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I'd think snap-fit with no glue and one paint more might've been better for the bike kits. That way you could have some awesome painting competitions, because white, black and colour X can make some great monochrome models and this would have TWO colours

I like the idea very much in general. My GW/minis addiction started when my mom brought home a small GW mag from a comic store (actually I have no idea what she was doing there). It had GorkaMorka/speedfreak Orks on the cover. This is in part why -if they're really cheap- I'd buy several of those trukks and finally build some Gorkamorka gangs. Bikes are actually okay-ish price wise already, especially if you're a SM player and get 3 bikes from DV for ten euros or so.

Warhams-77 wrote:
These boxes are currently for the US market only.

Say it ain't so! Any savings these offer are unlikely to be big enough to warrant paying shipping, VAT and tariffs. Real shame.

I wonder what the reasoning behind this might be?

Maybe they see the US market as the best place to test the waters with a pilot run of these sets?

Or they feel their UK coverage to attract new players is being done by their high street stores?

(I wouldn't be surprised if they come to Europe soon too before the UK)

Just give it time, the adverts on the toy fair had US$, EUR and GBP prices (see the linked imgur gallery under spoiler, hopefully all pics are still there). And this is meant to get released in different places than GW and Hobby stores. Maybe even excluding them? We dont know yet.


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Ah,I get it now (and thanks for correcting my poor memory) You're saying that the compared to numbers is what they left out. Cool.

Yes, sorry it was late and I was half-asleep , failed at finding better words. Some of us were wondering how they would re-release the AOBR content a few pages earlier. The missing models could give a hint which sprues they included. It could be one each of these





But this sprue must have been recut - only one Deffkopta and no Terminators, according to the content shown in the video and the starter set photo (29 miniatures)



They did not work on the quality I guess but the sprue layout does not look to be the same.

Gorkamorka..... there's a name I've not heard for a long time.


Are the rules available online somewhere (only if it's legal to say, as it's long been OOP and potentially not an issue to share?) - genuine question that isn't supporting illegal activity, so please don't jump on me (unless you're attractive, then go for it)

Gorkamorka is such a cool old game, made even more playable with the modern Ork range than it was originally. Yoofs are about the hardest part to get models for, though you could use 2nd edition orks off ebay, maybe.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Just give it time, the adverts on the toy fair had US$, EUR and GBP prices (see the linked imgur gallery under spoiler, hopefully all pics are still there). And this is meant to get released in different places than GW and Hobby stores. Maybe even excluding them? We dont know yet.


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 privateer4hire wrote:


Ah,I get it now (and thanks for correcting my poor memory) You're saying that the compared to numbers is what they left out. Cool.

Yes, sorry it was late and I was half-asleep , failed at finding better words. Some of us were wondering how they would re-release the AOBR content a few pages earlier. The missing models could give a hint which sprues they included. It could be one each of these

Spoiler:

But this sprue must have been recut - only one Deffkopta and no Terminators, according to the content shown in the video and the starter set photo (29 miniatures)

Spoiler:

They did not work on the quality I guess but the sprue layout does not look to be the same.

I bet the remainder of Ork Boyz are from the box of pushfit boyz they had.
From that line that also had a box of 3 Space Marines and another with 5 Cadians.


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This one.
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Ork-Boyz-4-models

Ah yes, good find!

I dont know about the main rules but this community site has basicly every WD article and other GM content as PDF

http://gorkamorka.co.uk/

Warhams-77 wrote:

These boxes are currently for the US market only.

so, could this be what the GW100 thing was about then...? somehow?
I think that was only shared by US stores, right?
countdown to when this is released, maybe? big promotional event to tie in with it maybe?

I dont think so. These boxes are as far as we know not for GW stores. Also GW does not show products so early. Imo the 100-thingy is something different.

The offical website's URL www.battleforvedros.com was registered in Septemer 2015 and was probably set up for GW sales agents to now inform shops like toy stores about the product before taking orders in.

Actually, there's a button for Canada as well as one for the USA

Though both just go to the Get Started a section of the 40k list of the GW site. The Find Stores goes to the regular store locator.

Super curious about the price. Also about what kind of bike is in the Ork Biker box.

Very interesting stuff. Might order a box of thouse. Noticed one realy interesting thing - on the sheet with the models characteristics the Warboss has 4 wounds, while in the Codex he's got 3. Realy, realy interesting...

Remember it's simplified - the extra wound is probably to represent his higher toughness baked in.

