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Herzlos wrote:
Because the ethos of GW was (when I started back in the 90's) "Do whatever you think looks cool". Why should my IG look like the codex IG? Why do I need to field bobbleheaded Rambos? Why can't my Sentinels look more like those Star Wars walkers they are a clone of? Why can't I field ewoks as ratlings?

I'm happy to play people who model other stuff as proxies, kitbashes and scratchbuilds as long as those proxies are believable, identifiable, and the right size, with recognizable weapons

Herzlos wrote:
You certainly collect more than I do, but I take it you prefer things to be in discrete collections i.e. a Dreamforge shelf, a PP shelf, etc, rather than in categories like a sci-fi shelf and a fantasy shelf?

Yup! That's exactly what I do. I like the discrete collections, and finishing a faction/collection to a satisfactory level gives me great happiness! Until tomorrow, when I realize it would be so much better with [fill in the blank].

Herzlos wrote:
I don't understand why this matters. Can't you just mix and match or do you need to stick to specific companies? I tend to buy the stuff I like as I encounter it regardless of who it's from (my to-do box has stuff from probably 20 manufacturers).

I get that GW's release rate dwarves most individual companies, but it's dwarfed by the sum of all other companies. I literally cannot keep up with the new releases coming out of the hobby and my to-buy list is growing faster than I can spend my money.

See, for my primary obsession, I like to be able to add on whenever I want to (which is often). I love working on something else because it's cool, but I don't like to be forced to do something else, because there's nothing left to work on. Plus, I actually do game (about 20 hrs a month -- a couple of really long nights ), and 40k is the game we play. Most of my buddies don't model anything other than 40k and WMH.

 Talys wrote:

Without worrying about the 40k universe, please tell me which company produces SciFi kits that would let me do that kind of kitbashing, using accumulated plastic parts that aren't specifically meant for that purpose but that are numerous and flexible enough that I can express what is in my mind's eye using premade components.

Dreamforge Games, Mantic, Wargames Factory, (AnvilIndustries, PuppetWars, etc if not plastic only)

And for GW, this only really works with Space Marines.

Mantic?

The only bashing in that scenario would be your head and the nearest wall.

Besides the point that you're ignoring every other name he mentioned, DoJ, how many mantic kits have you bought?

The Division Of Joy wrote:
Mantic?

The only bashing in that scenario would be your head and the nearest wall.

And you said?

The Division Of Joy wrote:
When a conversation is degenerating into a last-word competition, it's probably at an end.....

@Talys when i mean more skill i mean more skill, Dreamforge apc and leviathan have more moving and even screws, i don't think i have seen a gw kit witch needed screws

I have..

Far too much deadzone, A shed load of Enforcers and some plague. I had Marauders as well, but got rid.

4 dreadball teams (Vermynn, Judwan, Nameless, Martians)

And over $200 Dollars worth of Kings Hold coming.

And have had hands on with the hard plastic Enforcers, which are better than the restic I have.


Why would I mention any other companies when I don't have the minis? Unlike some on this forum, I don't have an axe to grind, simply commentary on the models and companies I have bought from.

From my experience with Mantic, they produce models that are poorly made to fit multiple poses. They do not lend themselves well to kitbashing thanks to the model poses and sprue placement.

If you tried, it would end up frustrating you to the point you would want to bash your head against the wall.

Have I explained enough?

Worth noting, I have had these experiences, and yet have thrown hundreds of pounds at them on a kickstarter. I like them as a company, I want them to do well. Hell, the DKH minis look ace single pose minis.


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 Jehan-reznor wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:
Mantic?

The only bashing in that scenario would be your head and the nearest wall.

And you said?

The Division Of Joy wrote:
When a conversation is degenerating into a last-word competition, it's probably at an end.....

@Talys when i mean more skill i mean more skill, Dreamforge apc and leviathan have more moving and even screws, i don't think i have seen a gw kit witch needed screws

How is my comment a last word competition? understand if english isn't your first language and i've taken the tone of your message wrong

No it is not but comments like that are also degenerating the thread

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
No it is not but comments like that are also degenerating the thread

Hardly. This thread is about GW price increases, we are now so far off topic, that I don't know whats going on. Someone mentioned a company that would provide a comparable kitbashing experience to GW. I gave it the response it deserved.

The progression of the thread has been largely logical, the discussion is still, essentially, about the comparative values of various manufacturers vs GW and people's preferences thereof.

Ok, it isn't specifically about the price of paint or tools, but I can still see the original topic from where I'm stood.

The Division Of Joy wrote:
Mantic?

The only bashing in that scenario would be your head and the nearest wall.

Or using GW Bits if Mantic don't have enough
http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Hobbykeller-Mantic-Peacekeeper-Terminator-Bits-Umbauten-17.jpg

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

@Talys when i mean more skill i mean more skill, Dreamforge apc and leviathan have more moving and even screws, i don't think i have seen a gw kit witch needed screws

I have... the old Bloodthirster and the old Swarm Tyrant (both metal) would definitely need screws for propper assembly and to avoid wings-arms-heads falling off all the time. Too bad they didn't have any.

I dunno if 'designed to require screws' and 'could use screws 'cos they keep falling apart' are quite the same thing.

So...

Does the WD have anything other than just pictures of the new kits? Say, a dataslate for Assault Marines or a hint for the next couple weeks?

 Vermis wrote:
I dunno if 'designed to require screws' and 'could use screws 'cos they keep falling apart' are quite the same thing.

This. I have a DFG leviathan and the screws are largely there so that you can pose the model in any dynamic position that you like. Compare that to a GW Knight where you have to have a dremel, saw and numerous other tools and such to even produce the semblance of mobility; it can be done but only if you're willing to spend countless hours working on it.

