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Been thinking of trying to add a Hellhound into my current list, but an not sure if it a tactically viable option or if I should get some other unit to fill the void like another Valk or Leman Russ. Regardless, here is an improvised version of my old list with said hellhound.

HQ
CCS
-4x PG
-Astropath

Elites
6 - STs
-2x PG
- Plasma Pistol

6 - STs
-2x PG
- Plasma Pistol

Troops
Vets (in Vendetta)
-3x Melta

Vets (in Vendetta)
-3x Melta

Vets
-3x GL
-Chimera
--Hull HF
--H. Stubber

Vets
-3x GL
-Chimera
--Hull HF
--H. Stubber

Vets
-3x Melta
-Chimera
--Hull HF

Fast Attack

Vendetta
-HB sponsons

Vendetta
-HB sponsons

Hellhound

Overall it comes out to 1497pts. I'd really like to add the hellhound to my list mainly b/c it's lacking any kind of anti-horde and I like the idea of throwing around a flame template. The idea behind the Grenade vets is to pick at the enemy at range with heavy stubber and their small blast template since I think I can use those as defensive weapons if I move the vehicle. I like using my stormtroopers as special unit hunters and for the most part usually earn their points back. Let me know what you think. Is the hellhound a good addition or should I just add another melta-vet squad in a valk with MRPs? And if it isn't a good addition, what would be a good way to add it in?

Take off heavy bolters on the vendetta, there is no reason to have them. So drop them in favor for meltaguns or plasma guns.

Should I just stick them on the gl vets then? Considering that's the only place left to give a better special weapon I suppose so.

Yes, its a waste to have their BS on GL

Exactly don't use launchers melta or plasma is better

I'd only use Gl 's on Vet's if they infiltrated with harker. Works miracioulously well against transports!

really I would say thats too many points for trying to pop a rhino

It is for a rhino, but it could work wonders against getting DE transports and ravagers out of the way before they can even do anything.

I don't think you need to spend the points on the stubbers, but they've never been exactly useful to me.

What is your reason for running 6 stormtroopers instead of the min unit, (or am i just dumb and forgetting that six is the min unit?)

The only reason I run 6 is basically because I want the extra gun and 6 is a nice even number making their squad not too small and yet not too large.


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I mean I could run 2 mini-squads but then I would have 32pts and no idea what to use that on in the current list. I suppose I would probably use it on upgrading the gl-vets to plasma vets.


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Problem is, I don't have that much plasma. Just enough for what I have in the list...

I have found through countless trial and mostly error that guard vehicles do poorly with upgrades (other than whats free) and storm troopers do poorly in anything more than 5 models, they cost as much as a stock marine, with the stats of a 10 point vet with a slightly better gun, so i would drop all vehicular upgrades and the extra stormies in favor of maybe a manticore or something (also, swap the plasmas in one STs for meltas, for one it gives you tactical flexibility, and keeps you from having to buy twice as many spcl weap storm troopers. also: drop a vet sqaud and take another CCS, cheaper with 1 more gun option. (but less bodies)


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also: models firing from transports count as a separate unit (ie, not counting as defensive weapons, so if you move your plasmas can still shoot out of it)

necronsftw wrote:Take off heavy bolters on the vendetta, there is no reason to have them. So drop them in favor for meltaguns or plasma guns.

I actually like the list above as-is with the only exception of the grenade launchers in the vet squads. Dump their chimeras' heavy stubbers and like a plasma pistol or gun from the CCS for points.

I'd keep the heavy bolter sponsons on the vendettas though. It's 20 points to make 2 expensive vehicles have anything to do if hordes come by.

Lascannons don't work on hordes though. Bad weapon synergy. You disappoint me Ailaros

I think what he means is that if I keep the HB sponsons on the vendetta, then at least once it's done toasting MCs and Vehicles it can at least play a minimal role in horde clean up, which was my initial reason for having them. Against a horde 1 LC shots and 6 HB shots are far better than just 3 LC shots I'd say.

Ok lets say you do that lets also say it will take to turn 4-5 to get rid of all armour and monstrous creatures or neutralise them. You've then got heavy bolters you haven't used majority of the game for just to get a couple of shots in later for a turn or two and for that reason I don't think they're worth it on a Vendetta. Now, if we was talking about a Valkyrie that's a entire different story..

Right, what I'm saying is that it's a 10 point insurance policy. I used to take meltabombs on my blobs all the time for exactly this reason.

Against the kinds of armies I bring, for example, there is generally VERY little for a vendetta to do. It's 130 points of waste. Same is true against green tide and to a lesser extent certain tyranid builds. With the heavy bolters, you're spending 140 points, but you're actually giving the chance for the unit to be somewhat useful against certain army types that vendettas will do little against. Not a terrible waste of 10 points at all, especially when it can be difficult to figure out how to spend a few extra points at the end of a mech list.

Plus, the HB's aren't ALWAYS bad synergy either. They help vs. AV10, lower-toughness monstrous creatures like demon princes, and low-toughness good Sv targets like terminators.