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Decrepit Dakkanaut






Omadon's Realm

I'd like to ask folks to put their actual reviews on the new GW range of paints here, in this thread.

I am very keen to hear from anyone who's using them in an airbrush, how they mix with medium, how they run in the gun etc.

Is the new Devlan Mud as good as Devlan Mud?

Have we lost some colours for good?



 
   
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Just for starters I used the white foundation today, over a black undercoat it went over in 2 coats (and 1 gave acceptable coverage), which I found fairly impressive.

Also the new red ink is darker than Baal red

and, the blue ink is MUCH darker (and almost smoky) when compared to asurmen blue, lets just hope there is another one which is a closer match
(did a side by side earlier on both of these earlier today)

The new base red is very nice (and similar to blood red), but way different to mechrite.

Finally the texture paints.... they seem good but... will need multiple coats, I forsee them being quite useful for mudding up tanks etc.
   
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Norn Queen






Dublin, Ireland

Bumped out of genuine interest, stayed away from the other paint threads but would love to know a bit more on whats changed and why.

Anyonr tried what used to be enchanted and regal blue (Mordian colors)?

Also are the tubs still the same/changed?

Anywhere to see a list of old names VS new?


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Ratius wrote:

Also are the tubs still the same/changed?

Anywhere to see a list of old names VS new?



Some pots are the same (til gw run out of the old ones) while some are new, with a sort of shark fin to hold the lid open
   
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Ah! the old lid closing problem :(

Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be

By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.

"Feelin' goods, good enough". 
   
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Ratius wrote:

Anywhere to see a list of old names VS new?



Here you go:

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2320033a_Citadel_Conversion_Chart

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Thank you MKN!

Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be

By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.

"Feelin' goods, good enough". 
   
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Ratius wrote:Thank you MKN!


You're welcome!


Back on topic, Sirius42, you said that white foundation covered black in only 2 coats.

Did you apply the paint straight from the pot or did you add water first?
This second question is a bit redundant but how thick was the coat of paint in the end?

Thanks in advance for answering me, that little pot of white really intrigues me!

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"this is a first in naval history, a torpedo sunk a truck!" McHale's Navy

"In confusion there is profit."

 
   
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Related Q: Did Gw change their spray can ranges?

Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be

By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.

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on the forum. Obviously

No by the looks of it. They appear to be the same.
I have not had a chance to try the new paints, sadly. I have too many of the old ones to work with.

What I have
~4100
~1660

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I have tried them out.

They are impressive, but will annoy many people.

The closing lid problem: NOW EVEN WORSE! Was basing some green on my kroot and had to physically open the lid every time. I think they did this for the people who pour out paint onto an mixing patter. Smart..... Gets people to waste their pant.....

The colors are much darker. they are also overall thinner. The paints are now set up that you do have to use each step.

These paints are a god send for the golden deamon style painters. They are very nice and you do have to go over each model several times with different paints to get a desired effect.

The people, like me, that are looking to be able to go over with a thicker coat of paint to smooth out edges or dimples are going to hate this paint.

The dry brush paints are interesting. They work well, but you have to have a fairly stiff brush and plan on messing up the first few times you use it. I would still recommend them though.

OVERALL OPINION:
If you are a thinning out, color adder, 20 layer, every model has to be perfect kind of painter then you are going to love these paints
If you are just starting out painting, or are used to old paints and how to work with them, you may not like them like myself.

Worth a try, But do not go out and buy 30 pots until you have used them.
   
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Adelaide, Australia

Um, i have already got a thread like this, just so you know guys

Notice: If you notice this notice you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing
 
   
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Dublin, Ireland

:(
Didnt see it NK, no offense mate.

Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be

By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.

"Feelin' goods, good enough". 
   
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M'Kachen's Nemesis wrote:
Ratius wrote:

Anywhere to see a list of old names VS new?



Here you go:

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2320033a_Citadel_Conversion_Chart


It should be noted, however, that this conversion chart should be taken with a grain of salt.

For example: Mephiston Red, which is given as the old Mechrite Red equivalent, is way brighter than Mechrite Red. I wasn´t able to get a good enough look at the other colors yet to determin if they are better matches, but if you absolutely need a certain shade of color you better hurry and get it while it´s still available.

Annother question I have:
Does anyone know if the Brush-on Primer is actually a Primer? The spray cans (not actually declared as primer afaik) are or were at least only Chaos Black without any primer characteristics.

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Bought - 81
Build/Converted - 121/1
Painted - 26 
   
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Norristown, PA

The new lids don't stay open at all? sad news indeed if so :( Looks like I'll be sticking with Vallejo now if that's the case

 
   
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Scotland, Ardrishaig, argyll and bute.

I personally like the new paints and bought the big bundle pack and it is really worth while.

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Has anyone tried Averland Sunset, and if so, how good is it? How well does it cover a black undercoat?

Driven away from WH40K by rules bloat and the expense of keeping up, now interested in smaller model count games and anything with nifty mechanics. 
   
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M'Kachen's Nemesis wrote:
Ratius wrote:Thank you MKN!


You're welcome!


Back on topic, Sirius42, you said that white foundation covered black in only 2 coats.

Did you apply the paint straight from the pot or did you add water first?
This second question is a bit redundant but how thick was the coat of paint in the end?

Thanks in advance for answering me, that little pot of white really intrigues me!

That was straight from the pot. All the paints are a bit thinner, apparently they've intentionally designed them all to be used straight from the pot, no thinning required. I have to say the white gave a very smooth coat. On the issue of lids, those who were saying they didn't stay open were you using pots with the new 'shark fin' as I found these stayed open no probs (was told this fin cost £30k to develop, if so someone is laughing smugly after making some easy money.

