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Some of the quotes in this made me laugh out loud.

Osama Bin Laden documents released

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17941778

Some documents suggest that the group had a strained relationship with Iran.
Newly released papers from Osama Bin Laden's hideout reveal a frustrated al-Qaeda leader struggling to control an unruly network, the US military says.

The documents seized during the raid on the Abbottabad compound were posted online by the research wing of the US military academy, West Point.

The papers show he was unhappy with affiliates' attacks on fellow Muslims, urging them to target the US instead.

Seventeen documents were released from a cache of more than 6,000.

The 175-page cache was posted online by the US Military Academy's Combating Terrorism Center - in the week marking a year since Bin Laden's death.

'Vile mistakes'
The papers date from September 2006 to April 2011 and include letters from other al-Qaeda leaders.

Letters reveal al-Qaeda's exasperation with the way Tehran handled the release of detainees, including members of Bin Laden's family, expressing annoyance that the Iranians "do not wish to appear to be negotiating with us or responding to our pressures".

Meanwhile, there is no explicit reference to any institutional support from Pakistan, where the al-Qaeda leader lived for nine years.

The papers make mention of "trusted Pakistani brothers", but one reference suggests Bin Laden was wary of Pakistani intelligence.

He gave instructions to family members travelling to Pakistan to make sure they were not followed - in case the local intelligence chief trailed them to his location.

The documents also shed light on Bin Laden's concerns that Muslims were being alienated by the ideology of jihad.

In a letter from 2010, Bin Laden wrote of "starting a new phase to correct [the mistakes] we made".

"In doing so, we shall reclaim, God willing, the trust of a large segment of those who lost their trust in the jihadis," he wrote.

In its executive summary on the documents, the US military says they reveal Bin Laden's frustration with affiliated organisations and his powerlessness to control their actions, including:

The al-Qaeda leader was advised by his California-born media adviser Adam Gadahn to distance his network from al-Qaeda in Iraq because of the latter's perceived failures
His lieutenants threatened to take measures against the leadership of the Pakistani Taliban for their "vile mistakes", including indiscriminate attacks on Muslims
Bin Laden wrote a strongly worded letter to al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula urging them to focus on attacking the US, instead of the Yemeni government or security forces
Bin Laden saw little to gain from a pledge of allegiance to al-Qaeda from the Somali radical insurgent group al-Shabab, which he viewed as poorly organised
The letters reveal that Bin Laden was also sceptical of so-called lone wolf missions by homegrown jihadists.

He urged his associates "not to send a single brother on a suicide operation; they should send at least two".

He added that in cases when only one militant undertook an operation the "percentage of success was low due to psychological factors that affect the [designated] brother in such a situation".

Other papers suggest Bin Laden ordered his militants to look out for opportunities to assassinate President Obama or David Petraeus during any of their visits to Pakistan and Afghanistan. Mr Petraeus, now CIA director, formerly commanded international forces in Afghanistan.

But Bin Laden warned them not to bother targeting Vice-President Joe Biden because "Biden is totally unprepared for that post [of president], which will lead the US into a crisis."

In a letter from April 2011, the al-Qaeda leader discusses the Arab Spring, calling it a "formidable event" in the history of Muslims and expressing hope they can influence events through media outreach and "guidance".

The correspondence suggests that Bin Laden's inner circle closely monitored US news media.

Al-Qaeda media adviser Adam Gadahn described ABC News as "all right, actually it could be one of the best channels as far as we are concerned", but he said Fox News "falls into the abyss" and "lacks neutrality".

He also felt al-Qaeda had not been given credit for America's economic downturn, according to documents from 2010.

"All the political talk in America is about the economy, forgetting or ignoring the war and its role in weakening the economy," wrote Mr Gadahn.

Earlier this week, White House counter-terrorism chief John Brennan said Bin Laden's papers reinforced the view that the US was safer without him.

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Fox news "falls into the abyss"

You know its gone to rat gak when Al Queda think you lack neutrality.

