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2014/07/04 06:30:08
Subject: Warning to the Community: Defiance Games rip off
Wonderful summary, and well-written to boot. I did not know Tony had any previous association with WGF.
Thanks!
There's alot more to the story, including one of my favorite indie companies "Proxie Models" being denied payment for product received until a huge internet backlash forced Defiance to return the product. If you're interested in further info, a google search for "Defiance games Tony Reidy" and "Wargames Factory Tony Reidy" will give you more than you'll want. It's interesting to watch the anger at WGF in early 2011 turn into disappointment and frustration with WGF by the end of 2012 and early 2013. I even stumbled across some messages where I expressed disappointment with WGF.
Interesting, I hadn't heard that. While I wasn't rooting for him, I did think that WGF had stolen the company, I also thought that Tony was dumb enough to let it happen.
Instead, Tony proves his dishonesty, and WGF becomes a well respected manufacturer.
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In the meantime, the original creative team has all come together and we are shortly to be launching full ranges of hard plastic miniatures under our new company – Defiance Games.
We’ll let the quality and release schedule speak for us going forward.
Thanks everyone – and I’m sorry again to have all this nonsense “out there”
All the best,
Tony
Tony Reidy
Defiance Games
2014/07/07 05:59:27
Subject: Warning to the Community: Defiance Games rip off
Well, when I order from WGF I get my product. It is very well packaged, the casting is pretty dang good and the mini's hit the right mix of cost and detail for historical gaming.
When people order from Defiance .......need I expand?
2014 will be the year of zero GW purchases. Kneadite instead of GS, no paints or models. 2014 will be the year I finally make the move to military models and away from miniature games.
2014/07/07 18:21:09
Subject: Warning to the Community: Defiance Games rip off
Oh, what a trip down memory lane. I was there when it happened
Nice to be reminded who was still sucking Tony's at that point and who saw right through him (Antenocities!)
Yeah,
Thanks for posting that. think i recall reading the same thing on TMP and seeing similar disucssions there. As you point out, it's very interesting (and something I didn't remember reading) was seeing how well Antenocities saw what was happening.
The whole thing was a mess. I had been pretty active on Wargames Factory's forum especially regarding their Liberty and Union customer developed products. By the time Tony was ejected I had left, disappointed by the slow pace and missed deadlines. However, under the new management, I was pleasantly surprised to see how (relatively) quickly quite a few of the most popular products that I recalled from my days on the forum were released under the new management. Zombies, Orcs, WSS, Survivors, WW2 Germans etc., many of these were products suggested by WGF customers.
Oh, what a trip down memory lane. I was there when it happened
Nice to be reminded who was still sucking Tony's at that point and who saw right through him (Antenocities!)
I can't exalt that enough....
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2014/07/18 01:44:07
Subject: Re:Warning to the Community: Defiance Games rip off
LOL. If I'm reading that right they are going to make the models available on Shapeways so that people can buy them a second time if they already paid for them through the Kickstarter...
Paulson Games parts are now at:
www.RedDogMinis.com
2014/11/14 19:06:44
Subject: Warning to the Community: Defiance Games rip off
lol. So you can get the digital file and print it yourself or print, at cost, through shapeways. Only $5000 in equipment and sundries which begs the question of where all the other money went...
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2014/11/14 19:10:30
Subject: Re:Warning to the Community: Defiance Games rip off
paulson games wrote: If my source is correct, (and I have very little reason to doubt him) it all went to strippers, booze and a new car. Literally.
Hey, if you're going to go out, go out like a boss!
Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do
2014/11/14 19:23:46
Subject: Warning to the Community: Defiance Games rip off
I had been in communication with the concept artist that made the hardsuit in order to obtain the rights to produce a model for it, but Defiance snagged it.
Well, at least the file will be out there. What are the odds the file will hit TPB?
I guess the other good thing about this is that gamers can have the model printed in different scales so 15mm gamers can also have them.
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What prompted this? Did one of the backers pursue legal action in Massachusetts, or is that just where Defiance is located?
Transcribed for folks:
Mazonson Law Office, P.C.