I doubt they'll try to deal with AV and hull points on the dreadnought, maybe they'll call it a day at 5 wounds like what they did with the war boss? I would seriously buy this kit for the paints and to complete my 2/3 of the AoBR Orks, particularly the warboss.

Edit: I may be wrong, I just can't read the stats at the top of the picture at all. But it might make sense.

If nothing else, this means that a viable model is available again for us Ork players wanting more Deffkoptas. I mean, I already have ten I picked up back when AoBR was out, but you know, for other people. Or for me for more buggy conversions.

Yay, AOBR is back! Which reminds me that I need to paint my old set. Orks and all.

It's good to see GW taking some right steps into attracting their target audience. And is it wrong that I actually sat through the painting/assembling videos even though I have three years of painting experience? I swear I can listen to Duncan talk about hobby stuff all day.

I wonder if they're ever going to retire the old Gorkamorka-era wartrak model? It really takes me back.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Remember it's simplified - the extra wound is probably to represent his higher toughness baked in.

You might be right, but a simple ork like me can still dream . Besides, the kopta gets 2 rokkit shots. Too many indications if you ask me.

KommissarKiln wrote:I doubt they'll try to deal with AV and hull points on the dreadnought, maybe they'll call it a day at 5 wounds like what they did with the war boss? I would seriously buy this kit for the paints and to complete my 2/3 of the AoBR Orks, particularly the warboss.

Edit: I may be wrong, I just can't read the stats at the top of the picture at all. But it might make sense.

I think it has only 4 wounds, but I could be wrong. It also looks like having some kind of armour save.

This is really unfortunate.

Gone are the days when our hobby was generally considered for the mature, where W40K carried strong adult themes. Gone is any remnant where painting Citadel miniatures could be considered an art.

Coming are the days where our hobby will be viewed as grown men playing with children's toys. The intentions of purchase and ownership questioned and scrutinized... Men thought of as child predators before hobby enthusiasts while standing in the checkout line.

Citadel miniatures are now; officially; and hence forth... Children's toys. Congratulations to you GW, you are now; officially, and hence forth... A toy company. Your mantra of being "not a game company" is officially true and undeniable more then ever now.

Selling W40K kits to kids will not increase sales, it will not yield regular customers, it will not start kids on a path to greater "hobby" endeavors - it's the complete wrong demographic and to limited of exposure. Kids are far too fickle; have far too short of attention spans and generally only want what they see on TV - We're all royally fethed if GW starts making commercials that air on during children's cartoons.

This move is by far the most short sighted, ill conceived attempt at increasing sales that I've seen GW try. Mark my word this day... No one will benefit from this.

 oni wrote:
This is really unfortunate.

Gone are the days when our hobby was generally considered for the mature, where W40K carried strong adult themes. Gone is any remnant where painting Citadel miniatures could be considered an art.

Coming are the days where our hobby will be viewed as grown men playing with children's toys. The intentions of purchase and ownership questioned and scrutinized... Men thought of as child predators before hobby enthusiasts while standing in the checkout line.

Citadel miniatures are now; officially; and hence forth... Children's toys. Congratulations to you GW, you are now; officially, and hence forth... A toy company. Your mantra of being "not a game company" is officially true and undeniable more then ever now.

Selling W40K kits to kids will not increase sales, it will not yield regular customers, it will not start kids on a path to greater "hobby" endeavors - it's the complete wrong demographic and to limited of exposure. Kids are far too fickle; have far too short of attention spans and generally only want what they see on TV - We're all royally fethed if GW starts making commercials that air on during children's cartoons.

This move is by far the most short sighted, ill conceived attempt at increasing sales that I've seen GW try. Mark my word this day... No one will benefit from this.

Wow, over the top much? I grew up playing, building and modeling through my early teens to my now 30's. Let me tell you, them being in toy stores isn't going to make people suddenly think things they didn't before. And jesus, where is a male adult buying a toy in a toystore considered a child predator. Extremes much?

 Hulksmash wrote:

 oni wrote:
This is really unfortunate.

Gone are the days when our hobby was generally considered for the mature, where W40K carried strong adult themes. Gone is any remnant where painting Citadel miniatures could be considered an art.

Coming are the days where our hobby will be viewed as grown men playing with children's toys. The intentions of purchase and ownership questioned and scrutinized... Men thought of as child predators before hobby enthusiasts while standing in the checkout line.

Citadel miniatures are now; officially; and hence forth... Children's toys. Congratulations to you GW, you are now; officially, and hence forth... A toy company. Your mantra of being "not a game company" is officially true and undeniable more then ever now.

