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DA Int-Chaplain in TDA weapon options are pretty off. No permission is given to swap out the crozius for anything, yet it's in the list. Also the TH you can gain from swapping out the storm bolter is 25pts, not 15pts.

axisofentropy wrote:
Not yet published, but they're in there, even on vindicators! Why would anyone take a siege shield?

Cause they look cool lol.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
DA Int-Chaplain in TDA weapon options are pretty off. No permission is given to swap out the crozius for anything, yet it's in the list. Also the TH you can gain from swapping out the storm bolter is 25pts, not 15pts.

From the top of my head, doesn't the Melee Weapon list say "change one weapon" as does the relic list?
Crozius qualifies as "one weapon".

 Thairne wrote:

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
DA Int-Chaplain in TDA weapon options are pretty off. No permission is given to swap out the crozius for anything, yet it's in the list. Also the TH you can gain from swapping out the storm bolter is 25pts, not 15pts.

From the top of my head, doesn't the Melee Weapon list say "change one weapon" as does the relic list?
Crozius qualifies as "one weapon".

Even if it works that way (which i don't think it does, or rather is supposed to) the option list is way off. Most things are undercosted by 10-15pts, and the list of what's available is wrong.

Came across an interesting bug today with the Space Marine list.

When trying to build a 2 CAD list with Black Templar chapter tactics, Crusader Squads only come up as an option for one of the CADS, twice! (The other CAD has no option to purchase Crusaders at all)

Single CAD list works fine, though.

SO how does one go about deleting old lists they don't want to keep?

You go the the folder you saved them in and delete the *.rosz file.

So for the War convocation I can get the CM and IK to choose free upgrades, but not the skitarri units to show up for it. This is kind of annoying since Skitarri have the most free upgrades to account for and I would like to show my opponents what wargear they have without modifying the points costs.

Is there some kind of tutorial to learn the basics of modifying Battlescribe data files (I think that's what they're called).
I'd be interested in trying to fix the Dark Eldar - they're not very readable right now, and some of their upgrades don't seem to follow what's written in the codex.

Found a workaround for the bug I found earlier. You have to set the list up as a single CAD, set that CAD to have Black Templars and then add a second CAD through the "Edit Forces" button.

So two things I've noticed in the Eldar Catalogue.
1. All Farseers must either be Farseers or Skyrunner Farseers - catalogue gives an error if you mix.
2. Warlock Conclave charges double for the first Warlock (70/100). Each subsequent Warlock costs normal (35/50).

After the latest update, under all three generic characters in terminator armor, DA still have a ton of incorrect point values and illegal weapon selections. Also the profiles for grav guns and combi gravs is either showing up incorrectly, or not at all.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
After the latest update, under all three generic characters in terminator armor, DA still have a ton of incorrect point values and illegal weapon selections. Also the profiles for grav guns and combi gravs is either showing up incorrectly, or not at all.

And where exactly are those "tons" of incorrect point values and illegal weapon choices? Care to be more specific?
I've looked over it again and all I could find was a wrong TH cost for the left handed version for the Company Master. Everything else is fine.

When creating a Space Marine CAD, Bike Squads won't show up for me at all ( atleast after selecting White Scars CT + Kor'sarro Khan with Moondrakkan. )

Anyone else have the same issue?

I get the same thing Runic. It is not just Kor'sarro either, I don't get them with a normal captain on a bike either.

When adding a warlock conclave to a CAD, it charges double for the first guy. Price is normal when part of the windrider host.

 Thairne wrote:

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
After the latest update, under all three generic characters in terminator armor, DA still have a ton of incorrect point values and illegal weapon selections. Also the profiles for grav guns and combi gravs is either showing up incorrectly, or not at all.

And where exactly are those "tons" of incorrect point values and illegal weapon choices? Care to be more specific?
I've looked over it again and all I could find was a wrong TH cost for the left handed version for the Company Master. Everything else is fine.

No need to get testy, i'm just trying to help. Tons may be an exaggeration, but aside from the company master's left hand thunder hammer, you still have issues with the Int-Chaplain in termi armour. The crozius is not a "power weapon" so you can't swap it out for that list of items under termi armour. If you subscribe to being able to access the melee weapons list while wearing termi armour (I don't think it's intended, but I can see the raw justification), the points values and what's available is still off:

Chainfist: N/A
Lightning Claw: +10 points
Powerfist: +15 points
Storm Shield: N/A
Thunder Hammer: +15 points

In addition, the weapon options for all non-termi armour characters are a bit off. The left hand/right hand options should be identical aside from things like the crozius and force weapons.

Relic Blades are showing up as Honor Blades when you View Roster.

As mentioned before grav guns/combi-grav profiles are messed up.

Renegades and Heretics

For Imperial Armour 13
and Imperial Armour 5 2nd Edition

Elites
Renegade Disciples may only take 5 extra disciples (not 10 extra like the command squad gets)

Way better, that's some info I can work with!

 Maelstrom808 wrote:

No need to get testy, i'm just trying to help. Tons may be an exaggeration, but aside from the company master's left hand thunder hammer, you still have issues with the Int-Chaplain in termi armour. The crozius is not a "power weapon" so you can't swap it out for that list of items under termi armour.

