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Black Templars vs. Blood Angels - 1750 points

BLACK TEMPLARS
Emperors Champion with Accept All Challenges
Helbrecht
Dreadnought with Assault Cannon
Sword Brethern Terminator Squad with 2 Assault Cannons
Crusader Squad with Power Fist and Melta Gun
- Land Raider Crusader as their ride
Crusader Squad with Power Fist and Melta Gun
- Land Raider Crusader as their ride
Land Speeder Typhoon
Land Speeder Typhoon

BLOOD ANGELS
Librarian w/ Shield and Rage
Sanguinary Priest
Sanguinary Priest
Assault Marines with Plasma Gun
- Razorback w/ TL Lascannon
Assault Marines with Plasma Gun
- Razorback w/ TL Lascannon
Assault Marines with Plasma Gun
- Razorback w/ TL Lascannon
Vindicator
Vindicator
Bhaal Predator w/ alot of upgrades
Bhaal Predator w/ alot of upgrades
Predator w/ Lascannons

Deployment
We rolled on the mission table and got the following:
- Pitched Battle
- Primary objective is killpoints
- Secondary objective is table quarters

Since this was my first game with my Black Templars I wasn't paying that much attention to the objectives, I just wanted to play and see where the game took me. I won the roll for first turn and deployed first, I did spread out my army a bit just to see what he did. Well, as you can see, he pulled a parking lot on me... He did put his Bhaal Predators in reserve, I did the same with my Terminators. I was hoping I could pin him down in his corner and get an easy win on the table quarters, if I could keep him in the corner then my big Crusader squads could put some serious hurt on him.



Turn 1
He failed to seize so I went first. Everything moved up, the LRC's went 12" and the left Land Speeder went flat out for a cover save. Both the LRC's popped smoke since they had nothing in LoS. On the right my Dreadnought and Land Speeder unleashed their ammo on the Predator and blew off both Lascannon sponsons and immobilized it. Good Start!



My Blood Angel opponent split his forcesby sending his Razorbacks to the middle of his zone to stop the Land Raiders, his Vindicators went left to deal with the Dreadnought and the Land Speeder on that side. As you can see, he hit absolutely nothing, both his Vindicators scattered way off and his Lascannons didn't even put a dent in the Land Raiders.



Turn 2
Once again I moved everything further up, his entire army was in my range so every Assault Cannon, Multi-Melta and Missile Launcher could fire, woohoo! When the smoke cleared I had blown of one Lascannon... No termies this turn.



My opponent wasn't that much luckier to be honest, he fired everything he had and managed to shake 1 LRC and stun the Land Speeder on the far side of the table. We both decided we'd best forget everything about this round! Remarkable however was that he moved everything back in the parking lot... None of his Bhaal Predators decided to show up.



Turn 3
I decided that I should take as much advantage from his defensive movement as possible and started to box him in. Termies arrived and I decided to take a risk, his Predators hadn't shown up yet but deepstriking amidst enemies is risky. I landed on target, pfew! Both the Crusader Squads jump out, the one in the middle took cover to see what the ensuing Assault and retaliation from the Blood Angels would cause, the other one with Helbrecht went straight in. Results were awesome! I blew up a Razorback and destroyed the weapon plus immobilized one Vindicator. In assault I blew up his second Vindicator!



Now I had to brace for impact! Both the Bhaal Predators came on and promptly did their thing, one blew up and the other one lost all his guns but was still flying! Two of his assault squads jumped out, one with a Priest and another with the Librarian, here comes the pain! Shooting saw 1 Termie go down to a Plasma shot while 2 Neophytes bit the dust. In the assault Helbrecht and the Librarian traded blows with Helbrecht suffering 1 wound and killing the Libby. Then the assault marines with Furious Charge hit and took out about 5 models, mostly due to power
weapons while the regular attacks bounced off the armour. I struck back and killed another marine. My opponent was smiling and ready to sweep my Templars but me being fearless prevented that, I even managed to save all the Fearless wounds.



Turn 4
Here is where I won the battle. After unloading his cargo last turn one of the LRC's turned around and went for a Predator and promptly multi-melta'd it off the table. The Dreadnought pulled off the same trick with the other Predator and ended my opponents hope of contesting table quarters. The Crusader Squad containing the EC moved and ran to get closer to the mega assault going on while my other LRC took out 2 marines from his assault squad that wasn't in assault. The assault happened again. Without Furious Charge and the Libby's powers the assault was over in several rolls, I didn't have to sweep him since I killed both squads outright. As I took the dice to roll for my consolidation he conceded.



