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Heh heh. I'll have to brush up on my german! I need to get back to gaming, I've been on a three year hiatus since moving here.

English is a Germanic language - you're halfway there already!

Awesome sculpt, especially the skin texture. I'll definitely be in for the mutant faction at least.

When you say that each Bua Bua is unique - does that mean that won't be true for other races? I can't stand clones for small model count skirmish games.

Will they operate in units, or is each mini going to be a stand-alone thing?

oh no the figures for this game will all be unique. When I say that each Bua Bua is unique I mean that not all of them have four arms and spikey skin or five eyes. Some have one eye, some have three, some have two. Some have four arms some have three, some have two. Some have knobbly skin some have spikes, some have fur, some have smooth. etc.

There will be " grunts " figures in each faction which will eb a bit less unique but one thign you will NOT see in this game is a lot of repeat figures. My biggest advantage over other manufacturers is that I am the sculptor and that I am very fast. So I want to play to those strengths with this effort.

Expect the KS to launch with between 8 - 12 unique figures per faction and 4 factions.

Oh - excellent. Great to hear! I've pledged to limit myself to two KS per year from now on, and I've been waiting and waiting for this one to be the second (after seeing the earlier awesome previews).

Thank you very much Schmapdi! I am working on it as fast as I can!

 tre manor wrote:
hah hah Ken.

Thanks guys. The Bua Bua are each going to be unique btu there are thus far as few regular themes. Lots of skin texture and multiple limbs.

This guy's hand weapon is probably goign to change though. The one he is holdign now seems a bit incongruous.

I like the look of the Bua Bua. The spikes remind me of the Erebius you did for Darklands. I agree with your take on the hand weapon. I think the spear looks good and to me the speartip would look great painted up to be chipped flint or obsidian so I think that would be a good way to go with the hand weapon. Make it look similar to the speartip but elongated and with some rawhide wrapped around the part being used as a grip. A plain wooden warclub could also look good as the model gives off a low tech scavenger vibe to me but I don't know if that's something you want across all the Bua Bua or just how this guy happens to be done.

I'd be interested to learn any info on the factions you have planned even if you're not ready to show any more sculpts.

The first four factions planned are;

" barbarians "

Undead

Amazons ( with lizard men )

Mutants ( Bua Bua )

Is it too soon to ask for our next sneak peek/info burst on this one?

just a wee little bit. ia m working on it but I have a new fantasy KS in the works that I am trying to wrap up before really getting back on this one full time. I want to get this on KS this year but I also want to get the standard fantasy line expanded a little more and get more content for this game done and ready to go.

I think that this could be the next big thing so I do nto wan tto jump the gun and botch it in a hurry. Rest assured though that if it does not go up before December it will go up by January.

I feel like having a fantasy line and this (also fantasy) line for RBG might be a little redundant... is there no way to combine the two? I am a HUGE fan of your recently sculpted orcs, although I know there were some issues with the arms being swappable, etc... but if you could use what you've already done, much of which is excellent, it would avoid fracturing your base and give people more options all at the same time.

Note that I'm not saying that every RBG fantasy model needs to have a place in your project, but for none of them to have a place seems needlessly exclusive, in my view. Consider if GW were to make another sci-fi property that didn't dovetail with 40k at all! An extreme example, but you see what I'm getting at- no reason to compete with yourself! So, if there were any way at all to consolidate the two, it would make a lot of business sense to do so, I think.

 RiTides wrote:
I feel like having a fantasy line and this (also fantasy) line for RBG might be a little redundant... is there no way to combine the two? I am a HUGE fan of your recently sculpted orcs, although I know there were some issues with the arms being swappable, etc... but if you could use what you've already done, much of which is excellent, it would avoid fracturing your base and give people more options all at the same time.

Note that I'm not saying that every RBG fantasy model needs to have a place in your project, but for none of them to have a place seems needlessly exclusive, in my view. Consider if GW were to make another sci-fi property that didn't dovetail with 40k at all! An extreme example, but you see what I'm getting at- no reason to compete with yourself! So, if there were any way at all to consolidate the two, it would make a lot of business sense to do so, I think.

RiTides has a point here.

Also Tre would it be possible to give us an idea of what your next fantasy KS is going to include? I understood that it's going to be a big project. Do you have a release plan of it?
And is it in your future plans any rule system to use your fantasy minis for? I would really like to see this. A skirmish game in which I could use Red Box miniatures. What would be very interesting is some background story for each faction/race. Maybe I ask for too much...

Does any forum member has some suggestion of a game system that I could use Tre's minis, until he releases his own game? I am thinking of something with round bases (ideally having two barbarian races, an evil and a good one ). Any idea would be welcomed!!

I feel like one of the strongest points Tre has going is his aesthetic- his "standard" fantasy line has a very strong look and feel of dark ages europe fantasy to it. I get the impression this line is going to be something different and a bit more unique, so I am happy for the two lines to be separate.

I think you should keep them separate. Don't confuse things and diffidently don't over reach.

While I understand your point RiTides and Corgan combining the two into one IP would destroy the identity of both. The existing line ( which I will need to name officially ) is a traditional fantasy world and the new project is decidedly NOT that. Combining the two would be exactly like combining Dark Sun and GreyHawk. It just won't work.

As for rules I have indeed hired on professional help. Officially. I do not want to say too much before we have something to show but the rules for the existing fantasy line are underway.

The upcoming KS is already approved ans is simply awaiting me to press the launch button. I want to get a little more work done ont he figures though and I want to finish fulfillment on KS4 first. Which incidentally will conclude by monday.