R.OUNRU.ORS AT LAW'
November 12, 2014
Via Fax to 617-727-3265 & First Class Mail
Nicholas Synowiec
Deputy Director - PIAC
Commonwealth of Massachusetts
Office of the Attorney General
One Ashburton Place
Boston, MA 02108
Re: Defiance Games, LLC Consumer Complaints
Dear Mr. Synowiec;
As you are aware, my office represents Anthony M. Reidy and Defiance Games,
LLC with respect to ongoing insolvency proceedings as regards Anthony M. Reidy,
personally, soon to be filed insolvency proceedings as regards Defiance Games, LLC,
and the winding down of the affairs of such corporate entity.
Pursuant to our various discussions as regards consumer complaints lodged with
your office. Defiance Games, LLC would like to take this opportunity to accept your
invitation to engage in mediation, insofar as it makes the offer of restitution found below.
As we have discussed, neither Bankruptcy should yield assets for distribution to
unsecured creditors as the entirety of any corporate assets consist mainly of a small
quantity of raw materials and a spin casting machine valued at less than $5,000.00. As
such, the company and Mr. Reidy make the offer found below as an effort at resolving
this matter amicably, while hoping to communicate the understanding that this is, indeed,
the entirety of what is available to be offered.
Defiance Games, LLC, by and through its principal, Anthony M. Reidy, hereby
offers to any "kickstarter" sponsor who did not receive the products associated with their
pledge as follows;
Defiance Games will provide 3D print-ready files to sponsors meeting the
eligibility criteria above. These files will be made available both via
Shapeways.com and also through direct download, allowing sponsors the option
to print with an alternative service or other home-based printing option of their
choice. For Shapeways printing, the files will be offered at Shapeways cost - i.e.
with no additional charges or profit margin added to the pricing. If backers
choose to print via other options they will have full control over the files to print
for personal use. Files and prints may not be resold or made available to the
general public outside of the "kickstarter" sponsor group.
Defiance Games, LLC will further make available to sponsors meeting the
eligibility criteria above the STL files for the "UAMC Hardsuits" set along with
the "German Mech" set. Finally, the STL files for the "UAMC JRAB" vehicle
and "Hudson's Bugs" will also be made available for production. These items
were not part of the "kickstarter," but are being offered as a good-faith offer of
additional restitutiGn. Defiance Games, LLC regrets that it cannot do more, but
hopes this olive branch will be well-received by its customer base to which the
Company is eternally grateful.
Please transmit the foregoing offer to any aggrieved parties and feel free to
contact me with any questions or concerns.
I appreciate your time and attention to this matter.
Very truly yours,
Evan P. Lowney, Esq.
(508) 689-4753 (direct)
Cc: Anthony M. Reidy
That's insane but completely unsurprising, of course, given everything that was known about Defiance before, during, and after the Kickstarter.
2014/11/14 20:25:33
Subject: Warning to the Community: Defiance Games rip off
Everyone who backed this....well, you deserved to lose money on it. I mean good god, it was Reidy! Youd have had more luck of tossing some lead in the air during a thunderstorm and having it hit by lightning and turn to gold than have good old Tony fulfill this. Count yourself lucky you even have a slight chance of getting anything, even if it is a terrible deal and another one of Tony's slaps in the face to the community.
Pete Melvin wrote: Everyone who backed this....well, you deserved to lose money on it. I mean good god, it was Reidy! Youd have had more luck of tossing some lead in the air during a thunderstorm and having it hit by lightning and turn to gold than have good old Tony fulfill this. Count yourself lucky you even have a slight chance of getting anything, even if it is a terrible deal and another one of Tony's slaps in the face to the community.
But it seemed like such a great deal! And EggSuitedDropTroopers! And they said it was different and that Tony wasn't in charge!
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
2014/11/14 20:33:53
Subject: Warning to the Community: Defiance Games rip off
Despite the fubar nature of this project, having the 3D files made available (ostensibly only to backers, but I think some may be willing to share after all they've been through) could end up being quite cool... doesn't help those who actually paid money for physical sculpts, though.
2014/11/14 21:58:13
Subject: Warning to the Community: Defiance Games rip off
I pledged $25 just for the entertainment value, and I'm not sorry. The Torn Armor scam, on the other hand, pisses me off.
Now, wasn't there some fine gentleman on this board looking to unlad a box of Hudson's Bugs? How much did he want for them, again? I think I'll go for them when I get some holiday cash.
at that point and who saw right through him (Antenocities!)
but completely unsurprising, of course, given everything that was known about Defiance before, during, and after the Kickstarter.
