Necrons (9.3 W.I.P. Necron lord)

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**GoldfishSM**

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**Chowderhead**

Well, besides the fact that I'm disgusted with the army, the plan sounds nice.

I hope it comes out well, and then spontaneously catches on fire.

**Bounty**

GoldfishSM wrote:in nazi theme
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All versions above include also red flag with white circle and logo.

All ideas can be changed and new ideas are wanted!

Thanks for your help and advice!

I've out everything that didn't have anything to do in the least with Nazis. Now all you're left with is a non-specific flag that you've already stated you're not adding the traditional logo to.

So you're not making Necron nazis.

My advice - Fix the title and save yourself the flame storm you're about to catch

**GoldfishSM**

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**gregor_xenos**

Guess you could GS little moustaches on some of them.
Do some shoulder pads black w/ silver trim (SS)
Do some shoulder pads tan/brown (Gestapo)
GS some jack-boots too!

**ph34r**

Bounty wrote:So you're not making Necron nazis.

My advice - Fix the title and save yourself the flame storm you're about to catch

I think everyone here is getting way more worked up than they should.

This is the source/inspiration:

It's a parody. If you shy away from calling them space nazis, then they aren't space nazis any more. This is not an army of "totally not nazis", it's an army of silly space nazis.

**gregor_xenos**

lol.... Will totally go see that.

**Bounty**

ph34r wrote:
Bounty wrote:So you're not making Necron nazis.

My advice - Fix the title and save yourself the flame storm you're about to catch
I think everyone here is getting way more worked up than they should.

This is the source/inspiration:
Video
Video
It's a parody. If you shy away from calling them space nazis, then they aren't space nazis any more. This is not an army of "totally not nazis", it's an army of silly space nazis.

For everyone who's seen that, it will be obvious. For everyone who's not seen that the INSTANT reference will be the inspiration for that film.

Also, when dealing with Necrons in particular, it's a dicy topic. Remember that the fluff has Necron Death Camps, where entire planets were marched in, exicuted, and thier souls harvested. Yes, we're a little worked up; the nice, normal, center of the road kind of gamers are worked up by the concept. What happens when you encounter someone who actually feels strongly about this?

**Lint**

Do whatever you want with the army, but damn I'm going to see that movie. Probably twice.

**Kroothawk**

You should ask your store and potential opponents first if they are fine with you bringing a nazi army. Even if you use the symbols of current neo nazis (the flag you described).

**Frazzled**

GoldfishSM wrote:I watched trailer of Iron Sky (Good job Finland!) and those space nazis inspired me to make necrons in nazi theme.
Of course I change cross logo to something other. But now I need some ideas and help planning color scheme and conversions.

What I´ve already planned:

Commander are going to have mantles.
I make my Immortals from normal Warriors. They need something (clothes) so I can easily figure that which ones are which.

Color scheme variations (new proposals are welcome):

Dark grey body, lighter mantles, orange or blue light effects to weapons an eyes

Dark bronze body, grey mantles (not as lighted as above), blue or orange effects

Dark brown body, grey mantles, blue or orange effects

All versions above include also red flag with white circle and logo.

I make vehicles myself. At least some parts of them. By that I mean mixing kits and other materials. I can try to send picture of my plans this far tomorrow.
Scythes are round shaped.
Arks are more like flying ships, little bit Dark Eldar style but not even close. So open-topped and so on.
All vehicles could include kick ass motors.
I like also to use LED light if possible because they just are too cool! Freehanded women and Rainbow Dash might be included.

All ideas can be changed and new ideas are wanted!

Thanks for your help and advice!

Lose the cross logo and you're ok. Since you're halfway there I'd suggest you think about tweaking the models a little more, keep the necron rules, and make it a counts as Iron Man army (goes with your Iron Sky shtick).

If you remember the Star Trek episode where they went to an alternate reality the symbol for the Human Empire was a planet with a sword through it. That couold be an icon to put on your ships etc.

**AegisGrimm**

I totally agree with the alt Trek Empire emblem, or how about the traditional German army flag rather than anything reminiscent of Nazis? The Iron Cross would look cool for a flying saucer army.