Right now I have a set of new Njorn Adventurers ready to go and one new Aenglish heavy Armoured man at arms. I want to get a few more Aenglish ready to go before launch and get started on a few new Aelfar as well. We shall see how the energy flows though. I want to be certain beyond any doubt that I can deliver everything by Christmas so that si going to inhibit the scope a little bit.

Having two lines seems fine - but having two games? That does seem like overkill. Especially since the minis from the fantasy line are stock enough to work for a lot of existing games.

 tre manor wrote:
While I understand your point RiTides and Corgan combining the two into one IP would destroy the identity of both. The existing line ( which I will need to name officially ) is a traditional fantasy world and the new project is decidedly NOT that. Combining the two would be exactly like combining Dark Sun and GreyHawk. It just won't work.

As for rules I have indeed hired on professional help. Officially. I do not want to say too much before we have something to show but the rules for the existing fantasy line are underway.

The upcoming KS is already approved ans is simply awaiting me to press the launch button. I want to get a little more work done ont he figures though and I want to finish fulfillment on KS4 first. Which incidentally will conclude by monday.

Right now I have a set of new Njorn Adventurers ready to go and one new Aenglish heavy Armoured man at arms. I want to get a few more Aenglish ready to go before launch and get started on a few new Aelfar as well. We shall see how the energy flows though. I want to be certain beyond any doubt that I can deliver everything by Christmas so that si going to inhibit the scope a little bit.

If I can express a wish I would really like to see some bow/ranged "unit" for the Norse and Aenglish similar to the Craven of the Evil barbarians.
Ideally for the Elves also

(Maybe even some Aenglish with heavy armour? ... Ok, ok I stop)

I understand the reasoning behind keeping the current RBG fantasy line separate from the new project. Taking two lines with wildly different aesthetics and background and trying to shoehorn both into one cohesive game would make the game suffer.

Hopefully, there will be a nice simple tight ruleset for skirmish gameswith the current RBG line as that's what I really want to get my hands on. My barbarians and Norse need to get some tabletop action going on. Plus a good ruleset would probably let me use models from either line if both lines essentially humans/humanoids with similar weapons and armor then it wouldn't be difficult to proxy models from the new project or create profiles for them.

On that note I'll second the request for Norse archers. Valda has the Craven to back her up but Svanhild has nobody.

And if we're going to wishlist, I'd like to put out the idea for objective type models for the new project. If it's going to be a warband skirmish game I think having cool objects and/or NPCs available to make the games more varied and narrative would be awesome.

Yeah, I guess that's what I should have said- making a ruleset for yet-to-be-completed models, when you've got a whole line that would really benefit from a ruleset, could divide your fan-base a bit. But I see your reasoning on keeping the two "worlds" separate.

Yeh the game rules will probably be univeral with a few aesthetic changes between them.

Objective pieces and non coms in the new project. It will have both as central parts of the gameplay. I am planning terrain features as well.


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Oh yes and there is one Njorn Archer already in the new set for KS5 and I will also be placing a stretch goal to fund additional Njorn archers and Aenglish archers.

So 'existing Red Box Games miniatures line KS' is next, and then we get the 'super duper secret Red Box Games project KS', right?

 tre manor wrote:

Oh yes and there is one Njorn Archer already in the new set for KS5 and I will also be placing a stretch goal to fund additional Njorn archers and Aenglish archers.

Ah this is great news!! Can't wait for it

Yes the next RBG KS is for the traditional DnD type fantasy and then the wierd fantasy project is next.

Speaking of your traditional line- I see you've got both sets of orcs up in the store! Now I'll be super tempted to get a pack of the brutes.

Doing a fantasy campaign with a fast turnaround before the "weird fantasy" project in the new year sounds like a pretty good plan to me

It should be very close to launch now

I know you've got a currently running KS Campaign for other stuff currently, but this is the one I'm really looking forward to, so I was just wondering...


...anything to report here?

not yet......... but after the current KS stuff is off to the moldmaker this is front and center. I am " warming up " and making a financial buffer with the current KS to be able to really go all in on this KS.

I am aiming the launch of this project to be somewhere between the end of January and mid March with a firm delivery date of May.

The plan is to produce a good starter set for four factions, the " Barbarians", Undead, Mutants, and Amazons, and a few faction specific support ( alt tactics ) figures and a few universal support sets that can be used by all four factions.

Each starter set will have a Champion mounted and afoot or monstrous and mortal, a Sorceror or Shaman or Witch or Priest, a set of melee minions ( 2 - 6 ) and a set of either ranged minions or special effect minions ( 2- 4 ). The pricing will depend on the materials needed for the champions and the costs to produce them.

The support ( alt tactics ) figures will be either heroes or special minions, and will be funded as stretch goals.

I will have a set number fo SG's and will only produce what I set otu to produce and deliver by May. The campaign will be short ( 15 days or less ) and everythign will be ready to mold upon completion of the campaign. This will probably be about 48 to 54 miniatures total.

There will be a beta rules set included with each faction starter with a more finished rules set planned for August or September of 2015. I want to get this stuff into the gaming community in time for AdeptiCon and Gen Con and REALLY make something special in 2015.

This WON'T be just another fantasy game. This is going to be somethign truly special.

As always, thanks for the update Tre!

This is on my 'most anticipated' 2015 KS list for certain!

I'm now even more bummed about not being able to go to Adepticon in 2015 though!

Any preview images on the Amazons yet? Concepts or the like?