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Whenever I get Zombicide stuff I drool over how well-executed they are. They are great miniatures and hold a lot of detail, especially considering the sheer number of them that you get and that they are basically just board game pieces.

Maybe I'm abnormal or something...

I just drool, period.

Not sure if it has anything to do with games or not.

Possibly as a response to bells and food.

The sheer quantity of figures most board games come with is what keeps me from ever attempting to paint them.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I just drool, period.

Not sure if it has anything to do with games or not.

Possibly as a response to bells and food.

The sheer quantity of figures most board games come with is what keeps me from ever attempting to paint them.

That's gonna be me and Super Dungeon Explore...

And probably Conan when it shows up.

~iPaint

 cincydooley wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
You can make all the excuses you want about zombifying and put up all the concealing paint you want. All you are doing is proving that the Zcide minis need paint to look good, as I wrote at the top of the page:

You said they weren't paint friendly. I fairly emphatically evidenced that you're wrong.

The sculpts themselves are not impressive, and none of your posts change that. If the Zc models were really good, we'd have been drooling over how well-executed they were, and begging for minis-only pledges in Zcide.

I have no interest in a minis-only pledge for Blood Rage. And honestly, I think it's wonderful that they won't be doing any kind of minis only pledge.

And Zombicide seems to have plenty of "minis only" boxes for sale that sell quite well.

Are you incapable of reading? I said (and I re-quote):

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Zombicide is a mixed bag of sculpts that requires paint to look good

What part of that was so unclear that you were incapable of comprehending it twice before?

You can think whatever you want, although it is exceptionally petty and spiteful not to want the creator to capture additional revenue, nor for potential backers to get what they want.
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 -iPaint- wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I just drool, period.

Not sure if it has anything to do with games or not.

Possibly as a response to bells and food.

The sheer quantity of figures most board games come with is what keeps me from ever attempting to paint them.

That's gonna be me and Super Dungeon Explore...

And probably Conan when it shows up.

~iPaint

I have ridiculous amounts of stuff inbound over the next several months, starting with SDE and continuing through to Conan. For me, the challenge will be playing.

The BR monsters are inspiring. As minis go, using the Conan or SDE dice for combat resolution could make for quite a fine little skirmish battle game, Mordheim in a box.

And art book...there's another $25 pledged!

~iPaint

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
They are unimpressively mediocre sculpts, in a material that isn't particularly paint friendly. Yes, there is detail, but you're not going to convince anybody that it holds a candle to the BR Monsters.

See above. Not a single problem with my reading comprehension. Unless my understanding of "isn't particularly paint friendly" differs that greatly from the common definition of those words, all linked together, in a single phrase.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:

What part of that was so unclear that you were incapable of comprehending it twice before?

You can think whatever you want, although it is exceptionally petty and spiteful not to want the creator to capture additional revenue, nor for potential backers to get what they want.

I think it's exceptionally entitled and tone deaf to expect that the creator should deviate from their intended product vision (see: BOARDGAME) to capture a small fraction of potential backers who think any project creator should cater to their every demand, regardless of the product and delivery scope explosion it would cause.

Do people feel that $25 (~£17) + shipping for a fairly heavy item is a good price for a 50-page artbook though? That's one of the lowest page-counts I've ever seen listed for a hardback that wasn't a £5 novelty jokebook! The art is truly wonderful, I'm just not seeing the value compared to conventional artbooks with up to 4 times the content for the same price on Amazon. For reference, they sold a similar $20 book for Xenoshyft (including dog tags for some reason), and it came out very pretty and chunky:

$25 seems on the high side to me, but it could be a "Adrian Smith" premium.

I don't really buy art books though, so I'm not the intended target for it.

 cincydooley wrote:
$25 seems on the high side to me, but it could be a "Adrian Smith" premium.

I don't really buy art books though, so I'm not the intended target for it.

Yeah, not really an art book guy here either.

But whatever, people wanted it and it seems to be bringing in decent coin.

 cincydooley wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
They are unimpressively mediocre sculpts, in a material that isn't particularly paint friendly. Yes, there is detail, but you're not going to convince anybody that it holds a candle to the BR Monsters.

See above. Not a single problem with my reading comprehension. Unless my understanding of "isn't particularly paint friendly" differs that greatly from the common definition of those words, all linked together, in a single phrase.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:

What part of that was so unclear that you were incapable of comprehending it twice before?

You can think whatever you want, although it is exceptionally petty and spiteful not to want the creator to capture additional revenue, nor for potential backers to get what they want.

I think it's exceptionally entitled and tone deaf to expect that the creator should deviate from their intended product vision (see: BOARDGAME) to capture a small fraction of potential backers who think any project creator should cater to their every demand, regardless of the product and delivery scope explosion it would cause.

Zc minis are made in bendy, soft plastic. It's not a preferred material. Just because one can paint it, doesn't mean it's a good material choice for pure painting.

And yet, they just did an art book? How is that part of the board game vision?

Lots of people wanted an art book, so they're making one. It doesn't need to be part of "the vision", does it?

If they're giving people what they want, that's great.

I'm just in it for the minis, I love the art too but I don't need a book that I'll look through once and then stick on my shelf forevermore. It's likely just 1 print run and they are probably anticipating a small number of books, like maybe 500 copies, so that would also drive up the unit price a lot. With printing, stuff only gets cheap when you get tons of copies made.

Maybe anyone who wants a 'minis only' pledge could go ask for one over on the actual Kickstarter on the comments page?