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mattyrm wrote:Fox news "falls into the abyss"

You know its gone to rat gak when Al Queda think you lack neutrality.


Al Queda should of followed it's true calling. Comedy.
also, accurate portrayals of news networks

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Hmm. I think a lot of people have been underestimating Al-Queda... Especially myself... There's no way we would've traveled half way across the world unless they were an actual threat, which it seems like they definitely are. (yeahyeah, I hear you )

I wonder if that bit about Biden is.... appropriate? Seems slightly detrimental to national security, even if it's a fact that we come to grips with. Looking at the last administration, I'd say Cheney would have been even MORE competent than Little Georgie, which would have made him a target..


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mattyrm wrote:Fox news "falls into the abyss"

You know its gone to rat gak when Al Queda think you lack neutrality.


And it liked ABC news. What does that say? Oh yea what know what that says.

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Frazzled wrote:
mattyrm wrote:Fox news "falls into the abyss"

You know its gone to rat gak when Al Queda think you lack neutrality.


And it liked ABC news. What does that say? Oh yea what know what that says.


Old deranged militant neocons are more delusional than old deranged militant jihadists? Maybe it's something in the water, or the flag cleaning chemicals or something.

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Let me guess. You're a fan of ABC news, except they are a little conservative for you right?

I am not surprised.

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Frazzled wrote:Let me guess. You're a fan of ABC news, except they are a little conservative for you right?

I am not surprised.


I don't like the television news networks, they have too many reasons to engage in sensationalist journalism. I'm sorry that even the countries (now dead) most (meaningless but also) dire enemy believes what the rest of the planet believes concerning (hannity&friends) Fox!

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Henners91 wrote:Woah, if I join Al Qaeda I get referred to as a Battle Brother?

Sweet.


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Ouze wrote:Joe Biden becoming the vice president of the United States of America is one of the most inexplicable things to have happened politically in my memory. I like the guy, but...how?


He has a stronger blue collar image than just about any other major Democrat and he was born in a major swing state, plus his strong relationship with Dick Lugar makes him look bipartisan.

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Al-Qaeda media adviser Adam Gadahn described ABC News as "all right, actually it could be one of the best channels as far as we are concerned", but he said Fox News "falls into the abyss" and "lacks neutrality".

Alternative Headline:

Al-Qaeda thinks ABC is a "one of the best channels"

I suppose pandering to terrorists and people who hate America is one way to go about getting viewers and advertisers. Probably not the best, but it clearly works for ABC.

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Samus_aran115 wrote:Hmm. I think a lot of people have been underestimating Al-Queda... Especially myself... There's no way we would've traveled half way across the world unless they were an actual threat, which it seems like they definitely are. (yeahyeah, I hear you )

I wonder if that bit about Biden is.... appropriate? Seems slightly detrimental to national security, even if it's a fact that we come to grips with. Looking at the last administration, I'd say Cheney would have been even MORE competent than Little Georgie, which would have made him a target..


Well, we did hide Cheney in a bunker post 9/11 while Bush was paraded around front and center.

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biccat wrote:
Alternative Headline:

Al-Qaeda thinks ABC is a "one of the best channels"

I suppose pandering to terrorists and people who hate America is one way to go about getting viewers and advertisers. Probably not the best, but it clearly works for ABC.


Being referred to positively by a particular group now means you're pandering to that group?

Well, that's news to me. I wonder what that means regarding Fox, and its viewership.

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dogma wrote:Being referred to positively by a particular group now means you're pandering to that group?

Well, that's news to me. I wonder what that means regarding Fox, and its viewership.

Well, you certainly showed me!

I take it back. Al-Qaeda certainly isn't biased in their opinions, and their approval of certain networks over others couldn't possibly be related to any sort of biased opinions.

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biccat wrote:
Al-Qaeda media adviser Adam Gadahn described ABC News as "all right, actually it could be one of the best channels as far as we are concerned", but he said Fox News "falls into the abyss" and "lacks neutrality".

