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Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death
By Lisa Daftari

Published February 22, 2012
|A trial court in Iran has issued its final verdict, ordering a Christian pastor to be put to death for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity, according to sources close to the pastor and his legal team.

Supporters fear Youcef Nadarkhani, a 34-year-old father of two who was arrested over two years ago on charges of apostasy, may now be executed at any time without prior warning, as death sentences in Iran may be carried out immediately or dragged out for years.

It is unclear whether Nadarkhani can appeal the execution order.

“The world needs to stand up and say that a man cannot be put to death because of his faith,” said Jordan Sekulow, executive director of The American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ).

“This one case is not just about one execution. We have been able to expose the system instead of just letting one man disappear, like so many other Christians have in the past.”

It is also feared that Nadarkhani will be executed in retaliation as Iran endures crippling sanctions and international pressure in response to its nuclear agenda and rogue rhetoric. The number of executions in Iran has increased significantly in the last month.

“This is defiance,” Sekulow said. “They want to say they will carry out what they say they will do.”

The order to execute Nadarkhani came only days after lawmakers in Congress supported a resolution sponsored by Pennsylvania Rep. Joseph Pitts denouncing the apostasy charge and calling for his immediate release.

“Iran has become more isolated because of their drive for nuclear weapons, and the fundamentalist government has stepped up persecution of religious minorities to deflect criticism,” Pitts, a Republican, told FoxNews.com. “The persecuted are their own citizens, whose only crime is practicing their faith.”

The ACLJ has been a major driving force in keeping Nadarkhani’s case in the international spotlight. Many other advocacy groups and human rights organizations also have mounted global campaigns and petitions against the Iranian government, and experts credit Nadarkhani’s international support for keeping him alive.

The ACLJ recently launched a Twitter campaign to publicize Nadarkhani’s case, asking participants to dedicate a daily tweet to “Tweet for Youcef,” stating the number of days he has been imprisoned (currently 863) and ending the tweet with “ViaOfficialACLJ,” sending readers back to the organization’s website where they could learn more about his case.

Tweets have reached 157 countries and over 400,000 people.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and 89 members of Congress, along with the European Union, France, Great Britain, Mexico and Germany, have condemned Iran for arresting Nadarkhani and have called for his quick release.

Nadarkhani was arrested in October 2009 and was tried and found guilty of apostasy by a lower court in Gilan, a province in Rasht. He was then given verbal notification of an impending death-by-hanging sentence.

His lawyers appealed the decision under the premise that Nadarkhani was never a Muslim at the age of majority, and the case was sent to Iran’s Supreme Court, which upheld the lower court’s decision of execution, provided it could be proven that he had been a practicing Muslim from the age of adulthood, 15 in Islamic law, to age 19, which was when he converted.

The lower court then ruled that Nadarkhani had not practiced Islam during his adult life but still upheld the apostasy charge because he was born into a Muslim family.

The court then gave Nadarkhani the opportunity to recant, as the law requires a man to be given three chances to recant his beliefs and return to Islam.

His first option was to convert back to Islam. When he refused, he was asked to declare Muhammad a prophet, and still he declined.

Iran’s judiciary had delayed in issuing a final verdict, fearing the decision would have far-reaching political implications.

Sources say Nadarkhani has been advised by family members, lawyers and members of his church to remain silent throughout his ordeal, out of fear that authorities may use his statements against him, a strategy commonly employed by the regime.


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Ahtman wrote:Dog bites man, more at 11.


That makes the news if the dog was not controlled and the man was not causing harm.

I hope he is freed. But if he isn't then at least Iran will have a positive example of a martyr. A martyr doesn't welcome death but will go to his end in peace rather than renounce his faith. Vast chasm of difference between that and the 'martyrs' they honour who strap bombs to themselves and seek out as big a radiii as possible of people who like differently.

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Orlanth wrote:
Ahtman wrote:Dog bites man, more at 11.


That makes the news if the dog was not controlled and the man was not causing harm.


You must be new here. Most people of age understand the phrase, but occasionally it slips past a few. No worries, I can help you out.

The phrase man bites dog is a shortened version of an aphorism in journalism which describes how an unusual, infrequent event is more likely to be reported as news than an ordinary, everyday occurrence with similar consequences, such as a dog biting a person ("dog bites man"). An event is usually considered more newsworthy if there is something unusual about it; a commonplace event is less likely to be seen as newsworthy, even if the consequences of both events have objectively similar outcomes. The result is that rarer events more often appear as news stories, while commoner events appear less often, thus distorting the perceptions of news consumers of what constitutes "normal" rates of occurrence.

The phenomenon is also described in the journalistic saying, "You never read about a plane that did not crash".

The phrase was coined by Alfred Harmsworth, a British newspaper magnate, but is also attributed to New York Sun editor John B. Bogart (1848–1921): "When a dog bites a man, that is not news, because it happens so often. But if a man bites a dog, that is news." The quote is also attributed to Charles Anderson Dana (1819–1897).

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I understand the phrase, however this is news, even if Iran has done such things before.