I'm going to buy the white tomorrow so I will take a pic after its been used. In fact that's not a bad idea, to all buying new paints if you can put up side by sides of new vs old ( maybe a couple of coats over white) would give us all a better idea of how accurate the conversion table is, Ill put mine up when I've bought some.
   
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Jacksonville, NC

Has anyone tried out the new 'Glaze' on any models? those looked like they might have potential.
   
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Glaze is basically a wash but tints the surface more rather than running into the gaps so much.
   
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Thank you Sirius42, do you like the Glazes yourself?
   
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I.ve only used the bright green one and it was fine, cant think what i'd ever do with it but it works, in white dwarf a guy painted eldar guardians by just putting on multiple glazes and the result was quite nice but we'll see.
   
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here you go, Agrax Earth Shade and Devlan Mud are compared next to each other, amongst other duplicate colours i picked up today.

Notice how the new sotek green is infact nowhere near as good at covering as my early 90's hawk turquoise. I didnt have a Hawk Turquoise from the recent range to compare it to, sorry.
edit; oh and the grainy texture you can see in the devlan mud / agrax earth shade is just the heavy cartridge paper that I painted it onto.

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In front of my computer

Sirius42 wrote:
M'Kachen's Nemesis wrote:
Ratius wrote:Thank you MKN!


You're welcome!


Back on topic, Sirius42, you said that white foundation covered black in only 2 coats.

Did you apply the paint straight from the pot or did you add water first?
This second question is a bit redundant but how thick was the coat of paint in the end?

Thanks in advance for answering me, that little pot of white really intrigues me!

That was straight from the pot. All the paints are a bit thinner, apparently they've intentionally designed them all to be used straight from the pot, no thinning required. I have to say the white gave a very smooth coat. On the issue of lids, those who were saying they didn't stay open were you using pots with the new 'shark fin' as I found these stayed open no probs (was told this fin cost £30k to develop, if so someone is laughing smugly after making some easy money.

I'm going to buy the white tomorrow so I will take a pic after its been used. In fact that's not a bad idea, to all buying new paints if you can put up side by sides of new vs old ( maybe a couple of coats over white) would give us all a better idea of how accurate the conversion table is, Ill put mine up when I've bought some.


Thanks for the info!

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"In confusion there is profit."

 
   
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jazzpaintball wrote:

The closing lid problem: NOW EVEN WORSE! Was basing some green on my kroot and had to physically open the lid every time. I think they did this for the people who pour out paint onto an mixing patter. Smart..... Gets people to waste their pant.....



The closing lid problem will be solved soon, they are just using up old pots at the moment. The newer ones have a little fin thing to keep the lid open
   
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I did notice that the new paints are in a mix of new and old pots now. I guessed they're just running old stock out, which makes good sense - I'm all for global conservation where atall possible (gripe on finecast not being remoldable hence they now waste miscast material unlike the metals which can be remelted and used again and again untill its right)

The brand new pot design has a little fin that will hold the lid open (if opened fully and correctly). Not only does it hold the lid open, it does so far enough open so that the little paint dispensing area does not contact the rim of the pot. I guess that should help reduce how much paint makes its way up into the seal. Also brand new pots are now sealed, you have to break the lid open. This will eliminate any chance of getting a used pot, and should equate to a brand new pot always being the same consistency rather than getting thicker and thicker the longer no-one buys it!
One thing that concerns me is that this is the first time that GW have deemed it neccessary to seal the pots properly, does that mean that the new paint formula will dry out in the pot too quickly once the seal is broken, or are they just being considerate time will tell.

Personally I couldn't give a toss about this fin, as I use a pallette, and always close my paints up as quickly as possible. I do that because upon getting back into the hobby, I dug my old paints out. A full set of the screw top pots(late 90's) (every single colour they did) all dried out, while paint from before that in flip top pots, hexagonal(mid 90's), and round(early 90's) and unlabeled(80's) remains perfectly usable to this day. Some are 2 decades old! While everysingle colour from the late 90's is unusable because the pots sucked basically.

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Leicester, UK

I'll experiment more tomorrow, but I love the new shades. They flow into recesses without pooling and are much more noticable than the older ones. Carroberg Crimson poops onto Baal Red from a great height.

I noticed the new pots have a bigger lip to make them easier to open, they have that little hook on the back of the hinge too. The ones I bought also were sealed with perforated 'tabs' along the base of the lid that you rip open to first get into the paint. A good way of seeing if it's a new pot or not.

Mephiston Red is nice, but over a black undercoat it's certainly not the one-coat miracle red some made it out to be. Much better than Blood Red, but still not quite what GW would have you believe. I'd take the one-coat thing with a pinch of salt, particularly if you're a paint thinner downer.

Oh and for what it's worth, the dimple on top of the lid stands out much more than it did - pots now stack upon each other a lot easier. Possibly pointless outside of the paint rack at GW, but something I noticed.

Quick colour comparison: Old Camo Green VS New Elysian Green. Conclusion: Paint seems a bit thinner, pot is superior, colour... pretty much identical as far as I can make out. Certainly close enough for me and my Camo Green Cygnar army.

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Wow, I didn't think they would be that close, thanks!

 
   
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np, They are reasonably close.
The most notably different is bleached bone and ushabti bone. Personally I usualy use that colour for drybrushing or mixing in to make highlight colours. So the difference will show even less.
The actual differecne is that the new one is a richer tone of the same colour, you could say that its a tiny bit (a few % maybe) more brown.
I think a spot of white into Ushabti Bone would make it spot on tbh.

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Just used the Imperial Primer. It has less of a sheen and a bit more matte than say Chaos Black out of the pot. Has no grainy texture compared to my Duplicolor sandable primer so can't say how much "bite" it'll have on paint. All in all, I would say it could pass as a decent brush on primer.

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