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Oh, that's weird. ^^

And I take it they aren't too expensive. I mean there's companies out there making crushed barrels already, so I imagine that Zinge would be competitive against those. Personally I'd just crush up some plastic ones, but I suppose ZInge's give a better effect. Zinge's stuff is a little expensive for what I'd use it for though, so I prefer just buying things on the cheap. I mean if I'm going to take a hammer to it I'd rather not have dropped a load of cash.

 Wyrmalla wrote:
I'd love if someone made the magazine dispensers and Mojave Express Drop Boxes from New Vegas too (hint hint).

Hmm... what... My hobby-sense just tingled...

Good work Wyrmalla. Like the corner shop and the posters in particular.

And here's me thinking I was being dead sly when I typed that. ^^

Though ah, perhaps I shant be needing quite so many this time around. *blatant lies.

You never know when they might come in handy...

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Deviantart mostly (search Fallout posters/ retro posters/etc). The ones on the fences are from the games themselves though (the Cat's Paw one's taken from the original games) which I stripped from their texture files when I had them installed. The "Chinese American Food" one's from Bioshock though I think. I just printed them out on a regular sheet of paper and glued them on no trouble.

Hey if anyone's wanting any of those posters I can see about sticking them in a google doc or something.

Yeah, I would print some along with some 40k esque posters.

You make such beautiful junk! I really like those corrugated fences.

I'll be painting stuff later, but for the moment I've created a dropbox with posters related to the Fallout games in it.

Currently its sitting with 532 images that I think are relevant to the setting (Ok with the odd retro Super Mario image in there as well). Just send me a PM if you want the link.

I've added an example file for aid in scaling too (see below) - there's a third page that has the ever present Elvis Impersonator which I use for scale on it.



Great, now I just need to convert the remaining 652 images that I'm sitting on.

Oh, and its not just sci fi stuff. There's 206 images from the WWII period (ish it goes into the 50s) there too.

*Edit: I also have folders with other images like graffiti which I could upload as well. However in their case I'm not sure if people would have so much use for them. I mean with the posters all you need to do is cut out a rectangular square of paper, but with the graffiti that would be a bit more difficult unless you were printing on transparent paper. Whatever, it doesn't take much effort to upload those either. =P


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I'm restructuring my dropbox folder, so the existing link which I've provided people with no longer works. Sorry about that. PM me for the updated one.

I've also added more images beyond just posters now. So if anyone happens to be interested I've pretty much just dumped what I have on my drive there (which sadly isn't as much as I'd like given that I lost a chunk to corruption a while back). Now there's images of shacks, vehicles, vaults, graffiti, people, and well loads of crap (um... some of which is taken from folks here, purely as reference material mind. Nae claims to ownership, just knicking ideas ^^).

Such mini posters will help make the buildings feel more "lived in" before a war hit.

American Mailboxes are all blue though From the time period, they would all be blue and have U.S. MAIL stamped on them rather than POST. Some of the really old ones had a red top, but were predominantly blue.

The original models were a sky blue actually. I just accidentally used an ink which was too think then went out for a few hours (the rust was only along the edges originally). The ones in the game read "Letters" across the front, though I couldn't be bothered turning my computer on to find this is out, so just painting on "Post" from that half remembered detail.

Just nitpicking in fun they look fantastic, actually.

I've added in fifty book covers as well now. Hmn, now I suppose I should look up a tutorial on how to make 28mm scale books. Those shelves that I made could do with filling...

I'm also considering making billboards at some point. dsteingass made one (I think), though I guess that they're really just a big rectangle of plasticard with a few trimmings and lights.

Oh and cool for the interest in all those pictures. If people want me to create sheets like the example one it doesn't take much. I suppose that could be easier for people than cherry picking from hundreds of images. Hmn, so I suppose a generic sheet of all sorts of images, a propaganda specific one, an advertisement one, and well whatever else seems relevant (pin-ups? Damn I still have loads of those to upload...)

Now I need to head out and pester a charity lady for not giving me a job. ...I'll finish up the nukes come sundown.

For the books that I used on my little "Rippers playing 40k" dio' (I suppose I can call it a diorama. It was just a silly thing I did between models), I printed off the book covers and then glued them round a rectangle of suitably thick card. Simple, but did the job.

and damn those charity ladies, they're so selfish...

