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Hungry Little Ripper






I have been working on my tournament list for a local tourney and I have 1 problem.... I'm over 90 points....I have a few solutions I have been toying with but none of them make me happy. First I thought I could drop Crow and run with Inquisitor Coteaz. That would save me 50 points and I could drop the Psybolt Ammo on both my strike squads and save the other 40 to get me the 90. There is one major problem with that. That would drop my troop composition to below 35% and my elite composition up to like 60-ish. This would destroy my overall army composition score. The other option would be to drop some units... but the thought just makes me sick...

Anyone have any comments or thoughts on what you would do? I'm open to suggestions and or comments on how to deal with this particular rosters(style) composition issues.

Army = 2090
HQ
Crow 150

TROOPS
Strike Squad 295
Justicar-MC DH
GK's-2 Psycannons
GK's-7
Psybolt Ammunition
Rhino

Strike Squad 295
Justicar-MC DH
GK's-2 Psycannons
GK's-7
Psybolt Ammunition
Rhino

Purifier Squad 360
Knight of the Flame-MC DH
Purifier-4 Psycannons
Purifier-5 Force Halberd
Psybolt Ammunition
Rhino

Purifier Squad 360
Knight of the Flame-MC DH
Purifier-4 Psycannons
Purifier-5 Force Halberd
Psybolt Ammunition
Rhino

Purifier Squad 360
Knight of the Flame-MC DH
Purifier-4 Psycannons
Purifier-5 Force Halberd
Psybolt Ammunition
Rhino

Heavy Support
Dreadnought 135
2 TL AC
Psybolt Ammunition

Heavy Support
Dreadnought 135
2 TL AC
Psybolt Ammunition


P.S. please only leave helpful comments and leave the QQ at home thanks!!! =)

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Dallas Texas

I dont think you have optimal use of the psycannons.

You see Grey Knight armies have a formula for how good they are based on how many psycannons they have.

Total # Of Psycannons(4)/PointLevel = Max Psycannon Pwnage.

16(4)/2000 = .032 Psycannon Factorial.

You need atleast a .05 Psycannon Factorial to be a competitive GK player, so please re-do your list to have more psycannons.


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I changed up the roster a little bit and it fixed my composition problems as well. Please let me know what you think... I appreciate all constructive comments.

Total Points =1999

HQ
Crow 150

TROOPS
Purifier Squad 209
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Psybolt Ammo
Rhino

Purifier Squad 209
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Psybolt Ammo
Rhino

Purifier Squad 209
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Psybolt Ammo
Rhino

Purifier Squad 209
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Psybolt Ammo
Rhino

Purifier Squad 209
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Psybolt Ammo
Rhino

Purifier Squad 209
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Psybolt Ammo
Rhino

HEAVY
Purgation Squad 200
Justicar
GK- 4 Psycannons
Psybolt Ammo

Purgation Squad 200
Justicar
GK- 4 Psycannons
Psybolt Ammo

ELITE
Venerable Dreadnought 195
2 TL AC
Psybolt Ammo

With this set up I have good psycannon presence although using the formula above I am still below the .05 at .0402. But i figured the added psyfleman dread will help with that. He may be a target but I think its a risk worth taking.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/05/02 05:14:43


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Just make a 10 man purifier squad down to a 5-man. Probably more than 90 points saved that way. Could make their rhino a razorback with psybolt heavy bolter.

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Smitty0305 wrote:I dont think you have optimal use of the psycannons.

You see Grey Knight armies have a formula for how good they are based on how many psycannons they have.

Total # Of Psycannons(4)/PointLevel = Max Psycannon Pwnage.

16(4)/2000 = .032 Psycannon Factorial.

You need atleast a .05 Psycannon Factorial to be a competitive GK player, so please re-do your list to have more psycannons.



That's a joke, right?

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Hungry Little Ripper






He seems pretty serious =) At least I took it that way. But I have a habit of taking candy from strangers =")

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Crazyterran wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:I dont think you have optimal use of the psycannons.

You see Grey Knight armies have a formula for how good they are based on how many psycannons they have.

Total # Of Psycannons(4)/PointLevel = Max Psycannon Pwnage.

16(4)/2000 = .032 Psycannon Factorial.

You need atleast a .05 Psycannon Factorial to be a competitive GK player, so please re-do your list to have more psycannons.



That's a joke, right?


Look at the GK lists from adepticon this year, most of them that are good are over 0.04, and at or above .05

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Any thoughts on the revised version ?

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Take out the Purgation squads and the ven dread, and give the list 3 RifleDreds with psy ammo and you got a pretty mean list.

5000+ pts. Eldar 2500pts
"The only thing that match's the Eldar's firepower, is their arrogance".
8th General at Alamo GT 2011.
Tied 2nd General Alamo GT 2012
Top General Lower Bracket Railhead 2011
Top General Railhead 2012
# of Local Tournaments Won: 4
28-9-1 In Tournaments As Eldar.
Maintained a 75% Win Ratio As Eldar in 5th Edition GT's.



 
   
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Hungry Little Ripper






Ok so with some corrections I think this list is fairly nasty... Check it out..

Pts=1999

HQ
Crow 150

TROOPS
Purifier Squad 209
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Psybolt Ammo
Rhino

Purifier Squad 209
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Psybolt Ammo
Rhino

Purifier Squad 209
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Psybolt Ammo
Rhino

Purifier Squad 209
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Psybolt Ammo
Rhino

Purifier Squad 209
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Psybolt Ammo
Rhino

Purifier Squad 209
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Psybolt Ammo
Rhino

HEAVY
Psyfleman Dread 135

Psyfleman Dread 135

Psyfleman Dread 135

ELITE
Ven Psyfleman Dread 190


This is list is DIIIIRRRTTYYYYY! I love it.... Please let me know what you think....


Shout out to Smitty for all the help! Cheers!

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why the psybolts on all of the squads? As far as I know psybolts don't affect psycannons.... and if you are spending 20pts for 3 stormbolters in the squad, that'd be kind of a waste....

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Wow you are so right..... NEWB!!!! <---- GK's are my new newest investment so I apologize about that.

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kakashir0x wrote:why the psybolts on all of the squads? As far as I know psybolts don't affect psycannons.... and if you are spending 20pts for 3 stormbolters in the squad, that'd be kind of a waste....


this, and a guy named mercer runs the exact same list you just posted and has alot of batreps

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Hungry Little Ripper






So thank you again Smitty and Kaka I appreciate the excellent advice even if it is pointing out little things like the psybolt ammo. So after taking off the 120pts for the psybolt ammo I am left with this... I didn't know what else i could get for 120pts that would really beef up the list... so I added Coteaz.

Thoughts?

Pts=1984

HQ
Crow 150
Inquisitor Coteaz 100

TROOPS
Purifier Squad 189
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Rhino

Purifier Squad 189
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Rhino

Purifier Squad 189
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Rhino

Purifier Squad 189
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Rhino

Purifier Squad 189
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Rhino

Purifier Squad 189
Knight of the Flame - DaemonhammerGK
GK- 2 Psycannons
GK- 2 Force Halberd
Rhino

HEAVY
Psyfleman Dread 135

Psyfleman Dread 135

Psyfleman Dread 135

ELITE
Ven Psyfleman Dread 195

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Instead of Coteaz, i would suggest getting a strike squad in there to mess with any deepstriking stuff.

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I don't know why people complain about GK so much... It's just a game, and nobody complains about Mephiston... So why complain about Draigo? 
   
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Hmm I'll toy with the list when I get off work. Thanks for the advice.

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