**Frazzled**

sort of like this

**Phyrexia**

I think it will be fine as long as you explain the reference.

This also reminds me of the time some guy posted his confederate imperial guard army in the painting and modeling section......

**ghostmaker**

Please do this it will be awesome. If people care they are being silly. :p

**Joyous_Oblivion**

Guess everyone who plays SS in Flames of War are evil too...

I like the concept, people need to wake up and stop being so uptight

**Red_Starrise**

I don't understand why everyone gets so hyped up about this sorta thing. I mean, I realize that the word Nazi does bring out the worst thoughts, but I find myself wondering if someone said "I'm theming my IG army on WWII Luftwaffe during the Blitz" would people get so upset? They were Nazis then as well... Also, the OP said theming, not making them actual Nazis (though Necrons are far far worse IMHO).

To the OP, say they're themed after "Iron Sky" not Nazis & I bet you a fiver you'll draw less fire.

**Bounty**

Joyous_Oblivion wrote:Guess everyone who plays SS in Flames of War are evil too...

I like the concept, people need to wake up and stop being so uptight

Only when they WIN

But seriously, there's a difference between playing an evil faction in a game, be it Nazi, Necron, Sauron, or DM, and supporting, (exalting, venerating, or whatever adjective you want to use ) a very real evil by modeling their faction after them by choice. The general feeling we get from someone modeling an army after a theme is that think the theme is cool, that you support, in some way, the agenda of the group modeled. So this says, at our gut reaction level "Look at me, I support discrimination and genocide!"

Of course it's always more complex than this, and I could wax on for hours about the place of the Swastika in both eastern spiritualism, and Native American tradition, but there's a time and a place for political, sociological, and spiritual debates and statements. Dakka isn't either. And the paint job on your army isn't always the best place for one either.

**sluggaslugga**

I think it's a pretty original idea. I don't know about the straight reference to the nazis, but give the guy a break, if he offers no harm to anyone, or isn't doing this for making his opponent angry, the idea of "SPEHHS NHEKRONZ" could actually work pretty well.

You could look for some inspiration on the clothes from Death Korps of Krieg commisar and company commander uniforms.
Ulsarkar E. Creed is also a source of inspiration.

**Elezaar**

Time to catch some of the heat: I find nothing wrong with painting an army with nazi imagery. It's a game, and a game that already has heavy nazi imagery to begin with. I just got done painting a steel legion panzer division, and people called foul, even though the little lightening bolt on the Steel Legion looks like one S form an SS. So to celebrate my sudden evilness after people (who were never in a war, nor old enough to really be directly affected by anything a nazi did other than have a cell phone getting signal from a satellite put in space using nazi technology) said that playing them in a fictional setting is wrong. So I did what any self-respecting jerk would do: I bought Iron Cross dice. My first match for the tourney was a Smurfs army painted to be lead by Captain America. I challenged his Captain to one on one combat with my LC, marched him onto the field, got smacked down by America like The War, and we had a grand old time.In short, as long as he's not actually calling for the extinction of other human races and working towards the extinction of alien races, it's ok in the fascist 40k world.

Big Smile!

**copper.talos**

You don't have to be directly affected by WW2 to hate nazis. They executed millions of people in furnaces & gas chambers to save time & bullets, just because they were born! So yes a nazi themed army can cause a lot of distress.

Anyway I think if the parody level is high enough, it won't be a real problem. On the other hand one could do WW1 Suckerpunch style necrons. Noone is going to have a problem with that.

**Ratius**

Got any pics or WIP shots?
I still dont see what you're driving at tbh.

**Phototoxin**

copper.talos wrote:You don't have to be directly affected by WW2 to hate nazis. They executed millions of people in furnaces & gas chambers to save time & bullets, just because they were born! So yes a nazi themed army can cause a lot of distress.

You don't have to be directly affected by WW2 to hate Russians. They executed millions of people in purges , just because they were born! So yes a Russian themed army can cause a lot of distress.

You don't have to be directly affected by WW2 to hate Japaneese. They executed millions of people in labour camps & raping of villages, just because they were born! So yes a Japaneese themed army can cause a lot of distress.