The Billboards take a bit of work, but are worth the effort

What are the pieces involved with those? They look doable, though I'm wondering about a few bits on the second one. The lamps at the front; those are just twisted wire, but what did you use for the shades? Those plates at the front as well, any source for those? I could just use another type of textured plasticard, but I've been looking for one with that pattern. Oh, and are the pictures mounted on wood or did you just tat up the edges to resemble it?

Do you have images of the rear of those (well just the second one. Don't want you prying that thing off the side of that building).

Eugh... setting out yet another project. I'll be still working on this lot come Fallout 7: New Atlanta.

Edit: And the lady in the charity shop apparently hasn't worked there for three weeks, so all the paper work I sent in's buggered off somewhere. Great.

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Most of these have been sitting about my painting table for a few weeks now. I've not had the time lately to paint anything, but I felt I should hash something out to post.

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An Enclave Trooper in Combat Armour (I have another lot in more advanced looking sets) that I was using to test out a paint scheme. Secrets of the Third Reich mini I guess.

Enclave troops in combat armor!! How come! by the time of this game with the presence of Caesar's Legion and NCR colonial gambit in New Vegas. in FNV. only a handful of elderity and one young man identified themselves as Enclave member is present as a band of bitter old timers (and quite welcoming the Courier). not an army of vigorious Waffen SS - style youth. also by the time of FNV. I don't think they will be immune to Curling FEV any longer. should Mariposa base reactvated on the behest of NCR and should NCR troops throw FEV grenades at them, they die along with NCR troops too!

How do these vehicles run in the world where gasoline and diesel fuels were all but gone? 200 YEARS after the WW3!!

Oh the Enclave aye? Well I intend to use them as Remnants sure (not all the remnants settled around New Vegas, and mind I'm setting my games a decade before during the initial Nevada/Utah campaign), however I'm adding in Enclave forces for the benefit for people who don't know much about the series. I mean the Enclave have a cool aesthetic which sets them against the more post-apocalyptic factions I have, but for people who've only played the third game they won't have a clue what's going on. By building up an Enclave force I can play games at my club and still have people kind of knowing what's going on (not many guys there are such huge Fallout buffs as me ^^).

So... The Enclave force which I am building is set around the period of Fallout 2, perhaps during the NCR-Brotherhood/Enclave war. The NCR was in its infancy, but still a presence, as could I use most of the other factions I have. The Enclave wasn't made up entirely of Power Armoured Troopers either. In Fallout 2 there's plenty of combat armoured troopers wandering around Navarro. Of course I also have models set aside for Enclave civilians, stealth units, mech suits and the like, but none of that's been painted yet.

The use of Weird War German models is based on Bethesda's Fallout 3 concept art actually. There's a few notes by the artist to go for a style which reference that, rather than the American GIs which the regular US army were based on.

But yes, the Enclave being around in the 2270's as a real force is a little silly. I disliked their appearance in Fallout 3, and am all for Van Buren's/New Vegas' representation of them as a shadow of themselves (or like one of the Fallout 2 endings said, "Parent's would scare their children to bed with talk of Presidents"... or something like that).

Ah, and F.E.V. The Enclave were (apparently) immune to it due to them residing within the sealed confines of the Oil Rig, outside the realms of the virus. Perhaps the Enclave would still have remained immune to its effect by the 2270's if they'd still been around. I mean if what's stopping the virus is remaining in a sealed environment like a Vault, the Enclave wearing enclosed suits all the time and operating out of bunkers could have protected them from it. Or not, who knows, it'd be up to the guy writing the story to decide that kind of thing. Ie the Enclave release their "cure" only to find out that they had been effected by F.E.V. the whole time through minute doses of it. Meh, the whole F.E.V. cure plot of the second game was a bit silly to me, then again most of the game's plots are dumb. The Enclave, being an extension of hardline elements of the pre-war government, did look into following the work of West Tek in creating American super soldiers through F.E.V. Perhaps one of the long term goals of the organisation (other than youknow terraforming mars and other crazy crap) could have been to alter its population into Captain America style beings (like the former US government had planned in its deluded ideals) via a refined version of F.E.V. ...Much like the Master planed.

