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2011/11/07 22:02:51
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Fell Caller - Child of Bragg
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I don't know if this is the right place for speculation, but here goes.
In the new Necron codex, one of the characters (Orikan the diviner) has a special weapon called the "Staff of Tomorrow." It's rules state that he re-rolls to-hit rolls in close combat, and that wounds caused by it ignore armor saves. It doesn't have any ranged abilities, so I can't think of any reason why this wasn't just labeled a power weapon. It's not like Orikan can take a pistol, so I doubt that's the issue (since the staff isn't explicitly labeled a CCW).
Am I reading too much into this, or is there a chance that they needed to make a distinction between Orikan's staff and a power weapon for a reason that might not become evident until 6E?
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2011/11/07 22:12:46
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yup, also irritated me but at that point, we can't really make any hard guess. Good spot.
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2011/11/07 22:14:08
Subject: Re:Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Mounted Kroot Tracker
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The same wording exists for the Warscythe. I think you're on to something.
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2011/11/07 22:15:30
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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You're reading too much into it. Many of the Dark Eldar weapons say the same thing.
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2011/11/07 22:15:39
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Well spotted
Your conclusion seems valid indeed... the only possible hole I can think of is that it's the GW proofreading department at (lack of) work again...
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2011/11/07 22:15:48
Subject: Re:Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Fell Caller - Child of Bragg
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Oaka wrote:The same wording exists for the Warscythe. I think you're on to something.
Noticed that too! And yet, hyperphase swords and rods of the covenant are still "power weapons."
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2011/11/07 22:17:39
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Mounted Kroot Tracker
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It's a very bold suggestion, but is it possible power weapons may be considered AP 3 in sixth edition? That would really throw a spanner into the current mix!
Edit: This discussion reminds me of when choppas and Khorne axes reduced armor saves to 4+. That was a fantastic rule that didn't last very long and should certainly make a comeback.
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2011/11/07 22:19:46
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Fell Caller - Child of Bragg
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Oaka wrote:It's a very bold suggestion, but is it possible power weapons may be considered AP 3 in sixth edition? That would really throw a spanner into the current mix!
Or perhaps something like -2 to the armor save.
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2011/11/07 22:22:17
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Tunneling Trygon
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Maybe they will bring back the old parry rules, so a distinction between a power weapon and a weapon that just ignores armor will be important? Not sure. DE and tyranid weapons state the same sort of thing, as do some GK ones IIRC.
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2011/11/07 22:30:08
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Battlefield Tourist
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Oaka wrote:It's a very bold suggestion, but is it possible power weapons may be considered AP 3 in sixth edition? That would really throw a spanner into the current mix!
Edit: This discussion reminds me of when choppas and Khorne axes reduced armor saves to 4+. That was a fantastic rule that didn't last very long and should certainly make a comeback.
Huh? That rule lasted for something like 8 years. That's ages.
And it was a stupid rule. It made orks great against marines (especially termies) and MEQs, but crap against GEQ and so on. +1 S gives the same odds of killing a marine but reduced odds on a termie, and increased odds against everything else.
A better rule might be -1 to save. But GW is afraid of negative modifiers for 40K.
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2011/11/07 22:50:18
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Maybe they'll go for the WHFB rule of high S reducing enemy sv and power weapons give +X on...*shudders*
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2011/11/07 22:55:18
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Freaky Flayed One
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I just took it to mean that it wasn't, in fact, a power weapon. A power weapon ignores armour saves and nothing more. The Staff of Tomorrow and the Warscythe both confer additional bonuses. Perhaps the fact that both weapons needed a detailed description of their abilities it was added that they ignore armour save to prevent some kind of rules argument?
Gah I suck at explaining things. But I honestly think you're reading too much into it. It's probably just messy wording, there's quite a bit of that in the Codex.
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2011/11/07 22:56:58
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Fixture of Dakka
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It is not, in fact, appropriate to post speculation in "News & Rumors." Problem rectified.
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2011/11/07 23:08:17
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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I'm sure i've seen this in other codexes as well. I think you're reading too much into this.
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Ever thought 40k would be a lot better with bears?
Codex: Bears.
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2011/11/07 23:16:16
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Well, if it's only 5th edition codexes, theres still a patern.
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2011/11/07 23:19:14
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Wicked Warp Spider
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Joey wrote:I'm sure i've seen this in other codexes as well. I think you're reading too much into this.
Agree with that. Personally I'd guess it's a background/flavour difference. Lots of weapons that are actually powered are described as power weapons, lots of models that are just really strong or whatnot are described as having attacks that ignore armour saves. It's certainly not some super-subtle groundwork for a rules change (after all such a radical change would require written amendments to most codexes anyway)
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2011/11/07 23:41:55
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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I think there are three possible avenues with the reasoning behind the wording: 1. Inconsistent wording from GW *most likely reason* 2. Changes to power weapons in 6th. Distinction between weapons that ignores armour saves and a power weapons. 3. “Ignores armour saves” wording specifically used to prevent rules arguments
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2011/11/08 01:52:03
Subject: Re:Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Slaanesh Chosen Marine Riding a Fiend
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What GW's being inconsistent? That never happens.
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2011/11/08 02:22:39
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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If found in the Dark Eldar codex as well, that could be read and interpreted as a sign of these possible changes. If rumors hold true, and 6ed is around the corner, then that could certainly have been considered when the DE codex was coming out.
Speculation, but interesting nonetheless.
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2011/11/08 02:34:13
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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eldar codex wrote:Mirrorswords ignore armour saves
That's from the 4th edition Eldar codex.
So unless GW are planning this gak two editions in advance, not likely.
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Ever thought 40k would be a lot better with bears?
Codex: Bears.
NOW WITH MR BIGGLES AND HIS AMAZING FLYING CONTRAPTION |
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2011/11/11 07:04:37
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Brainy Zoanthrope
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It says that about Tyranid boneswords?
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2011/11/11 09:19:42
Subject: Re:Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Krazed Killa Kan
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My guess is that it's just the lack of proper proofreading. The Necron codex has a good amount of weirdly worded rules. Considering that GW has been pushing towards simplifying 40k, I can't see them changing power weapons in such a way to give negative modifiers to armor. Although I'll admit I know next to nothing about previous editions, having only been playing since 5th.
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2011/11/11 14:54:28
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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Sigvatr wrote:Maybe they'll go for the WHFB rule of high S reducing enemy sv and power weapons give +X on...*shudders*
The Strength-modifies-armour save was in 2nd edition 40k, too. Different weapons there had additional abilities, e.g. I think Chainsword gave a -2 save penalty although was Strength 4, and Power Swords and Power Axes had some distinction, although I forget what the rules were. Melee combat was more complicated then--although a Space Marine tactical squad was 300 points basic, so there were fewer models on the table, and it didn't slow things down much for typical game sizes.
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2011/11/11 15:01:00
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Inconsistent wording. GW has had plenty of instances of "ignores armor saves" instead of "Power Weapon".
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2011/11/11 15:01:03
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Power weapons are single handed Special CCW, by not saying theyre power weapons they avoid having to consider bonus attacks being possible.
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2011/11/11 15:15:50
Subject: Power Weapon rules changing in 40K 6E?
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Oaka wrote:It's a very bold suggestion, but is it possible power weapons may be considered AP 3 in sixth edition? That would really throw a spanner into the current mix!
That would make Terminators the nastiest unit in the game. It's so f'in wrong, I love it!!!
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