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Actually...
If you read the thread title what it actually says is:
'Iranian courts convict a Christian to death'
Didn't realise their convictions were so strong

Sorry this is a fairly serious subject...

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Orlanth wrote:
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You must be new here. Most people of age understand the phrase, but occasionally it slips past a few. No worries, I can help you out.


I understand the phrase, however this is news, even if Iran has done such things before.


A dog biting a man can be news as well, that doesn't mean it is surprising or unexpected. As even the definition I posted says, unusual things are more likely to be reported, not that they only report unusual stories. Iran persecuting a convert is about as surprising as finding out that you aren't the only person that sees the sky as blue.

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Heh...

God I hate this world. I wish everyone who was a fundamentalist nutjob would be killed, but then that would just create martyrs, and more would follow in their footsteps.

There is no real solution to any of these problems except for people to just leave each other the hell alone. People of different religions just shouldn't live anywhere near each other.

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I hope he and his family is reading the book of Daniel. I think the words in Daniel may give them strength, courage, and comfort. Sometimes faith is strengthened when faced with a crisis, sometimes faith is refined when one lives through that crisis.......but faith is always perfected when one doesn't.

Putting religion aside, I am not sure what the Iranian leadership thinks there is to be gained by putting this man to death for being Christian. It certainly will not enhance their image as a just society, nor the image of Muslims in general. Reflecting on this situation I recall talking with an Iranian student back in college. The person obviously was an Iranian patriot, proud of their country and the fact that they overthrew a corrupt dictatorship, and could not understand the hostility that some us felt towards this person's authentic belief that their country was a bastion of religious freedom, and how it was against Iranian law to prosecute anyone for their religious beliefs, though even then there was plenty of evidence to the contrary.

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Putting religion aside, I am not sure what the Iranian leadership thinks there is to be gained by putting this man to death for being Christian. It certainly will not enhance their image as a just society, nor the image of Muslims in general. Reflecting on this situation I recall talking with an Iranian student back in college. The person obviously was an Iranian patriot, proud of their country and the fact that they overthrew a corrupt dictatorship, and could not understand the hostility that some us felt towards this person's authentic belief that their country was a bastion of religious freedom, and how it was against Iranian law to prosecute anyone for their religious beliefs, though even then there was plenty of evidence to the contrary.



It is against Islamic law to commit apostasy, hence why he had been condemned to die.

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Horst wrote:There is no real solution to any of these problems except for people to just leave each other the hell alone. People of different religions just shouldn't live anywhere near each other.


Quite the contrary. IMO that's exactly what leads to this kind of evil. If you live beside, talk, work, trade, and eventually date and marry each other, you recognize each other as human beings. It's unfamiliarity and foreignness which allow us to dehumanize and really hate each other. Once you really know someone you can't hate them, unless they personally do something hateful.

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The more I read about it, the more I think, by god, Iran isn't a great place to live.

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The persecution of religious minorities has been going on for a very long time, and every instance is a tragedy, and I feel for this guy.

I am left wondering why this particular Iranian instance is making the news just now. It's almost like there's a tendency for the media to report on negative stories from countries the US happens to hate right now.

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I can't remember that Did Iran still uses bounty hunting against any fugitives on ground of religion/politics?


I'm still wonder why aren't there any hardcore americans in Thailand shoot any Iranian tourists as a retaliation to every innocents tried of 'heresy'?



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Stormrider wrote:
Lord of Deeds wrote:

Putting religion aside, I am not sure what the Iranian leadership thinks there is to be gained by putting this man to death for being Christian. It certainly will not enhance their image as a just society, nor the image of Muslims in general. Reflecting on this situation I recall talking with an Iranian student back in college. The person obviously was an Iranian patriot, proud of their country and the fact that they overthrew a corrupt dictatorship, and could not understand the hostility that some us felt towards this person's authentic belief that their country was a bastion of religious freedom, and how it was against Iranian law to prosecute anyone for their religious beliefs, though even then there was plenty of evidence to the contrary.



It is against Islamic law to commit apostasy, hence why he had been condemned to die.


Its not quite that simple, as apostasy doesn't necessarily require that one be put to death, but that is the tradition perspective.

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Lord of Deeds wrote:I hope he and his family is reading the book of Daniel. I think the words in Daniel may give them strength, courage, and comfort. Sometimes faith is strengthened when faced with a crisis, sometimes faith is refined when one lives through that crisis.......but faith is always perfected when one doesn't.

Putting religion aside, I am not sure what the Iranian leadership thinks there is to be gained by putting this man to death for being Christian. It certainly will not enhance their image as a just society, nor the image of Muslims in general. Reflecting on this situation I recall talking with an Iranian student back in college. The person obviously was an Iranian patriot, proud of their country and the fact that they overthrew a corrupt dictatorship, and could not understand the hostility that some us felt towards this person's authentic belief that their country was a bastion of religious freedom, and how it was against Iranian law to prosecute anyone for their religious beliefs, though even then there was plenty of evidence to the contrary.


dunno. that Iranian dude support the Komeini only because he doesn't want to be ruled over by a 'barbarian vassals'.
i guess he called you 'barbarian'. if you said that he held a national pride so high. but i believe he hates '300' and will call greeks 'barbarians'



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I'm not suprised, it is Iran after all.