On vehicles: they're cool, who cares? Nah, I need to give an explanation. =P

Well one, to paraphrase what Bethesda said with Fallout 3, "realistically DC would be a flat plane after all those nukes, but that wouldn't be fun for the players to explore". There are working vehicles in the Fallout world. In the originals the Master's Army road on cobbled together trucks powered by steam, and the player could repair a Highwayman (not allowed within town limits by the locals for fear of it blowing up. Yokels). By the time of New Vegas the NCR's rangers have access to vehicles, as is a mechanized cavalry division listed as part of their army (plus an airborne wing as well, including Vertibirds provided by the Shi).

Now mind that the vehicles before the war weren't powered by gasoline. No, as far as canon goes for that period that only vehicle which I can recall running on liquid fuel are the Enclave's Vertibirds. Rather they ran on electrical micro fusion engines (according to the original games, another joke pointing out that the war really wasn't over oil) and nuclear fission in Bethesda's. Why am I using vehicles from periods in our history which do happen to run on gasoline? Why because they're what's to hand when I go to my flgs. That and because Tactics used them, but nobody cares about tactics.

In a post war world I'd imagine that such large powers like the NCR could manufacture enough fuel to run some vehicles. Not necessarily from oil wells, but bio fuels perhaps. That or they've converted pre-electrical vehicles to have micro fusion engines. Who knows, I can make up some sort of explanation which sounds plausible on the spot.

Also on my use of real world vehicles. Other than them being widely available I'm working from the premise that they're not all pre-war. Sure the US keeps thousands of vehicles in mouth balled yards in the real world, but its my thinking that simple to manufacture vehicles like the Sherman could be built in post-war workshops. The NCR has the ruined factories of the remains of the East Coast of North America available, surely they would be capable of putting some of those back into working order.

I can go on...

Meh, as long as there's a plausible sounding reasoning behind what I'm doing I'm fine with it. I mean other than rule of cool. The games themselves have dumb plot elements all over the place and a lot of Atomic era "For Science" deux ex machina. So if there's something in here which contradicts the games (not necessarily Fallout 3 mind, I'm not holding its canon at the same level as the originals or New Vegas) I'm fine with that if it upholds the theme of the Fallout world.

For the base structures of both billboards, they are just .040 Plasticard over a frame of (I think) N scale Plastruct beams.

The smaller, Nuka Break billboard is not permanently fixed to the building yet, just blu-tacked, but it's nothing special.

I just glued squares of plasticard together so I would get that rough edged paneled look so the glue-soaked paper would settle in the cracks. It also helps the weathering process and inks and washes settle in them.
The walkway is just more Plastruct beams (Z scale I think- expensive little bastards) and squares of diamond plate plasticard. I think (but don't really remember) that the lamp cones are from a 1/35 streetlight sprue or something similar. You could put any kind of lamps on there really.

Eugh, tell me about the price of plasitcard. =(

I avoid the stuff in packets like those beams. For sheets I can pick them up for a fraction of the price from arts and crafts suppliers. Evidently the manufacturers of plasticard take us for mugs (and well I suppose I still buy the stuff anyway, so I probably am).

I'll have a look for lamps, though perhaps I'll get away with making them out of flat discs. Thanks for those shots, I'dve never know that the board was made up of multiple smaller pieces.

...As for that ladder though. Damn. Is that a model train ladder or did you make it yourself? The cage looks hellish to make.

No....That too is Plastruct O scale stuff..It's not my fault a train/hobby shop opened REALLY close to my house It's easy to hide the costs by only buying a few packs at a time in the spirit of stocking your workshop over time The Ladder and safety cage are sold together in 2 foot long packages, so one will go a long way. I too buy my regular plasticars in bulk from www.iplasticsupply.com, but I always need to buy the embossed and textured sheets in the small, overpriced size.

Hmn, youknow I think I seen such a ladder with cage at my own model train shop a few days ago. I'm just feeling forever hesitant over spending too much cash on terrain though. I mean with the actual soldiers, etc, its a given that they'll go for about £3 each or more. With terrain though I just think "hey I could build that out of a cardboard box and some empty egg cartons for five pence!".