Selling W40K kits to kids will not increase sales, it will not yield regular customers, it will not start kids on a path to greater "hobby" endeavors - it's the complete wrong demographic and to limited of exposure. Kids are far too fickle; have far too short of attention spans and generally only want what they see on TV - We're all royally fethed if GW starts making commercials that air on during children's cartoons.

This move is by far the most short sighted, ill conceived attempt at increasing sales that I've seen GW try. Mark my word this day... No one will benefit from this.

Wow, over the top much? I grew up playing, building and modeling through my early teens to my now 30's. Let me tell you, them being in toy stores isn't going to make people suddenly think things they didn't before. And jesus, where is a male adult buying a toy in a toystore considered a child predator. Extremes much?

Glad I'm not the only one to think of Oni's statements as being a bit of an over reaction.

I first bought 2nd Ed 40K from the Toy section of an Argos catalogue.

Plus, in my experience, there are plenty of people out there who view all wargaming, whether the various flavours of sci-fi/fantasy or the most serious of historicals, as toys anyway.

If you ever thought that gw models were anything but children's toys, you're delusional.

Hulksmash wrote:

Spoiler:

 oni wrote:
This is really unfortunate.

Gone are the days when our hobby was generally considered for the mature, where W40K carried strong adult themes. Gone is any remnant where painting Citadel miniatures could be considered an art.

Coming are the days where our hobby will be viewed as grown men playing with children's toys. The intentions of purchase and ownership questioned and scrutinized... Men thought of as child predators before hobby enthusiasts while standing in the checkout line.

Citadel miniatures are now; officially; and hence forth... Children's toys. Congratulations to you GW, you are now; officially, and hence forth... A toy company. Your mantra of being "not a game company" is officially true and undeniable more then ever now.

Selling W40K kits to kids will not increase sales, it will not yield regular customers, it will not start kids on a path to greater "hobby" endeavors - it's the complete wrong demographic and to limited of exposure. Kids are far too fickle; have far too short of attention spans and generally only want what they see on TV - We're all royally fethed if GW starts making commercials that air on during children's cartoons.

This move is by far the most short sighted, ill conceived attempt at increasing sales that I've seen GW try. Mark my word this day... No one will benefit from this.

Wow, over the top much? I grew up playing, building and modeling through my early teens to my now 30's. Let me tell you, them being in toy stores isn't going to make people suddenly think things they didn't before. And jesus, where is a male adult buying a toy in a toystore considered a child predator. Extremes much?

alphaecho wrote:

Spoiler:

 Hulksmash wrote:

 oni wrote:
This is really unfortunate.

Gone are the days when our hobby was generally considered for the mature, where W40K carried strong adult themes. Gone is any remnant where painting Citadel miniatures could be considered an art.

Coming are the days where our hobby will be viewed as grown men playing with children's toys. The intentions of purchase and ownership questioned and scrutinized... Men thought of as child predators before hobby enthusiasts while standing in the checkout line.

Citadel miniatures are now; officially; and hence forth... Children's toys. Congratulations to you GW, you are now; officially, and hence forth... A toy company. Your mantra of being "not a game company" is officially true and undeniable more then ever now.

Selling W40K kits to kids will not increase sales, it will not yield regular customers, it will not start kids on a path to greater "hobby" endeavors - it's the complete wrong demographic and to limited of exposure. Kids are far too fickle; have far too short of attention spans and generally only want what they see on TV - We're all royally fethed if GW starts making commercials that air on during children's cartoons.

This move is by far the most short sighted, ill conceived attempt at increasing sales that I've seen GW try. Mark my word this day... No one will benefit from this.

Wow, over the top much? I grew up playing, building and modeling through my early teens to my now 30's. Let me tell you, them being in toy stores isn't going to make people suddenly think things they didn't before. And jesus, where is a male adult buying a toy in a toystore considered a child predator. Extremes much?

Glad I'm not the only one to think of Oni's statements as being a bit of an over reaction.

I first bought 2nd Ed 40K from the Toy section of an Argos catalogue.

Plus, in my experience, there are plenty of people out there who view all wargaming, whether the various flavours of sci-fi/fantasy or the most serious of historicals, as toys anyway.

Yes, perhaps a bit extreme, but only because I'm passionate about this hobby. I view these build+paint kits as a blow to the credibility of the hobby and it frustrates me greatly.