Or message the creators directly though the Kickstarter page?

At this point, that would definitely have a better chance of getting the results you're after vs. endlessly 'debating' it here.

Thanks!

 Alpharius wrote:
Maybe anyone who wants a 'minis only' pledge could go ask for one over on the actual Kickstarter on the comments page?

Or message the creators directly though the Kickstarter page?

At this point, that would definitely have a better chance of getting the results you're after vs. endlessly 'debating' it here.

Thanks!

It's been asked.

Several times.

Answer is still "no".

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
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And yet, they just did an art book? How is that part of the board game vision?

They've done Art Books for previous board games (Xenoshyft, Rivet Wars) and this game has a well known, sought after artist on it. An art book fits in with that.

Separating out game components to sell individually does not.

Though, to be fair, FFG does have minis only versions of the Imperial Assault and Descent boxed games.

 Alex C wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Maybe anyone who wants a 'minis only' pledge could go ask for one over on the actual Kickstarter on the comments page?

Or message the creators directly though the Kickstarter page?

At this point, that would definitely have a better chance of getting the results you're after vs. endlessly 'debating' it here.

Thanks!

It's been asked.

Several times.

Answer is still "no".

OK - great!

Keep asking there though, and not here, in this thread.

I insist.

Thanks!

 Alpharius wrote:


OK - great!

Keep asking there though, and not here, in this thread.

I insist.

Thanks!

Are you still braving the KS Comments Section Cesspool?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:


OK - great!

Keep asking there though, and not here, in this thread.

I insist.

Thanks!

Are you still braving the KS Comments Section Cesspool?

I've seen him dip his toe in there.

I've got my waders on. I find it darkly humerous in there.

 cincydooley wrote:


Though, to be fair, FFG does have minis only versions of the Imperial Assault and Descent boxed games.

Where can you get these? I would be tempted to get the Imperial Assault minis.

Hi

But for the add-ons ( 5th player exp and the book) yuo need to expect the kickstarter campain end , and use the plege manager?

saluti

 cincydooley wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
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And yet, they just did an art book? How is that part of the board game vision?

They've done Art Books for previous board games (Xenoshyft, Rivet Wars) and this game has a well known, sought after artist on it. An art book fits in with that.

Separating out game components to sell individually does not.

Though, to be fair, FFG does have minis only versions of the Imperial Assault and Descent boxed games.

They do? Where? I'd love to buy the minis without subsidizing the cards or chits. For ethical reasons, of course.

Darth Visari wrote:
Hi

But for the add-ons ( 5th player exp and the book) yuo need to expect the kickstarter campain end , and use the plege manager?

saluti

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but I'm going to give it the old college try with this response:

You can pretty much add whatever you'd like in a CMoN pledge manager.


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


They do? Where? I'd love to buy the minis without subsidizing the cards or chits. For ethical reasons, of course.

I was being facetious. They're selling a board game. If you want the minis, you get the board game with it and pay for the board game materials as well.

Much like Blood Rage.

Not to me they're not.

I'll just wait for it to Sedition Wars and buy the box after it becomes evident no one actually is playing the board game.

Thanks for the sarcasm, though. With cheerleading like that, I probably won't have to wait as long.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Not to me they're not.

Regardless of what YOU think, they're selling a board game.

As such, as they've stated multiple times, you won't see a minis-only pledge.

Nor will you see the game on closeout like Sedition Wars.

If I could pledge just to get the artbook I would.

I don't really play games anymore, most of my free time is spent sculpting.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


Thanks for the sarcasm, though. With cheerleading like that, I probably won't have to wait as long.

No problem.

Any time I can explain to other gamers that they're not entitled to something in the exact manner in which they want it, I'm happy to oblige.

 cincydooley wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


Thanks for the sarcasm, though. With cheerleading like that, I probably won't have to wait as long.

No problem.

Any time I can explain to other gamers that they're not entitled to something in the exact manner in which they want it, I'm happy to oblige.

Dude, reread the thread. I was on your side until you threw out the FFG bull. You seem to think you are entitled to a kickstarter thread without criticism or wish listing. Maybe you should give yourself a dose of your own medicine.


Now, without sarcasm, is there or is there not a way to pledge for a physical art book without buying a whole BoardGame?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


Thanks for the sarcasm, though. With cheerleading like that, I probably won't have to wait as long.

No problem.

Any time I can explain to other gamers that they're not entitled to something in the exact manner in which they want it, I'm happy to oblige.

Dude, reread the thread. I was on your side until you threw out the FFG bull. You seem to think you are entitled to a kickstarter thread without criticism or wish listing. Maybe you should give yourself a dose of your own medicine.

I think criticism and wishlisting are great things. I think continually bitching about them not offering a minis only pledge when that's not what they're marketing, and then refusing to acknowledge that they're marketing a boardgame, is spoiled and entitled and indicative of a lot of the things I dislike about our niche. And please be clear I'm not referring to you in this regard.

Now, without sarcasm, is there or is there not a way to pledge for a physical art book without buying a whole BoardGame?

I'm sure you could ask CMoN if they'd be willing to allow you do to a $1 pledge so you could throw that on. Additionally, I know there are multiple people that would be willing to add an art book to their pledge or anyone, myself included. Because it's a book, shipping would be dirt cheap, too.

Asking about miniature only pledge options is only ever sensible with boardgame projects. Actual miniature game projects have no need for that, because they either offer separate rules, or have minimal additional non miniature content in boxed pledges.