What I would pay for is for some sort of goblinoid creature to sit in my room just painting all of this crap though. Now I know I can rent out an orcish brute to paint things at a premium price, but goblins do the same job for a pittance, and all that fecal matter is a wonderful stand in for weathering powder.

Awesome stuff as always wyrmalla, have you ever thought of converting Frank Horrigan from FO2?

Do you pre-damage the posters before soaking them in glue solution? Or is all the chipping and weathering done after you've pasted them on? Also, what kind of paper are you using to print out the billboard-posters-to-be?

@ sierra 1247

Horrigan? Hmn, I didn't think of making him actually. Youknow I could, but it'd involve a lot of greenstuff. I actually have a model handy which I think could work as a base for him. I was going to use it for the Enclave anyway, but it just could work. I have about a dozen power armoured soldiers, and twice their number in combat armour troops for the Enclave, along with specialist units. ...Once they're done perhaps they could do with a leader.





*picture taken on top of my bed next to this computer as I type this. Oh anyone know the source for this model? Secrets of the Third Reich I assume.
*Edit. That's a 40mm base btw. Elvis measure up to about his waste.

@Warboss_Waaazag

I had no idea what I was doing when I made those posters. The paper I used was standard, cheap as hell, printing paper. I cut out a few chips around the edges and made the odd hole, though didn't go overboard. As for weather I just applied a quick, thin layer of GW black, brown and yellow ink to the edges (which brought out the glue underneath giving the impression of weathering). I applied a little bit of black paint around any tears in the paper too. That was all done after I'd glued the posters to the corrugated walls. I only put a little bit of glue around the edges of the posters and in the middle instead of coating the whole of the back like one would do with a real full sized poster.

Oh, and the lack of ink in my printer wasn't a problem. It faded the colours a little, but I suppose that was for the best. =)

 Wyrmalla wrote:


What I would pay for is for some sort of goblinoid creature to sit in my room just painting all of this crap though. Now I know I can rent out an orcish brute to paint things at a premium price, but goblins do the same job for a pittance, and all that fecal matter is a wonderful stand in for weathering powder.

You need a house elf like in Harry Potter, just feed him socks

I always use standard printer paper. It works well. You're going to wet it and shrink it a bit with glue and weathering anyways.

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Oh the Enclave aye? Well I intend to use them as Remnants sure (not all the remnants settled around New Vegas, and mind I'm setting my games a decade before during the initial Nevada/Utah campaign), however I'm adding in Enclave forces for the benefit for people who don't know much about the series. I mean the Enclave have a cool aesthetic which sets them against the more post-apocalyptic factions I have, but for people who've only played the third game they won't have a clue what's going on. By building up an Enclave force I can play games at my club and still have people kind of knowing what's going on (not many guys there are such huge Fallout buffs as me ^^).

So... The Enclave force which I am building is set around the period of Fallout 2, perhaps during the NCR-Brotherhood/Enclave war. The NCR was in its infancy, but still a presence, as could I use most of the other factions I have. The Enclave wasn't made up entirely of Power Armoured Troopers either. In Fallout 2 there's plenty of combat armoured troopers wandering around Navarro. Of course I also have models set aside for Enclave civilians, stealth units, mech suits and the like, but none of that's been painted yet.

The use of Weird War German models is based on Bethesda's Fallout 3 concept art actually. There's a few notes by the artist to go for a style which reference that, rather than the American GIs which the regular US army were based on.

But yes, the Enclave being around in the 2270's as a real force is a little silly. I disliked their appearance in Fallout 3, and am all for Van Buren's/New Vegas' representation of them as a shadow of themselves (or like one of the Fallout 2 endings said, "Parent's would scare their children to bed with talk of Presidents"... or something like that).