Alternative Headline:

Al-Qaeda thinks ABC is a "one of the best channels"

I suppose pandering to terrorists and people who hate America is one way to go about getting viewers and advertisers. Probably not the best, but it clearly works for ABC.


The mentality of a fox viewer everyone! Did someone call my favorite shock jock yellow news network run by an Australian felon a bad name? Attack!

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ShumaGorath wrote:The mentality of a fox viewer everyone! Did someone call my favorite shock jock yellow news network run by an Australian felon a bad name? Attack!

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biccat wrote:
Well, you certainly showed me!

I take it back. Al-Qaeda certainly isn't biased in their opinions, and their approval of certain networks over others couldn't possibly be related to any sort of biased opinions.


Did I deny the possibility? I don't think I did, but given your propensity for distorting the arguments made by others I'm not terribly surprised that's what you took away from my post.

No, I'm merely denying that being granted a favorable review by a particular groups of viewers does not imply that any given news organization panders to those viewers. Hell, I didn't mention bias at all, because as you're well aware I consider that criticism nonsensical, why you're bringing it up at all is, quite honestly, beyond me. Its almost as if you're attempting to make a point separate from the criticism I levied against you in order to save face, but obviously that's behavior which is beneath you, so clearly that must not be your intention.

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dogma wrote:
biccat wrote:
Well, you certainly showed me!

I take it back. Al-Qaeda certainly isn't biased in their opinions, and their approval of certain networks over others couldn't possibly be related to any sort of biased opinions.


Did I deny the possibility? I don't think I did, but given your propensity for distorting the arguments made by others I'm not terribly surprised that's what you took away from my post.

No, I'm merely denying that being granted a favorable review by a particular groups of viewers does not imply that any given news organization panders to those viewers. Hell, I didn't mention bias at all, because as you're well aware I consider that criticism nonsensical, why you're bringing it up at all is, quite honestly, beyond me. Its almost as if you're attempting to make a point separate from the criticism I levied against you in order to save face, but obviously that's behavior which is beneath you, so clearly that must not be your intention.


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dogma wrote:Did I deny the possibility? I don't think I did, but given your propensity for distorting the arguments made by others I'm not terribly surprised that's what you took away from my post.

No, I'm merely denying that being granted a favorable review by a particular groups of viewers does not imply that any given news organization panders to those viewers. Hell, I didn't mention bias at all, because as you're well aware I consider that criticism nonsensical, why you're bringing it up at all is, quite honestly, beyond me. Its almost as if you're attempting to make a point separate from the criticism I levied against you in order to save face, but obviously that's behavior which is beneath you, so clearly that must not be your intention.

And, as usual, you reserve judgment for people who disagree with your political positions.

Or maybe I missed your post when you said this about Shuma.

Back to ignore.

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dogma wrote:
biccat wrote:
Well, you certainly showed me!

I take it back. Al-Qaeda certainly isn't biased in their opinions, and their approval of certain networks over others couldn't possibly be related to any sort of biased opinions.


Did I deny the possibility? I don't think I did, but given your propensity for distorting the arguments made by others I'm not terribly surprised that's what you took away from my post.

No, I'm merely denying that being granted a favorable review by a particular groups of viewers does not imply that any given news organization panders to those viewers. Hell, I didn't mention bias at all, because as you're well aware I consider that criticism nonsensical, why you're bringing it up at all is, quite honestly, beyond me. Its almost as if you're attempting to make a point separate from the criticism I levied against you in order to save face, but obviously that's behavior which is beneath you, so clearly that must not be your intention.


The gak the neocons come out with in America is just ridiculous, I always hear them saying "Bill Maher hates America!" or "Jon Stewart hates America!" why the hell would Americans "hate" America anyway? And why would a popular American news organisation,"pander" to Al fething Queda?!

Jesus, even the most liberal American still finds mass murder unappealing, why on earth would they "pander" to the group responsible for 9/11?

The gak they come out with is.. staggering. I cant believe people like Hannity can make a living on TV, If he was British he would be cleaning peoples wind-shield's at the traffic lights for 50 cents a time.

