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 Mymearan wrote:
Why would BA get Grav Cannons? Didn't Grav Cannons exist before the new BA cidex and they chose it to include them?

No they didn't...
Codex Blood Angels released in 2014, while the 'new' plastic Devs & Assault Marine kits did not come until 2015 and the new Vanilla codex.

Likewise, I'd fully expect for BA's to gain access to Eviscerators for their Assault Squads.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

Because it's not like your Dreadnoughts just got fixed, which is more than can be said for the poor Ork & Chaos ones...
...and odds are BA's will get their FAQ well before any other 'bottom feeder', and will almost certainly get their WS/BS3 Scouts & lack of Grav cannon crutches taken care of.

Blood Angels won't get Grav Cannons in the FAQ. Rarely if ever does GW add something like that in an FAQ.

Maybe the WS/BS 4 for scouts.

BA's are codex Chapter with some bits of added 'flair', just like Dark Angels.

As DA's got Grav cannons, it makes absolutely 0 sense for a Chapter that's even more codex compliant than they are, to suddenly not receive them. It's not the BA's fault that new generic kits dropped for them almost a year *after* their book released.

It's not like the Space Wolf situation, where GW decided to actively keep them from even using basic Grav guns. (since really, Hellfrost weaponry should be their special snowflake 'instead of grav' option!)
BA's have basic Grav guns and Grav pistols. They should definitely receive the cannon in their FAQ.

Those rules are pretty nifty, and I like how they follow the same pattern for each of them: If HQ can see it, get bonuses. Seems appropriate the two Eldar factions would get a similar rule.

Hopefully we'll soon have the rules for the BA formation, and then the real whining can begin!

Experiment 626 wrote:
Hopefully we'll soon have the rules for the BA formation, and then the real whining can begin!

Considering the timetable, probably not until this time next week.

Y'know, I'd find it extremely funny if the Blood Angels' continued mistreatment by GW turns out to be some impressively subtle foreshadowing of them turning to Chaos in 40k's End Times.

Imagine, the noble sons of Sanguinius, bogged down by centuries of crappy rules, finally snapping and turning on their fellow Space Marines...

...only to find themselves at the level of Chaos Space Marines, whose rules are even worse.

Ah yes more of this "chaos and BA sucks forever" whine. Just what is to be expected.

'T was a joke, good sir

Wow, the DE formation bonus is quite nice. And I've already got all the models. Neat.

I disagree. Archon needs to be mobile to get a lot of targets, or be static in a really high location.

At least with the Craftworlds one the Farseer is fast enough to find lots of targets. 6" ain't going to get a lot of targets (they also get twin-linked through splinter racks).

 Frozocrone wrote:
I disagree. Archon needs to be mobile to get a lot of targets, or be static in a really high location.

At least with the Craftworlds one the Farseer is fast enough to find lots of targets. 6" ain't going to get a lot of targets (they also get twin-linked through splinter racks).

Take a minimum unit of Warriors in the Raider, and have the Archon join them. Doesn't say it has to be a 10 man squad.

 Frozocrone wrote:
I disagree. Archon needs to be mobile to get a lot of targets, or be static in a really high location.

At least with the Craftworlds one the Farseer is fast enough to find lots of targets. 6" ain't going to get a lot of targets (they also get twin-linked through splinter racks).

The Archon can take a Venom as a Dedicated Transport.

I like how all of these sets fit into an Allie detachment. And I also like that they are just appealing enough without being auto-include formations.

That said, I will never take Fire Prisms outside this formation. TL without needing WC is great.

Do we know the points cost or real cost of these formations yet?

barnacle111 wrote:
Do we know the points cost or real cost of these formations yet?

They cost the amount of the units in them...

barnacle111 wrote:
Do we know the points cost or real cost of these formations yet?

We can easily figure it out. Points cost will depend on upgrades, and how many models you put into a unit. Each Start Collecting box is $85.

Is there no reason you couldn't upgrade the warriors to trueborn?

That would be something to be feared...

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Is there no reason you couldn't upgrade the warriors to trueborn?