Ah, and F.E.V. The Enclave were (apparently) immune to it due to them residing within the sealed confines of the Oil Rig, outside the realms of the virus. Perhaps the Enclave would still have remained immune to its effect by the 2270's if they'd still been around. I mean if what's stopping the virus is remaining in a sealed environment like a Vault, the Enclave wearing enclosed suits all the time and operating out of bunkers could have protected them from it. Or not, who knows, it'd be up to the guy writing the story to decide that kind of thing. Ie the Enclave release their "cure" only to find out that they had been effected by F.E.V. the whole time through minute doses of it. Meh, the whole F.E.V. cure plot of the second game was a bit silly to me, then again most of the game's plots are dumb. The Enclave, being an extension of hardline elements of the pre-war government, did look into following the work of West Tek in creating American super soldiers through F.E.V. Perhaps one of the long term goals of the organisation (other than youknow terraforming mars and other crazy crap) could have been to alter its population into Captain America style beings (like the former US government had planned in its deluded ideals) via a refined version of F.E.V. ...Much like the Master planed.

On vehicles: they're cool, who cares? Nah, I need to give an explanation. =P

Well one, to paraphrase what Bethesda said with Fallout 3, "realistically DC would be a flat plane after all those nukes, but that wouldn't be fun for the players to explore". There are working vehicles in the Fallout world. In the originals the Master's Army road on cobbled together trucks powered by steam, and the player could repair a Highwayman (not allowed within town limits by the locals for fear of it blowing up. Yokels). By the time of New Vegas the NCR's rangers have access to vehicles, as is a mechanized cavalry division listed as part of their army (plus an airborne wing as well, including Vertibirds provided by the Shi).

Now mind that the vehicles before the war weren't powered by gasoline. No, as far as canon goes for that period that only vehicle which I can recall running on liquid fuel are the Enclave's Vertibirds. Rather they ran on electrical micro fusion engines (according to the original games, another joke pointing out that the war really wasn't over oil) and nuclear fission in Bethesda's. Why am I using vehicles from periods in our history which do happen to run on gasoline? Why because they're what's to hand when I go to my flgs. That and because Tactics used them, but nobody cares about tactics.

In a post war world I'd imagine that such large powers like the NCR could manufacture enough fuel to run some vehicles. Not necessarily from oil wells, but bio fuels perhaps. That or they've converted pre-electrical vehicles to have micro fusion engines. Who knows, I can make up some sort of explanation which sounds plausible on the spot.

Also on my use of real world vehicles. Other than them being widely available I'm working from the premise that they're not all pre-war. Sure the US keeps thousands of vehicles in mouth balled yards in the real world, but its my thinking that simple to manufacture vehicles like the Sherman could be built in post-war workshops. The NCR has the ruined factories of the remains of the East Coast of North America available, surely they would be capable of putting some of those back into working order.

I can go on...

Meh, as long as there's a plausible sounding reasoning behind what I'm doing I'm fine with it. I mean other than rule of cool. The games themselves have dumb plot elements all over the place and a lot of Atomic era "For Science" deux ex machina. So if there's something in here which contradicts the games (not necessarily Fallout 3 mind, I'm not holding its canon at the same level as the originals or New Vegas) I'm fine with that if it upholds the theme of the Fallout world.

The story arc of FO2. it doesn't explain how Caesar's Legion came to exists! How come did a breakaway NCR citizen named Edward Sallow mustered The Legion when the NCR is at war with the Enclave? did he really seen the war scene where NCR fought the Enclave? is he really 'pro-Enclave'? because in FNV. he villifies the NCR and its 'pre-war' cultures. but he didn't give any remarks about the Enclave nor praising them except that IF players recurited the Enclave Remnants to fight for the Legion and helped them in the endgame quest (And player did a successful brain surgery on Caesar). Caesar will issue orders for his men not to pursure The Enclave Vertibird.

On scenario thing. What will be your choices of Streamlined trains to show up?
1. EMD F-Unit / E-Unit (or its clones created by competitors like Alco FPAs)
2. ATSF El Capitan or Super Chief
2. Southern Pacific Krausse Maffei imported Diesel hydraulics
3. Southern Pacific Daylights
4. CB&Q Zephyr
5. Union Pacific turbines.
6. PRR GG1 (appeared in a wrecked form in Fallout Tactics, likely to be converted to nuclear powered engine since there's no electrified lines in the scenario that has it.)

EMD F-Unit for sure!