RAW you're right. HOWEVER:
- the description even states it having an "crackling energy field"
- it has the same (even slightly better) stats than a power maul
- a Int Chap in PA can trade his Crozius in for anything, therefore it is not far fetched that a Int Chap in TDA could trade it in for something too.
- our dev guidelines tell us to give options in such cases instead of being overly restrictive
- I actually think the only reason the Crozius is not listed as a power weapon is its sole availability to chaplains and therefore it was just omitted without thinking of the consequences.
That's why I gave the option to swap out the crozius. If you disagree, just do not

 Maelstrom808 wrote:

If you subscribe to being able to access the melee weapons list while wearing termi armour (I don't think it's intended, but I can see the raw justification), the points values and what's available is still off:

Chainfist: N/A
Lightning Claw: +10 points
Powerfist: +15 points
Storm Shield: N/A
Thunder Hammer: +15 points

I'm not in that park. Fluff, Sprues and general logic speak against this. Also, why would one pay more points than you would from Terminator Weapons list? Trading a Crozius is the more sensible option.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:

In addition, the weapon options for all non-termi armour characters are a bit off. The left hand/right hand options should be identical aside from things like the crozius and force weapons.

I'll take a look once I have my codex in hand.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:

Relic Blades are showing up as Honor Blades when you View Roster.

I'll fix that. Should be out with the next release.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:

As mentioned before grav guns/combi-grav profiles are messed up.

Well, I think at this point we can leave it at I disagree with the justification, but I can understand leaving the option open for those that read it differently than I. If we are leaving options like that open, I would strongly recommend adding the other bike mounted HQs to the ravenwing strike force then. Currently only Sammy is available, and of all the RAW vs RAI issues with the DA book, that one is probably the most common entry where RAW is thrown out in favor of interpreted RAI.

In the chaos space marines codex you have the lord's attacks correctly listed as 3, but when he is given a juggernaut as a mount, it bumps his attacks down to 2. I do not believe this is correct.

DA V17 looks pretty good. Power armour weapon options are solid, relic blade profile fixed. Combi-grav profiles look good but grav guns still are not showing up. I like the points automatically being removed for transports in a lion's blade rather than having to click an option.

Guess I should update my data, then!

Sorry if this has been asked or fixed, I haven't had time to read the entire thread.

Is it possible to select different formations such the battle demi-company or Ravenwing Support squadron in the Dark Angels codex? I've seen the option for the Ravenwing Strike Force and Deathwing Strike Force, but not for the others.

Also, will it be possible to take other bike-mounted HQ units in the Ravenwing Strike Force or will we need to wait for GW to FAQ this for the modification? (Most people are allowing other bike-mounted characters to be taken even though RAW does not allow, the intention was clearly there).

Select the formations detachment. It has all the formations aside from the lion's blade and strike forces. Should be the third option in the list.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
Well, I think at this point we can leave it at I disagree with the justification, but I can understand leaving the option open for those that read it differently than I. If we are leaving options like that open, I would strongly recommend adding the other bike mounted HQs to the ravenwing strike force then. Currently only Sammy is available, and of all the RAW vs RAI issues with the DA book, that one is probably the most common entry where RAW is thrown out in favor of interpreted RAI.

Good point.
I actually open a totally new can of worms if I go that RAI route... I'll think about it a bit more. Probably trading the Crozius will fall off the shelves, lest I create a dangerous precedent.


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 Maelstrom808 wrote:
DA V17 looks pretty good. Power armour weapon options are solid, relic blade profile fixed. Combi-grav profiles look good but grav guns still are not showing up. I like the points automatically being removed for transports in a lion's blade rather than having to click an option.

Thank you

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
Select the formations detachment. It has all the formations aside from the lion's blade and strike forces. Should be the third option in the list.

Thanks!

Also just noticed the weapon options for the vet squad is off. It looks like itmay be a carry over from the previous dex. It is only taking into account swapping out the boltgun, when you can swap both the boltgun and bolt pistol for items on either the ranged or melee weapon list. Also there are special weapons on the main list that shouldn't be there, especially since they have their own section (which also has issues where it's allowing 3 special weapons when it should be 1 per 5 marines). Heavy weapons are missing the grav cannon w/ grav amp and the flak option for the missile launcher.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
Also just noticed the weapon options for the vet squad is off. It looks like itmay be a carry over from the previous dex. It is only taking into account swapping out the boltgun, when you can swap both the boltgun and bolt pistol for items on either the ranged or melee weapon list. Also there are special weapons on the main list that shouldn't be there, especially since they have their own section (which also has issues where it's allowing 3 special weapons when it should be 1 per 5 marines). Heavy weapons are missing the grav cannon w/ grav amp and the flak option for the missile launcher.

Oh boy. Veterans are always such a pain in the Gork to build... THey basically are, equipmentwise, an IC each. And that is the only way I found to reliably model them, although it is grating me to do that. Unlike Command Squads, the option to add more vets really makes it difficult.
Anyway, I think it is as good as it gets now... With one exception: For every selection of a special weapon and heavy weapon one would have to remove a weapon from one of the vets, be it bolt pistol or bolt gun. No way that I'm aware of to build that correctly.
Complex little buggers...

 Thairne wrote:

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
Also just noticed the weapon options for the vet squad is off. It looks like itmay be a carry over from the previous dex. It is only taking into account swapping out the boltgun, when you can swap both the boltgun and bolt pistol for items on either the ranged or melee weapon list. Also there are special weapons on the main list that shouldn't be there, especially since they have their own section (which also has issues where it's allowing 3 special weapons when it should be 1 per 5 marines). Heavy weapons are missing the grav cannon w/ grav amp and the flak option for the missile launcher.

Oh boy. Veterans are always such a pain in the Gork to build... THey basically are, equipmentwise, an IC each. And that is the only way I found to reliably model them, although it is grating me to do that. Unlike Command Squads, the option to add more vets really makes it difficult.
Anyway, I think it is as good as it gets now... With one exception: For every selection of a special weapon and heavy weapon one would have to remove a weapon from one of the vets, be it bolt pistol or bolt gun. No way that I'm aware of to build that correctly.
Complex little buggers...

Heh, I understand. It's the same reason I quit building my own battlescribe files. With my OCD nature, it drove me flying rodent gak crazy trying to build for units like that.