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Had this one come up in a recent game, I'm wondering how it should have been handled.

Had a 10-wide horde furnace / plaguemonk unit charged by a pair of DE chariots. DE player charged and alinged as such:

C = DE Chariots
P = Plaguemonk
F = Furnace

CC.........CC
CC.........CC
CC.........CC
CC.........CC
PPPFFFPPPP
PPPFFFPPPP
PPPFFFPPPP
PPPFFFPPPP
PPPFFFPPPP
PPPPPPPPPP

Obviously, this was done to avoid being in contact with the furnace. It felt wrong to me but I couldn't find anything in the BRB that prevented it. Legal, Illegal? Relevant text and pages to back up your opinion?

Thanks in advance!!

I'll grab the specifics in a second, but there's a section in the BRB outlining how to charge and step 1 is "Wheel to maximize models in base contact"

If I'm looking at the diagram correctly, there are only 3 plague monks to the left of the furnace. So to maximize, the chariot on that side would have to at least touch the furnace. Without touching it, he brings 3 models into combat. With touching it, he brings 4 into combat.

If you were one file wider, then yes, he would be able to legally charge both chariots in and not contact the furnace.

About halfway through the third paragraph on Page 20, under "Move Chargers":

"...You are free to make this wheel in order to place your unit wherever you like against the facing of the enemy unit that is being charged, but remember that you must bring as many models into base contact with the enemy as possible, from both sides!..."

Page 23, "Multiple Charges on a Unit":

"If several units have declared a charge against a single unit, then roll the charge distance of these units at the same time. The charge moves of the charging units must be made as far as possible to equalize the number of models fighting from each charging unit. Remember, however, that your primary goal is always to maximize the number of models fighting..."


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Generally this means chariots will be centered on two 20mm models, with two to the side of them, for a total of 4 models in base contact. In the diagram at least one of those chariots (the one on the left) had to touch a plague furnace, and depending on where the charges came from, distance, order of resolution, etc, both chariots may have had to enter base contact. It appears the chariot on the right was breaking the rules anyway, by only being in contact with 3 plague monks.

I would like to point out that the DE player corrected one of those chariots to be in contact with the furnace as appropriate; he accidentally overlooked the 50mm base being able to touch four bases on that side.

The other side was perfectly legitimate though!

I would like to point out that the Dark Elf player took two chariots, and should therefore be allowed to ignore the rules forever

Corner to corner is considered to be BtB as well so the Chariot on the right is touching 4 skaven if i read the diagram correctly.

Grey Templar wrote:Corner to corner is considered to be BtB as well so the Chariot on the right is touching 4 skaven if i read the diagram correctly.

It's only if corner-to-corner also means you are maximising. For instance, if the Chariot was on a 40mm base then it could (and must) touch four models corner-to-corner. The 50mm base does the same, but not quite corner-to-corner since there is a little overlap on the sides. In the very initial charge the chariot only touched three models which is not legal.