Caesar's Legion was formed from the tribes and communities of the Mid West. The man who would be known as Caesar was sent there as a missionary originally. He, along with a Mormon translator and another Followers missionary became close to a particular tribe. However that tribe was at war with several others and close to defeat. After the death of the other missionary Caesar and Joshua Graham had a talk. They decided that for the tribe to survive they would need to forgo their own pacifist ways and reform it. The campaign was long, but eventually the original tribe had defeated all the others and absorbed their surviving members. Caesar, as the missionary was now calling himself, decided that the only way for humanity to truly flourish in the new world was for it to give up on the failing of the old. He and his Legion conquered the peoples of the Mid West (not all tribals). The NCR, the nation of his birth, exemplified all of the failings which he considered to be the route of humanities downfall. His war with them became an obsession. Not just because they were his largest obstacle in reforming the post war united states and their would be population to control. No, it became, to him at least, a war over beliefs. To him the NCR was weak, its government corrupt without the harshness of Legion rules, and its people unsafe (his own parents were murdered in the Angel's Boneyard, an area which was supposed to be safe).

That all happened after the war with the Enclave. The setting of Fallout: New Vegas takes place at the end of the Vegas campaign. The NCR had people across the damn in Utah for decades before the 2280s. It was only come the 2270s that they were capable of moving into the region with a significant military force (originally they intended to annex it diplomatically, but after the stalemate went on for years Kimball would take the presidency and, in his typical heavy handed manner, increase the number of troops in the region dramatically- to the expense other campaigns in Mexico and to the north). Edward Sallow was born in 2226. The Enclave were destroyed in 2242. He would have been sixteen at that time. In 2246 he was sent by the Followers of the Apocalypse to study tribal cultures. In the following year he is captured by the Blackfoot tribe. After proving himself he would become their leader, and based on some texts he found the previous year, name himself Caesar. By 2250 he had conquered all of the Blackfoot's enemies. By 2255 they had become such a force in the region as to establish a capital in Arizona. In 2275 Ulysses discovers Hoover Dam, and reports the NCR has control of it. Upon hearing this Caesar uproots almost the entire Legion from his captured territories and sends them West to wage war upon those he has grown to hate. In the same year the Legion are defeated by the NCR, and the war for New Vegas begins its stalemate.

...So no, Caesar didn't like the Enclave one bit. The NCR may have seemed weak to him with its ideals of democracy and liberty, but the Enclave would have been an entirely different story. I mean the NCR were just inheriting those ideas (though the pre-war United States wasn't too fond on the whole liberty thing), the Enclave were the people who are perceived to be one of the reasons for the war. Sure Caesar doesn't tell his troops to attack the Remnants if you chose to ally them with him. What profit would it have given him to make himself an enemy of a bunch of folks who couldn't care less for his would be empire? If you go that route and have the Remnants fight the NCR, the Remnants are only caring about making one last dig against their old enemy. Caesar would have glory enough in crossing his Rubicon and taking Vegas (the second step after the fall of Fort Aradesh in Utah) that him ordering the death of some anonymous allies wouldn't have gained him much. The Remnants survived in a hostile nation for decades, I would think that they would consider themselves capable of living out their last years in another one.

Train? I've been looking at railway lines when popping into a model train shop recently. If I can find the tracks cheap enough at a show I may pick some up for terrain. Heh, but what particular models would I use for the locomotives? Anything that I can place my hands on really. I'm not inclined towards sleek modern trains, but if I can see something suitable to the period going cheap enough I'll buy it. Model trains in a scale compatible for 28mm are expensive, so I'm really not wanting to spend tons of cash on a terrain piece. I'd love some, but they have to be bought second hand on the cheap for me to entertain buying them. I'm fine with spending a bit of cash on actual gaming models, but with terrain I dislike forking out too much. Oh I will spend £20 or so on a single piece of scenery if it really peaks my interest, but there's just so many other things that I could be buying with that money. I mean for £20 I can buy a dozen sheets of thick A4 plasticard and use that to make a pile of shacks that'll take up half a board.

But ah yeah. I'd like whatever trains resemble the ones from the games the most (I'm not train buff, I have no clue about model numbers or manufacturers). Will I be able to find any of those which don't cost £30 each? ...Probably not. =/

As for scenarios involving trains I've considered a few. One, the generic "there's some loot in one of those cars!". Two, "the Pre-war US government was shipping some top secret items/power armour/ammunition on one of these trains. Let's spend a game searching each of the cars as we fight each other then make off with the loot!". Three, "there's loot in one of these. Oh no actually it was really a train filled with a hidden US moving lab! Oh no, and the scientists have turned into ghouls that're swarming out of the cars".