You don't have to be directly affected by the WW2 to hate America. They executed Tens of thousands(?) of people by dropping the only nuclear bombs every to be used in a war to save time & bullets, just because they were born! So yes a US themed army can cause a lot of distress.

/irony

**TheHarleqwin**

If people want to get political, let's throw in that there are people that play IG that paint them as the Red Army. Stalin killed millions more than the Nazis ever did. To that, let's hit the people that run a red/white/blue colour scheme: while the kill count is lower, they're credited for well over 100K civilian deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq, plus you can add the bombing of Japan, etc. I find all that to be as morally reprehensible as any other warcrime, but would I call foul because of someone else's interests and inspirations? No, probably not. You'd have to depict whatever army actually committing atrocities before I'd feel uncomfortable.

People who have an issue with it are too uptight in my opinion. This does not change the fact that there will be people upset by your idea, and though unfair, may result in your removal from various events and stores.

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Phototoxin wrote:

You don't have to be directly affected by WW2 to hate Russians. They executed millions of people in purges , just because they were born! So yes a Russian themed army can cause a lot of distress.

You don't have to be directly affected by WW2 to hate Japaneese. They executed millions of people in labour camps & raping of villages, just because they were born! So yes a Japaneese themed army can cause a lot of distress.

You don't have to be directly affected by the WW2 to hate America. They executed Tens of thousands(?) of people by dropping the only nuclear bombs every to be used in a war to save time & bullets, just because they were born! So yes a US themed army can cause a lot of distress.

/irony

QFT

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Just don't be surprised when you are not allowed to put them in a tournament

**GoldfishSM**

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**Norn King**

Maybe you could stick with imagery from the third reich sort of era. I assume the look you are going for is the spiky helmet, lots of eagles sort of theme. it does not have to be Nazi to be have the 19th century German look.

**heartserenade**

I actually have ancestors who had a hard time because of the Japanese and Americans during the World War. If it helps, it won't bother me if you play a Japanese or American-themed army.

**Frazzled**

Joyous_Oblivion wrote:Guess everyone who plays SS in Flames of War are evil too...

I like the concept, people need to wake up and stop being so uptight

Thats because Flames of War involves and actual war and actual units. This does not.

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We wrote:Just don't be surprised when you are not allowed to put them in a tournament

Exactly. If you want to bring real life (TM) into gaming, don't be surprised when real life (TM) bites back.

**copper.talos**

Phototoxin wrote:
copper.talos wrote:You don't have to be directly affected by WW2 to hate nazis. They executed millions of people in furnaces & gas chambers to save time & bullets, just because they were born! So yes a nazi themed army can cause a lot of distress.

You don't have to be directly affected by WW2 to hate Russians. They executed millions of people in purges , just because they were born! So yes a Russian themed army can cause a lot of distress.

You don't have to be directly affected by WW2 to hate Japaneese. They executed millions of people in labour camps & raping of villages, just because they were born! So yes a Japaneese themed army can cause a lot of distress.

You don't have to be directly affected by the WW2 to hate America. They executed Tens of thousands(?) of people by dropping the only nuclear bombs every to be used in a war to save time & bullets, just because they were born! So yes a US themed army can cause a lot of distress.

/irony

Soviets (and not russians) killed millions of people in the Soviet Union. So yes, if yoy play a Soviet themed army in Georgia you will cause a lot of distress
Imperial Japan (and not Japan as we know it) killed millions of chinese and koreans and did some gruesome experiments on them. So yes if you play an Imperial Japan themed army in China or Korea you will cause a lot of distress (and probably a bed in emergency health care of a hospital).
USA themed armies don't cause any distress in most countries, because most people believe they did their best to save the world from the Nazis. But I wouldn't recommend playing a USA themed army in Vietnam. That's reality. You want to talk finer points of history? Allied war crimes and such? I'm game. But concerning this guy, if he puts a swastiga or go full nazi on his army, he'll probably get kicked out of tournaments more times that he'll be allowed to join. He can do a German or Imperial German themed armies and be OK.