Additionally, I'm not wrong about this sales campaign being short sighted and ill conceived - it will not yield new, repeat / long term customers. Let me Chicken-Little for a moment here... [Chicken-Little] What's even more unfortunate is that because these kits will be cheaper than the norm, veteran hobbyist's will purchase these kits looking for a deal; falsely causing GW to think that the build+paint sales campaign is a success. They will look at the sales data and form their false notions that kids are begging their parents to buy this gak and it'll just snowball from there. [/Chicken-Little]

@Hulksmash - Starting this "hobby" in your teenage years is pretty normal, not when you're 8 years old, which is the age stated on the boxes of these new kits.

I was building kits when I was 8, all sorts of different kits, boats, planes, tanks, cars

and if there had been sf stuff i'd have built that too

and that would mean i'd have a vague brand/world/look awareness when I got round to gaming a few years later

I think you're right there won't be many 'gamers' brought in by the kits, but they are basically advertising paid for by the customer, and not only for the kid, but for the parent too. If I buy something my kid likes I'm going to remember it and buy it again

when I was young it was airfix my family knew I liked so I tended to get an airfix kit when I didn't ask for something specific for birthdays/Christmas/treats etc. With these it could be Warhammer

(I also think enough of the kits are sufficiently old that there won't be huge sales to existing gamers (deffkopters aside), and the really price conscious who will buy would have bought second hand previously anyway

Wrote a response and then lost it.

Basically, I started at around 7-8*. With Heroquest, Blood Bowl, 40k, eta. These kits would have been fantastic as a birthday present.

And this is like saying Pixar is ruining the credibility of cinema because it gets kids into film.

*even earlier if playing Ghostbuster models or little army men and rolling dice to knock them over counts.

alphaecho wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

 oni wrote:
This is really unfortunate.

Gone are the days when our hobby was generally considered for the mature, where W40K carried strong adult themes. Gone is any remnant where painting Citadel miniatures could be considered an art.

Coming are the days where our hobby will be viewed as grown men playing with children's toys. The intentions of purchase and ownership questioned and scrutinized... Men thought of as child predators before hobby enthusiasts while standing in the checkout line.

Citadel miniatures are now; officially; and hence forth... Children's toys. Congratulations to you GW, you are now; officially, and hence forth... A toy company. Your mantra of being "not a game company" is officially true and undeniable more then ever now.

Selling W40K kits to kids will not increase sales, it will not yield regular customers, it will not start kids on a path to greater "hobby" endeavors - it's the complete wrong demographic and to limited of exposure. Kids are far too fickle; have far too short of attention spans and generally only want what they see on TV - We're all royally fethed if GW starts making commercials that air on during children's cartoons.

This move is by far the most short sighted, ill conceived attempt at increasing sales that I've seen GW try. Mark my word this day... No one will benefit from this.

Wow, over the top much? I grew up playing, building and modeling through my early teens to my now 30's. Let me tell you, them being in toy stores isn't going to make people suddenly think things they didn't before. And jesus, where is a male adult buying a toy in a toystore considered a child predator. Extremes much?

Glad I'm not the only one to think of Oni's statements as being a bit of an over reaction.

I first bought 2nd Ed 40K from the Toy section of an Argos catalogue.

Plus, in my experience, there are plenty of people out there who view all wargaming, whether the various flavours of sci-fi/fantasy or the most serious of historicals, as toys anyway.

2nd edition was, in my opinion, mostly aimed at younger gamers - with very, very simple plastics, for the most part.

2nd was also when most of the people that I have known that play 40K started playing.

And some still play 2nd edition - so I have no complaints about bringing in fresh meat....

***

My good lady saw the War Truks, and demanded to know why I hadn't told her about them - she has no urge to play Orks, but she has a Mad Max style Post-Apocalyptic game that she is working on....

I had looked at the model and thought 'Orks'. She looked at the model and thought 'Witness me!'

The Auld Grump - we have GorkaMorka, but she is looking more at an RPG game.

 ShaneTB wrote:
Wrote a response and then lost it.

Basically, I started at around 7-8*. With Heroquest, Blood Bowl, 40k, eta. These kits would have been fantastic as a birthday present.

yup, I started in the hobby at about the same age, with Space Crusade, which was sold in regular stores/toy shops, and was recommended for 10+ ages:
(spoilered massive image)

most of my friends were the same, so personally I think these kits are a brilliant move

Shame the minitrukk isn't part of the collection (at the moment).

I think the two trukk models are the products of extreme design philosophy; raise it up and make it big (American monster modding) or lower it to the ground, cram in all your mates and hurtle around snake pass (uk chav style).