End results: Massacre for the Black Templars
Black Templars 10 KP and 3 Table Quarters
Blood Angels 1 KP and no Table Quarters

I have to say it was an awesome change from playing Eldar, the Templar army is alot different and it feels alot sturdier but also alot less mobile. I know my list will probably be blow out of the water when melta squards show up but I don't really mind, LRC's are fun to play with! Oh, and first post

Cool report. Have you thought about running minimized crusader squads in reserve as your troops, and trying sword bretheren termies in the raiders instead?

That's just my suggestion, but honestly your list is pretty cool. Helbrecht is a beast!

th3maninblak wrote:Cool report. Have you thought about running minimized crusader squads in reserve as your troops, and trying sword bretheren termies in the raiders instead?

That's just my suggestion, but honestly your list is pretty cool. Helbrecht is a beast!

I thought about both of those suggestions actually but I really liked the idea of 2 LRC's filled with zealots charging down someones throat, we play lists that are far from optimized and I usually build my lists around some sort of theme. Call me crazy but a LRC filled with either assault terminators or shooty terminators is a much bigger target then a LRC with troops, the shooty termies then provide the unknown element that keeps your opponent unsure about whats gonna happen next.

You are absolutely right about Helbrecht, the first round of assault was wasted on the libby since that guy didn't have any inv saves but in the second round he took care of one asault squad and sanguinary priest almost on his own.

Damn fine win! Showing those 5th ed ers we can still kick there arses!

lockdar wrote:

th3maninblak wrote:Cool report. Have you thought about running minimized crusader squads in reserve as your troops, and trying sword bretheren termies in the raiders instead?

That's just my suggestion, but honestly your list is pretty cool. Helbrecht is a beast!

I thought about both of those suggestions actually but I really liked the idea of 2 LRC's filled with zealots charging down someones throat, we play lists that are far from optimized and I usually build my lists around some sort of theme. Call me crazy but a LRC filled with either assault terminators or shooty terminators is a much bigger target then a LRC with troops, the shooty termies then provide the unknown element that keeps your opponent unsure about whats gonna happen next.

You are absolutely right about Helbrecht, the first round of assault was wasted on the libby since that guy didn't have any inv saves but in the second round he took care of one asault squad and sanguinary priest almost on his own.

Definitely can respect that. It's really thematic and fluffy, that's for sure.

As for Helbrecht, he gets knocked a lot at my FLGS, but I dunno why. He buffs your army's leadership, doesn't break the bank, and has a bucket-load of power weapon attacks that reroll to hit with the Emps Champ.

Lookin forward to more batreps from you. Great game.

Hmm...not a typical BT list at all. I'm actually glad to see it work out well. Helbrecht just seems meh to me. You can take so much better things than him, including a basic commander. A marshal gives the same boost but can take better gear. Or use the points to get some CML or upgrade the dread. But that is enough list critiquing out of me so I'll shut up and let you bask in the silence of victory over the snooty 5th ed vamp wannabes and their fancy updated Ward codex.

Love the battle report. I'm looking to start a BT army soon. My list is going to be similiar to yours. Lots of Assault Cannons mixed with termies. Great to see.

I think it's great that it wasn't even a normal victory where stuff happens everywhere. You pinned them in the corner and kicked them in the groin until they stopped moving.

Akroma06 wrote:Hmm...not a typical BT list at all. I'm actually glad to see it work out well. Helbrecht just seems meh to me. You can take so much better things than him, including a basic commander. A marshal gives the same boost but can take better gear. Or use the points to get some CML or upgrade the dread. But that is enough list critiquing out of me so I'll shut up and let you bask in the silence of victory over the snooty 5th ed vamp wannabes and their fancy updated Ward codex.

I absolutely agree with you that there are far better choices then Helbrecht, even a Marshall with assorted wargear has better saves, is immune to ID and has a Lightning Claw. But he isn't Helbrecht We're having a tourney on the 11th of february and I'm actually considering dropping Helbrecht for a basic commander and spending the points on Blessed Hull considering the insane amount of Lances in the game. I am doubting however since I love putting suboptimal stuff on the table and still giving someone a hard time

Yeah all Helbrecht really needed was EW and he would be amazing. That and take sword brethren as a retinue not freaking neophytes!!!

Blessed hull makes DE cry...been there (on the recieving end).

It's not that Helbrecht is bad just like you said suboptimal. Guess he gets ignored then and can then become a major pain.