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mattyrm wrote: The gak the neocons come out with in America is just ridiculous

Are you suggesting I'm a neocon? I'm not.

mattyrm wrote: I always hear them saying "Bill Maher hates America!" or "Jon Stewart hates America!" why the hell would Americans "hate" America anyway? And why would a popular American news organisation,"pander" to Al fething Queda?!

Because there are Americans who hate America. Some hate the ideas of free speech, free religion, and government responsibility to the people. There are people who hate the social order of the United States, whether it's capitalism or the fact that religious belief is widespread. There are people who hate the popular culture and the behavior it causes.

mattyrm wrote: Jesus, even the most liberal American still finds mass murder unappealing

Liberals, yes; progressives, not really.

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biccat wrote:
mattyrm wrote: The gak the neocons come out with in America is just ridiculous

Are you suggesting I'm a neocon? I'm not.


I dont think your a proper neocon because Ive read plenty of your posts, your definitely not far off though!

biccat wrote:Because there are Americans who hate America. Some hate the ideas of free speech, free religion, and government responsibility to the people. There are people who hate the social order of the United States, whether it's capitalism or the fact that religious belief is widespread. There are people who hate the popular culture and the behavior it causes.


Sure there are, but only a tiny amount of extremists. The point is, the words "he hates America" not only sound silly, but they are hugely overused. I'm sure the vast majority of people labelled as such don't. Its a bit of a daft thing to say anyway, how can you hate your own country to such an extent and not have left it?

biccat wrote:
Liberals, yes; progressives, not really.


Of course they do! How can they not? Do you honestly think that so called progressives don't have disgust for AQs actions on 9/11?

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biccat wrote:
And, as usual, you reserve judgment for people who disagree with your political positions.

Or maybe I missed your post when you said this about Shuma.


It isn't my fault that you can't see the distinction between a comment to the effect of "Fox News is bad." (A judgment which is entirely value driven.) and a comment to the effect of "Any news organization that is liked by a group, must be pandering to that group." (A judgment based on factual necessity.)

As for disagreeing with my political positions, I suspect we have more in common than you realize, its simply that your arguments are inept.

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mattyrm wrote:
biccat wrote:Liberals, yes; progressives, not really.

Of course they do! How can they not? Do you honestly think that so called progressives don't have disgust for AQs actions on 9/11?

I suspect a majority of them do, but I know some who don't.

However, I was addressing your point about mass murder. Progressives are pretty lax on the issue in general.

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biccat wrote:
Because there are Americans who hate America. Some hate the ideas of free speech, free religion, and government responsibility to the people. There are people who hate the social order of the United States, whether it's capitalism or the fact that religious belief is widespread. There are people who hate the popular culture and the behavior it causes.


And, strangely enough, such behavior isn't limited to the political left. Indeed, there are plenty of things about America that conservatives seem to hate, ranging from welfare to gay marriage activism to environmentalism.

If you barometer for what is "American" is simply what occurs in America, or is codified by American law, then pretty much every American hates America.

biccat wrote:
However, I was addressing your point about mass murder. Progressives are pretty lax on the issue in general.


Are you really trying to claim that American progressives, in general, accept mass murder?

That's a new one.

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When will people realize that by surrounding themeselves with only people they agree with and shun those they do not, that they never grow or change? Some americans think gay marriage should be illegal, some don't. But they agree that the Westboro Baptist 'church' should be pelted mercilessly with non-leathal objects for instance.

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Exalted Pariah wrote:FOX NEWS ALERT: Americans hate America! Here to fill airtime with a sad attempt at logic, Neil Cavuto! (seriously, take a shot anytime you see BREAKING NEWS or NEWS ALERT on any American news channel, when its not actually important or new, you'll be dead in a week)

When will people realize that by surrounding themeselves with only people they agree with and shun those they do not, that they never grow or change? Some americans think gay marriage should be illegal, some don't. But they agree that the Westboro Baptist 'church' should be pelted mercilessly with non-leathal objects for instance.


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