 Vermis wrote:
I dunno if 'designed to require screws' and 'could use screws 'cos they keep falling apart' are quite the same thing.

Eh, close enough...
- GW design team

Considering those models were made in the mid 90s I think we can let that one slide..

To be fair, the old metal Khador 'jacks for WARMACHINE had bad fits as well.

Big kits, in metal, are prone to warping.

The Auld Grump

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
To be fair, the old metal Khador 'jacks for WARMACHINE had bad fits as well.

Big kits, in metal, are prone to warping.

The Auld Grump

Big kits, in metal, are also prone to falling apart when knocked over :( And falling over at the slightest bump of the table. There's nothing I hated more about wargaming than big, metal kits. For modelling, it was fine (if a lot of work) but to actually transport and play a large size, non-square vehicle or complex creature (like a dragon) as a nightmare.

Talys, you forgot "looking at them wrong". That's the biggest cause of metal models collapsing into dust.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Talys, you forgot "looking at them wrong". That's the biggest cause of metal models collapsing into dust.

hahahaha yeah

Or sitting in the display case wrong >.< I had a dragon that I a zillion pins in sitting in a display case, and the head fell off, I swear because a raccoon walked across the back yard 50 feet away. I never even played with the damn thing, lol.

 Talys wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
To be fair, the old metal Khador 'jacks for WARMACHINE had bad fits as well.

Big kits, in metal, are prone to warping.

The Auld Grump

Big kits, in metal, are also prone to falling apart when knocked over :( And falling over at the slightest bump of the table. There's nothing I hated more about wargaming than big, metal kits. For modelling, it was fine (if a lot of work) but to actually transport and play a large size, non-square vehicle or complex creature (like a dragon) as a nightmare.

I'm a firm believer that the generation of age 30+ modellers now are far better at modelling, and have far more patience, than the younger generation simple because of the trial/ordeal of putting together those old fantasy dragons.

 Pacific wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
To be fair, the old metal Khador 'jacks for WARMACHINE had bad fits as well.

Big kits, in metal, are prone to warping.

The Auld Grump

Big kits, in metal, are also prone to falling apart when knocked over :( And falling over at the slightest bump of the table. There's nothing I hated more about wargaming than big, metal kits. For modelling, it was fine (if a lot of work) but to actually transport and play a large size, non-square vehicle or complex creature (like a dragon) as a nightmare.

I'm a firm believer that the generation of age 30+ modellers now are far better at modelling, and have far more patience, than the younger generation simple because of the trial/ordeal of putting together those old fantasy dragons.

I get annoyed building some plastic kits so yeah that generation probably does haha.

All this talk of big metal miniatures reminds me of my old old Dark Eldar Talos.


RIP about ten thousand of those little plastic flight stands. They just couldn't support the weight.

On the topic of actual price increases the new C:SM assault marine kit is now $41 USD.

Somehow making it a dollar more than the damn Vanguard Vets.... How does that math work?

 SickSix wrote:
On the topic of actual price increases the new C:SM assault marine kit is now $41 USD.

Somehow making it a dollar more than the damn Vanguard Vets.... How does that math work?

Something something bitz something something best toy soldiers in the world

 RatBot wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
On the topic of actual price increases the new C:SM assault marine kit is now $41 USD.

Somehow making it a dollar more than the damn Vanguard Vets.... How does that math work?

Something something bitz something something best toy soldiers in the world

Of course what it really means is that there will be an $8 price increase on the Vanguard Vets! (and probably all other kits LOL). $60 ancient terminators anyone??

 Talys wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
To be fair, the old metal Khador 'jacks for WARMACHINE had bad fits as well.

Big kits, in metal, are prone to warping.

The Auld Grump

Big kits, in metal, are also prone to falling apart when knocked over :( And falling over at the slightest bump of the table. There's nothing I hated more about wargaming than big, metal kits. For modelling, it was fine (if a lot of work) but to actually transport and play a large size, non-square vehicle or complex creature (like a dragon) as a nightmare.

So much this.

Dropping a mortis pattern dreadnought and watching the parts spread out like a goddam exploded diagram will stay with me forever.

 Pacific wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
To be fair, the old metal Khador 'jacks for WARMACHINE had bad fits as well.

Big kits, in metal, are prone to warping.

The Auld Grump

Big kits, in metal, are also prone to falling apart when knocked over :( And falling over at the slightest bump of the table. There's nothing I hated more about wargaming than big, metal kits. For modelling, it was fine (if a lot of work) but to actually transport and play a large size, non-square vehicle or complex creature (like a dragon) as a nightmare.

I'm a firm believer that the generation of age 30+ modellers now are far better at modelling, and have far more patience, than the younger generation simple because of the trial/ordeal of putting together those old fantasy dragons.

That's like saying "vietnam veterans are much less prone to be annoyed by bad weather since they were stuck kneed deep in mud for weeks while constant rain poured down on them". It may be the case, but people may argue that's simply not worth it.

GW raising prices on the paints really sucks for me. I love the paints but with them raising prices its gonna be hard for someone in my position to keep buying them. When youre basically poor because of a fixed income and have little to spend it makes staying in this hobby extremely hard. I have to save every month and cut out things I would normally buy just to get a model or a pot or two of paint. At this rate I will never have what i need to play a game. Guess I got into this at the wrong time....

 honeybadger33 wrote:
Guess I got into this at the wrong time....

You got into gaming at the right time, in fact it's never been better in terms of price, range and availability. GW, on the other hand, you've missed by at least a decade.

If you're on a budget and need paint's, have a look at the Vallejo or Coat D'Arms paint. Same quality, cheaper, bigger bottles.