new sculpts then as well.

My information is incorrect then (though how much of a change was it?)
Point stands though - it's still no changes whatsoever, with effectively the same price for half the models.

I did not see that in the WD....unless they some how gleamed that from the bat rep. If that is so, and we don't have crack shot...that means I have to take crimsons just to stop other fliers.

No pre order for the other supplement, does this mean ibook only or what?.

I have ordered the codex just to have a look at what it is like and the fluff, oh how I love the eldar fluff!.

MarkyMark wrote:
No pre order for the other supplement, does this mean ibook only or what?.

I have ordered the codex just to have a look at what it is like and the fluff, oh how I love the eldar fluff!.

Someone said it'll drop in fifteen days after main codex a few pages back. Hopefully in physical as well.

GTKA666 wrote:
I did not see that in the WD....unless they some how gleamed that from the bat rep. If that is so, and we don't have crack shot...that means I have to take crimsons just to stop other fliers.

My bad, leaked German codex apparently

Wow. Thats a hefty increase in points.

I don't think there's any guarantee that we see similar increases in other aspect warriors, but it is possible.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
And from the description of the limited edition codex there is actually not even different artwork inside. Even the page number is the same.

That's been the case with all of the limited ed codexes. It's just a different cover and a slip case.

For some reason, it strikes me funny that it is the size of the model that they're advertising first and foremost. It's almost like they're trying to one-up themselves. Instead of codex creep, now they have size-creep!



Edit: I know someone has mentioned it before, but is there a feeling that GW is trying to flex their "monstrous miniatures" muscles in the face of Privateer Press' Gargantuans?

God the cc Wraithknight looks ridiculous... holding that sword and little shimmer shield in it's tiny tyranossaurus arms... the balance is completely off for me. Flyers look a bit better in some ways than some of the previous pics, but the nose isn't aligned with the fuselage and engines and it just looks like a badly assembled model for me. Shame, it was close to being awesome...

Farseer is meh... spiritseer not bad but not a fan of the rock-on fingers...

At least the wraithguard look good... and the sniper dude.

Overall though, it is a sin they didn't update any aspects to plastic, introduce anything new, or re-sculpt older characters... and the jetbikes are worst of all.

I was on the fence about this one, but after seeing better pics, pretty firmly in the face-palm camp... compared to the old Goodwin artwork that had such character and style, this is a very big let-down. Jes deserves better!

Huge, and ribbed and studded for your opponent's pleasure...

 Ovion wrote:

Goliath wrote:

 Ovion wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
Honestly I don't know why veteran Eldar players are complaining about the DA price increase.

At this point of time people should have enough DA already and because the meta of 6th Ed is moving to big MC and fliers the best way to reward GW for their excellent new DA box art that obviously adds so much value to our games is to buy exactly 0 new boxes of DA.

New players... I feel their pain but that's what Ebay or Bartertown are for.

M.

It's as much the principle of it as anything though - an 80% price hike on models that are what... 15-20 years old for no apparent reason?

I don't know why I keep finding it so annoying, but people keep on complaining about eldar models being "15-20 years old" when they just aren't.

The Dire Avengers were updated in 2006 with the 4th edition of the codex. They are seven years old. Not fifteen, not twenty. Most of the aspect warriors recieved new sculpts then as well.

My information is incorrect then (though how much of a change was it?)
Point stands though - it's still no changes whatsoever, with effectively the same price for half the models.

It was, I believe a conversion from metal to plastic, and resulted in a sharper sculpt and more extra gubbins. I agree with you fully on the price point though, it's ridiculous, I just keep on seeing people complain about a model being 10-20 years old, when it's less than 8 in most cases, which I'm finding unreasonably annoying at the moment. (Probably exam stress)

So much whining over the DA box set. Seriously, which eldar player runs /doesn't already own more than one squad anyway? The only players getting shafted are new players, and they won't know the difference.

From a cursory browse it seems that Iyanden got the biggest boost with Wraithguard as troops and the Wraithknight, but I don't think either are really competitive as the core issues with Eldar aren't really being addressed.

Kinda disappointed about the Jetbikes and Shining Spears.

 Popenfresh wrote:
WD rumors from 4chan.

"Fire Dragon WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 5 A 1
Fire Dragon Exarch WS 5 BS 5 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 6 A 1

Wargear:
Heavy Aspect Armor (3+)
Fusion Gun
Melta Bombs

Special Rules:
Ancient Doom
Battle Focus
Fleet

- 5 Dragons 110 points

Options
up to 5 more at 22/model
1 Exarch upgrade 10
Exarch may take Dragon's Breath Flamer for free or Firepike 15pts
Exarch may take up to two of the following exarch powers:
Iron Resolve 5pts
Crushing Blow 10pts
Fast Shot 10pts

May use a Wave Serpent as a Dedicated Transport.

So, Fire Dragons pick up a 3+ save, but jumped up in price by 6 points a head."

With run+shoot+run I don't think there would be changes to the fusion gun's range since the effective threat range for the Fire Dragons has gone up already. What I am baffled by is the inclusion again of a close combat power in a squad based around hunting tanks and MC. It diffuses the specialization of the squad as the Fire Dragons would best do their job by not being engaged in CC where such a power would actually be used. If they are not engaged in close combat, then points paid for the power would be wasted. Fuegan at least has a fire axe but a Fire Dragon Exarch has nothing.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So much whining over the DA box set. Seriously, which eldar player runs /doesn't already own more than one squad anyway? The only players getting shafted are new players, and they won't know the difference.

From a cursory browse it seems that Iyanden got the biggest boost with Wraithguard as troops and the Wraithknight, but I don't think either are really competitive as the core issues with Eldar aren't really being addressed.

Kinda disappointed about the Jetbikes and Shining Spears.

Without knowing what exactly is at the new army's disposal, I would venture to say that it would be tough to measure the competitiveness of the new units and their core issues just yet. It would be like judging the new Necron codex with the old Necron's flaws.

Don't know if anybody has noticed but from the GW page it seems that the seer council stats are WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 2 I 5 A 1 Ld 8

Extra rules
Psychic mastery 1
Ancient doom

Wargear
Witchblades

That's all I could make out

The new boxes, no doubt, will be the scapegoat for the upcoming price hike as everything gets re-packaged in their glossy new cardboard.

 puma713 wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So much whining over the DA box set. Seriously, which eldar player runs /doesn't already own more than one squad anyway? The only players getting shafted are new players, and they won't know the difference.

From a cursory browse it seems that Iyanden got the biggest boost with Wraithguard as troops and the Wraithknight, but I don't think either are really competitive as the core issues with Eldar aren't really being addressed.

Kinda disappointed about the Jetbikes and Shining Spears.

Without knowing what exactly is at the new army's disposal, I would venture to say that it would be tough to measure the competitiveness of the new units and their core issues just yet. It would be like judging the new Necron codex with the old Necron's flaws.

You don't have to have a released codex to realise that five close combat Wraithguard at 160 points per squad are a terrible idea. Necrons got a boost through edition meta changes (Fliers, Objectives, AV13 Spam), alongside the codex changes. Although a thirty wraithguard army with Conceal could be quite hard to dislodge...

Love this so far.

Wait, just witchblades, no shuri pistols? Losing that attack would suck.