That would be something to be feared...

It does specify "Kabalite Warriors". Upgrading them changes the unit to "Kabalite Trueborn", but it might be an argument for YMDC.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Is there no reason you couldn't upgrade the warriors to trueborn?

That would be something to be feared...

It does specify "Kabalite Warriors". Upgrading them changes the unit to "Kabalite Trueborn", but it might be an argument for YMDC.

Already made a thread on it, myself
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/694609.page#8730692

Although, I want to point out that under your definition, adding a Sybarite would be illegal, too.

Work Blocked, can't see the pic. Would someone please tell me the contents of the Blood Angels star collecting box ?

 adamsouza wrote:
Work Blocked, can't see the pic. Would someone please tell me the contents of the Blood Angels star collecting box ?

Blood Angels Captain in Terminator Armor
Blood Angels Tactical Squad
Blood Angels Baal Predator

Well I guess the Baal(Rhino) is more useful than the dread in the Space Marines Start Collecting box.

 SarisKhan wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
I disagree. Archon needs to be mobile to get a lot of targets, or be static in a really high location.

At least with the Craftworlds one the Farseer is fast enough to find lots of targets. 6" ain't going to get a lot of targets (they also get twin-linked through splinter racks).

The Archon can take a Venom as a Dedicated Transport.

But he has to get out of it in a prior turn to be able to draw LOS and pick a preferred enemy unit.

 adamsouza wrote:
Well I guess the Baal(Rhino) is more useful than the dread in the Space Marines Start Collecting box.

Absolutely. One could build it as a Rhino, a Razorback (using the turret as a TLASC Razorback turret), or the many variations of of the Baal Predator. Unfortunately, the Captain isn't as good as the SC Space Marines box. I am still picking one up in spite of already having Karlaen.

 winterman wrote:

 SarisKhan wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
I disagree. Archon needs to be mobile to get a lot of targets, or be static in a really high location.

At least with the Craftworlds one the Farseer is fast enough to find lots of targets. 6" ain't going to get a lot of targets (they also get twin-linked through splinter racks).

The Archon can take a Venom as a Dedicated Transport.

But he has to get out of it in a prior turn to be able to draw LOS and pick a preferred enemy unit.

Not really? Venom is an open-topped transport. If the Archon can shoot freely from the inside (which he can, obviously), he can draw LOS, ergo, grant the bonus to his fellow Kabalites.

That Eldar formation is actually pretty solid.

The Fire Prism is a great tank, and giving it twin-linked is actually fixing its biggest problem IMO. It's a very versatile gun and now it's S9 AP1 lance shot will actually probably hit, which always seemed to be the hard part for me.

 SarisKhan wrote:

 winterman wrote:

 SarisKhan wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
I disagree. Archon needs to be mobile to get a lot of targets, or be static in a really high location.

At least with the Craftworlds one the Farseer is fast enough to find lots of targets. 6" ain't going to get a lot of targets (they also get twin-linked through splinter racks).

The Archon can take a Venom as a Dedicated Transport.

But he has to get out of it in a prior turn to be able to draw LOS and pick a preferred enemy unit.

Not really? Venom is an open-topped transport. If the Archon can shoot freely from the inside (which he can, obviously), he can draw LOS, ergo, grant the bonus to his fellow Kabalites.

(Being devil's advocate here)

GW said in their faq that, for all intents and purposes, a unit is not on the battlefield if it's inside a transport. Thus causing you to not be able to draw LOS. Very rules lawyer-y I know, but just saying because you know if I don't someone else will.

 SarisKhan wrote:

 winterman wrote:

 SarisKhan wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
I disagree. Archon needs to be mobile to get a lot of targets, or be static in a really high location.

At least with the Craftworlds one the Farseer is fast enough to find lots of targets. 6" ain't going to get a lot of targets (they also get twin-linked through splinter racks).

The Archon can take a Venom as a Dedicated Transport.

But he has to get out of it in a prior turn to be able to draw LOS and pick a preferred enemy unit.

Not really? