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Why are the Shieldmaidens more expensive than the Orcs?

Either of the two designs is fine on its own, but I think the armoured version is inadequate if it's going to be "the armoured version" if/when a second kit comes out. I would suggest making the unarmoured version with enough covered torsos to make a full unit, with a few extra topless torsos, and make the armored unit more along the lines of wolf armour in Skyrim.

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overtyrant wrote:
I was hoping for a more 'Viking' feel, not 'Amazon' feel. I was looking forward to a Lagertha from Vikings look. Oh well as you say you can't please everyone, here's hoping the 5th race will get my attention..... If it's not to far down on the SG list.


Yeah Lagertha is def a major influence on what I was hoping for......

Are these the final scuplts or WIP?

The girl with the trident is very strange?

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Must say that the 'armoured' versions don't look very different.

More like the unarmoured versions with a bit less revealing clothing.

   
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I like the design of these. And I even like the wierd poses; they remind me of Confrontation

   
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 AlexHolker wrote:
Why are the Shieldmaidens more expensive than the Orcs?


Because the Mountain Orc kit is a product that exists already, the Shieldmaiden kit needs the funding to be developed. I'm pretty sure no-one expected HIPS quality at 15$ x20 minis and that you'll agree with me that 24$ for 20minis (modular) isn't a bad deal, both backers and creator are happy that way... :-)

We have also pushed in front another stretch goal we had, that of the free sprue for each Beast with Howdah (currently only the Mammoth being unlocked). Actually we meant to have it after, but this means we are also giving a sprue of 4 Mountain Orcs with each Mammoth now.
We believe to be rational and offering a good deal, the Mammoth with Howdah is indeed going to have a retail price of 99euros once available to non-Kickstarter backers. And we find that's a very reasonable price. Hopefully when people get them in their hands, they'll confirm the amount of detail put into this...

(Also, if one considers a price of 15$ for a 25,000$ stretch goal, that means backers would have to buy something like 1.660 kits, whereas at 24$ it's a tad over 1,000$. Considering people wanting the Shieldmaidens might purchase 2-3 kits, that's 400-450 backers. It's doable!)

   
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Any chance of some minis armoured in the same theme as this lady - thats what drew my attention to the faction.

Are they suppoed to be vikingesque or Chaos Warrior- esque - both are legit styles but have very different asthetics and appeal - at the moment it looks like the bust is Viking and the minis are Chaos Warrior?

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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos

"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001

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That bust is great, hope the plastic troops look something like it!
   
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If the Shieldmaiden kit gets funded, we'll be showing the 3ups to people for the progress made via updates. We are not going to be pouring their money into something they will not like, in a crowdfunding project we believe it best we decide together. :-)

Thank you.
The Shieldwolf Team.

   
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Viking style has far More appeal to me personally. I am backed only for maidens so hopefully they turn out nice.
   
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 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
 AlexHolker wrote:
Why are the Shieldmaidens more expensive than the Orcs?

Because the Mountain Orc kit is a product that exists already, the Shieldmaiden kit needs the funding to be developed. I'm pretty sure no-one expected HIPS quality at 15$ x20 minis and that you'll agree with me that 24$ for 20minis (modular) isn't a bad deal, both backers and creator are happy that way... :-)

The price differential isn't $9, it's $18 - there's no reason why the Shieldmaiden kit should cost almost twice as much to ship, nor should you have to buy an extra $6 worth of coins you can't spend on anything. Besides, the fact that you are buying a kit sight unseen a year in advance isn't something one pays a premium for.

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 AlexHolker wrote:
There's no reason why the Shieldmaiden kit should cost almost twice as much to ship, nor should you have to buy an extra $6 worth of coins you can't spend on anything.
On the contrary, there is. It's not a question about producing+packaging+shipping; we have to sculpt the 3ups and make the moulds for this kit.
The additional $6? Well, we have offered some minis at 2 gold coin cost (=6$), and the backer would be receiving an Infernal Assaulter's Hero too. True, he/she doesn't get to pick from a huge variety but that would bring the cost down to $3 each of the additional minis. Is that so bad?
 AlexHolker wrote:
Besides, the fact that you are buying a kit sight unseen a year in advance isn't something one pays a premium for.

Well, we'lll have to agree to disagree on the fact 24$ for 20 (modular) minis is or isn't considered a premium, you say it is, we say it isn't. No beef here, to each his own :-)
As for the unseen kit, yes, I agree with you, it is unseen, I'm afraid however there isn't any other way. If we had produced the said kit to show off the plastics, we wouldn't be launching a KS. We would be selling as we speak at 32-35$, which is the aimed MSRP for this product. :-)

   
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$24 for 20 is a good price, slightly less than Mantic.
   
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So what will the shieldmaidens look like? The concept art or the bust? Because if they have an actual Viking shieldmaiden look like the bust and not the scantily fur clad Amazon look I will buy a ton of them, if they get funded that is.


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I'm kinda concerned that you did not set a higher goal and lead with the girls. I think it may of hampered this campaign early on, still early days days though I suppose.

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@Overtyrant
In our game, the lords have heavy armor like the bust, unless they carry magical defences (amulets etc).
The rest are not so heavily armoured. We have said that we will be very faithful to the artwork shown, that was the reason we wanted people to click on the images and be transfered to our webshop page.
Obviously it was not communicated correclty and needless say we assume full responsability.

The goal has been reached, we have unlocked multiple items and we are 1000$ from unlocking the 2nd Dragon.
Early days indeed, we too had our moment of reflection but way too soon to judge. :-)

We are seriously considering revealing the 5th army on Monday, it can only do good we think, if we stall too much it may be of little or no value at all (and we've put our share of work on that too).

Still discussing it with our backers...

   
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 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
 AlexHolker wrote:
There's no reason why the Shieldmaiden kit should cost almost twice as much to ship, nor should you have to buy an extra $6 worth of coins you can't spend on anything.
On the contrary, there is. It's not a question about producing+packaging+shipping;

You are charging $5-6 for shipping on 20 Orcs and $9-10 for shipping on 20 Shieldmaidens.

The additional $6? Well, we have offered some minis at 2 gold coin cost (=6$), and the backer would be receiving an Infernal Assaulter's Hero too. True, he/she doesn't get to pick from a huge variety but that would bring the cost down to $3 each of the additional minis. Is that so bad?

If I wanted to collect both orcs and infernals, that wouldn't be so bad. But I don't.

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@AlexHolker

Point 1. On that point you are correct. But bear with me for a second. We divided shipping according to expected bulk of orders. (As I said, bear with me). We have calculated an "x" number of orders for only 1-2 models. We also calculated a "y" number of orders for something more costly.
If we charged 5-6$ for shipping plastic kits, the 36% cofunding of the P&P wouldn't suffice, both volume and weight augment.
If we charged 9-10$ for shipping, no-one would enter to purchase e.g. 1 Warrior Priest on Horse or anything similar.
So, when we did the math, we inevitably had a minority that would feel the shipping cost is not proportional. That's where your example fits in...

Point-2. I have no argument there other than that's what we can offer atm... :-)

   
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 AlexHolker wrote:
 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
 AlexHolker wrote:
There's no reason why the Shieldmaiden kit should cost almost twice as much to ship, nor should you have to buy an extra $6 worth of coins you can't spend on anything.
On the contrary, there is. It's not a question about producing+packaging+shipping;

You are charging $5-6 for shipping on 20 Orcs and $9-10 for shipping on 20 Shieldmaidens.

The additional $6? Well, we have offered some minis at 2 gold coin cost (=6$), and the backer would be receiving an Infernal Assaulter's Hero too. True, he/she doesn't get to pick from a huge variety but that would bring the cost down to $3 each of the additional minis. Is that so bad?

If I wanted to collect both orcs and infernals, that wouldn't be so bad. But I don't.


Okay, let me get one thing straight. They already HAVE the plastic orcs, probably in their warehouse in Greece. While they DON'T HAVE the shieldmaidens, as they need to be sculpted (which is money), the sculpts need modifications, if fans don't like them and ask for a change (which is money), they need to be sent to England to Renedra (which is money) OR personally delivered (which is money), Renedra needs to chop them up (which is money), make sprue layouts to make appropriate sprues for them (which is money), make the moulding machines (which is money), actually mould the minis (which is money), send them back to Greece (which is money), packaged into neat little cardboard boxes (which is money), and then they are at the same level as the orcs. See where I'm going with that?
   
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 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
@Overtyrant
In our game, the lords have heavy armor like the bust, unless they carry magical defences (amulets etc).
The rest are not so heavily armoured. We have said that we will be very faithful to the artwork shown, that was the reason we wanted people to click on the images and be transfered to our webshop page.
Obviously it was not communicated correclty and needless say we assume full responsability.

The goal has been reached, we have unlocked multiple items and we are 1000$ from unlocking the 2nd Dragon.
Early days indeed, we too had our moment of reflection but way too soon to judge. :-)

We are seriously considering revealing the 5th army on Monday, it can only do good we think, if we stall too much it may be of little or no value at all (and we've put our share of work on that too).

Still discussing it with our backers...


Ah well maybe there will be a heavy infantry unit in the future.........

I'd reveal it - not sure what you gain from secrecy tbh - if its cool I might buy it, if its secret I am def not speculativly bidding - Kickstarters are already a bit speculative - all my others are very late in actual delivery - average about 8-12 months...........

but that might just be me?

I AM A MARINE PLAYER

"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos

"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001

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 Mr Morden wrote:
 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
@Overtyrant
In our game, the lords have heavy armor like the bust, unless they carry magical defences (amulets etc).
The rest are not so heavily armoured. We have said that we will be very faithful to the artwork shown, that was the reason we wanted people to click on the images and be transfered to our webshop page.
Obviously it was not communicated correclty and needless say we assume full responsability.

The goal has been reached, we have unlocked multiple items and we are 1000$ from unlocking the 2nd Dragon.
Early days indeed, we too had our moment of reflection but way too soon to judge. :-)

We are seriously considering revealing the 5th army on Monday, it can only do good we think, if we stall too much it may be of little or no value at all (and we've put our share of work on that too).

Still discussing it with our backers...


Ah well maybe there will be a heavy infantry unit in the future.........

I'd reveal it - not sure what you gain from secrecy tbh - if its cool I might buy it, if its secret I am def not speculativly bidding - Kickstarters are already a bit speculative - all my others are very late in actual delivery - average about 8-12 months...........

but that might just be me?


To be fair, I think that so far this Kickstarter is the exact opposite of secrecy. Every next move or plan is widely discussed with the community. Such openness and taking account of feedback, opinions and suggestions is not something to be seen often.
   
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 corgan wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
@Overtyrant
In our game, the lords have heavy armor like the bust, unless they carry magical defences (amulets etc).
The rest are not so heavily armoured. We have said that we will be very faithful to the artwork shown, that was the reason we wanted people to click on the images and be transfered to our webshop page.
Obviously it was not communicated correclty and needless say we assume full responsability.

The goal has been reached, we have unlocked multiple items and we are 1000$ from unlocking the 2nd Dragon.
Early days indeed, we too had our moment of reflection but way too soon to judge. :-)

We are seriously considering revealing the 5th army on Monday, it can only do good we think, if we stall too much it may be of little or no value at all (and we've put our share of work on that too).

Still discussing it with our backers...


Ah well maybe there will be a heavy infantry unit in the future.........

I'd reveal it - not sure what you gain from secrecy tbh - if its cool I might buy it, if its secret I am def not speculativly bidding - Kickstarters are already a bit speculative - all my others are very late in actual delivery - average about 8-12 months...........

but that might just be me?


To be fair, I think that so far this Kickstarter is the exact opposite of secrecy. Every next move or plan is widely discussed with the community. Such openness and taking account of feedback, opinions and suggestions is not something to be seen often.


well the "5th army " is the secret bit- that was what I was refering to and not sure how it helps? If so what am I missing?

I AM A MARINE PLAYER

"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos

"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001

www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/528517.page

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Maybe they want to keep the army for another KS later on? And being able to show concepts and ideas, etc. will create some buzz on the communities to help push the KS onwards.

   
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I would personally much prefer a more viking style clothed version of the shieldmaidens rather then the amazon style ones. If nothing else because conan-esque barbarians are common but more sensibly dressed marauder style figures are hard to find (this is true for both males and females actually).

I'm not presently in a situation where I can invest in any masses of models so there isn't much money to be gained from me . Although it might make more business sense to go for the more clothed look unless you have already started work on the models. It's to late to start to swish things up now.

   
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Well, I think there's arguments both ways for revealing things that are a long way off.

On the one hand, it could certainly drive more interest and backers, and therefore increase the funding. Where as, on the other hand, if it's a long way off people might not pledge at this stage if that's all they're after or people could pledge but then pull out later on if it looks like what they were after isn't going to happen.

As for the shieldmaidens. I have no strong feelings one way or another. Though from a sculpting / manufacturing point of view, getting the less armoured ones done first would potentially make it easier to add more armour later, saving time and money from a sculpting point of view. As an example, look at some of the alternate sculpts that Mierce have been releasing based off earlier figures.

However, from a funding point of view, the armoured versions are probably going to bring more people in. Not everyone wants to play with half naked figures, or has a group / location that will accommodate such figures on the table top.

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@Shieldwolf - you should put a link to the KS in your sig here. (and on any other forums you frequent).

   
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I like what I'm seeing however I'm wary of backing anything that's currently based in Greece.
   
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Zond wrote:
I like what I'm seeing however I'm wary of backing anything that's currently based in Greece.


This is a pity to hear...
   
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Zond wrote:
I like what I'm seeing however I'm wary of backing anything that's currently based in Greece.


Why's that?

   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 Azazelx wrote:
Zond wrote:
I like what I'm seeing however I'm wary of backing anything that's currently based in Greece.


Why's that?


It's because the right-wing British media have been throwing a massive hissy-fit since Greece elected a left-of-centre government, and a lot of folk here have bought into the propaganda that Greece is now somehow a threat to the global economy or somesuch nonsense.

I need to acquire plastic Skavenslaves, can you help?
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Let's end the political discussion there and keep discussing miniatures - Thanks!
   
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Damn. I'm simply naturally cautious regarding ongoing political matters. I don't believe in any way that things are about to collapse or that Greece will leave the Euro. I just want to wait until the end of next week when negotiations have concluded.

Interested in the big sexy lion riders particularly.
   
 
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