I'd actually be interest in creating a scenario (perhaps not playing it, but maybe writing it) involving the Iron Lines tribe. They're Nomadic tribals living up north who use the disused railway lines to travel. It'd be a cool scenario where you'd have the Iron Lines moving along a train track with their caravan of hand carts and motorised ramshackle trains(perhaps they have members on foot too and brahmins, etc too ) slowly. Then out comes the 80's Tribe, well feared in the region, riding dirt bikes and driving the odd technical/dune buggy. The tribes duke it out as the Iron Lines work fast to make an old Anti Aircraft gun they have loaded on the back of one of their train cars ready. The light 80's vehicles would be torn up by the AA gun, but until then the Iron Lines would only have cobbled together pipe rifles, bows and spears to fend off their enemies. Of course the 80s may only have to make away with some stolen loot, not actually kill all of the Iron Lines. The game would be considered a win for the 80s should they steal a certain number of loot tokens.

Ack, whatever. Okay onto my own little updates. Nae painting was done tonight. I had a game planned, but my opponent cancelled. Instead of painting lately I've been putting together that dropbox, and recently am now planning to sell off a load of models. Sorting out what to sell's been a hassle, but I made a decent amount today. If its not all gone by May 10th I'll be renting out a stall at a wargaming show and seeing what I can punt there. Only after all that will I see about posting it online, first within the DCM section here and Bazaar over at lead adventure, then into the general sales section. I'd rather not have to deal with shipping, so I'd like to sell as much of it as I can face to face (even if I am selling it at a cut rate). I can't be knacked with dealing with disreputable buyers, so I'd like to avoid selling any of this on ebay as much as possible (hopefully someone with a few thousand posts to their name on a forum has enough reputation not to try and screw me like some Ebay users try). Ah, so that's what I've been doing, and that's why I've not posted any models in a few days.

1. Iron Lines tribe. do they exists in FO universe? about their weapons. it is the shame that none of official Fallout games has any form of archery weapons (except in FO3 where player can craft venom 'gun' which it is actually a rubber band crossbow, but it is the only crossbow in an entire universe). If they exists do they use horse drawn trains to travel?

So it means that they occupy portions of first Transcontinental rail lines? And which portion of the line do they occupy?
A. Union Pacific portions.
B. Southern Pacific (Originally Central Pacific) portions. (in real life the entire company was bought off by the UP in 1996)
2. IS there any backstory behinds the reasons NCR regulars got 1920s era sun helmets as a part of regular gear? in F2 they wear 'Cadian' combat armor (actually a considerably high versions but with NCR grows in size so did its armed forces, All i known is that combat armor set is made with similar materials as real life Kevlar armor.... which the materials were made of petroleum distillate, the postwar world is the world without raw petroleum to mine so creating the combat armor is a big hard story, yet it is VERY possible to substitute these complex polymers with simple steel and even in FO2. NCR citizens have successfully restored steel industry and able to acquire iron ore through mining. yet none of 'steel' combat armor seems to exists.) yet sun helmets don't seem to be any protective against anything other than hot sun and noxy rains of the postwar America.
On breastplate thing. is it leather or steel.??
3. Did the NCR successfully annexxed an entire Utah? in 'Honest Heart' DLC. there are mormons tribal villages by the Zion canyon and no sign of NCR is there. nor the Legion itself. only the White Legs and its quests to join the Legion (and player's quest to prevent it... without Caesar knowing what's going on there).
And what did the NCR do with the Mormons communities? do they regard these religious people?
4. How big NCR is in 2288? did Arroyo (Vault 13 descents) join it or remain independent?? If there's a campaign to the north it means that NCR is trying to take an entire Oregon (Klamath joined the NCR by the end of FO2) but had to postprone it due to the higher priorities of Mojave campaign, What makes Las Vegas being so important to them, Imprtant enough to invest so much efforts in military manpower? Is it Hoover dam (rebuilt by the time of FO3, but how!) they are after? Is it the city itself? or vast spaces around it? or do they after pre-war loots??