 
   
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Horst wrote:There is no real solution to any of these problems except for people to just leave each other the hell alone. People of different religions just shouldn't live anywhere near each other.


Quite the contrary. IMO that's exactly what leads to this kind of evil. If you live beside, talk, work, trade, and eventually date and marry each other, you recognize each other as human beings. It's unfamiliarity and foreignness which allow us to dehumanize and really hate each other. Once you really know someone you can't hate them, unless they personally do something hateful.


Thats what the Egyptian Coptics thought. Thats what the Christians in Lebanon and Iraq thought. Thats what the Jews thought. It hasn't turned out well historically.

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sebster wrote:The persecution of religious minorities has been going on for a very long time, and every instance is a tragedy, and I feel for this guy.

I am left wondering why this particular Iranian instance is making the news just now. It's almost like there's a tendency for the media to report on negative stories from countries the US happens to hate right now.

No its been going on for some time.

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Ahtman wrote:
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Ahtman wrote:

You must be new here. Most people of age understand the phrase, but occasionally it slips past a few. No worries, I can help you out.


I understand the phrase, however this is news, even if Iran has done such things before.


A dog biting a man can be news as well, that doesn't mean it is surprising or unexpected. As even the definition I posted says, unusual things are more likely to be reported, not that they only report unusual stories. Iran persecuting a convert is about as surprising as finding out that you aren't the only person that sees the sky as blue.


You really make that sound like story not interesting enough. So who cares, let him die.

You do know that on apostasy charges there is normally clemency if the person converts back to Islam. With fluid execution dates, prim itive execution methods and that hanging over you I have no end of respect for this man and don't think its right to turn our backs on the story because its not original enough.

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What I don't understand is why he didn't say 'yea, he's a prophet". The christian faith recognises Mohammad as a Prophit much like Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophit. It's not renoucing your faith to admit this. But I feel for the guy, and really hope something is done.

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CoI wrote:What I don't understand is why he didn't say 'yea, he's a prophet". The christian faith recognises Mohammad as a Prophit much like Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophit. It's not renoucing your faith to admit this. But I feel for the guy, and really hope something is done.


Not this sect of Islam. These guys are hardcore fundamentalists. They read the Qur'ran and the Hadith's literally (at least the Mullahs and power brokers of the Islamic Republic of Iran do).

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CoI wrote:What I don't understand is why he didn't say 'yea, he's a prophet". The christian faith recognises Mohammad as a Prophit much like Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophit. It's not renoucing your faith to admit this. But I feel for the guy, and really hope something is done.


Not this sect of Islam. These guys are hardcore fundamentalists. They read the Qur'ran and the Hadith's literally (at least the Mullahs and power brokers of the Islamic Republic of Iran do).


A literal reading of the Qur'ran pretty much requires that Jesus be viewed as a prophet.

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CoI wrote:What I don't understand is why he didn't say 'yea, he's a prophet". The christian faith recognises Mohammad as a Prophit much like Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophit. It's not renoucing your faith to admit this. But I feel for the guy, and really hope something is done.


Not this sect of Islam. These guys are hardcore fundamentalists. They read the Qur'ran and the Hadith's literally (at least the Mullahs and power brokers of the Islamic Republic of Iran do).


A literal reading of the Qur'ran pretty much requires that Jesus be viewed as a prophet.


...and that all followers of the other prophets will be subjected to the jizzya because they are khaffirs.

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Orlanth wrote:
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Orlanth wrote:
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You must be new here. Most people of age understand the phrase, but occasionally it slips past a few. No worries, I can help you out.


I understand the phrase, however this is news, even if Iran has done such things before.


A dog biting a man can be news as well, that doesn't mean it is surprising or unexpected. As even the definition I posted says, unusual things are more likely to be reported, not that they only report unusual stories. Iran persecuting a convert is about as surprising as finding out that you aren't the only person that sees the sky as blue.


You really make that sound like story not interesting enough. So who cares, let him die.


I am shocked that you, of all people, would interpret in such a negative so you could profer some offhand remark insinuating callousness on my part. Not being surprised that Iran is acting like Iran is no where near the same thing as being apathetic toward the mans suffering. I'm just not surprised he is suffering. Iran persecuting a Christian, and convert from Islam to boot, is about as unexpected as a dog biting a man. Noting that isn't the same thing as not being empathetic. I would be happy to hear that he is let go or somehow were to get away, but I am not holding my breath. It isn't even a difficult distinction to make. Making the leap from "it isn't surprising" to "you don't care about other humans" is a pretty good example of a pessimistic and negative mindset, though. Before calling others out on such things you may want to figure out where your own head is at.

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Horst wrote:Heh...

God I hate this world. I wish everyone who was a fundamentalist nutjob would be killed, but then that would just create martyrs, and more would follow in their footsteps.

There is no real solution to any of these problems except for people to just leave each other the hell alone. People of different religions just shouldn't live anywhere near each other.


Which, ironically, is a bit of a fundamental nutjob thing to say...

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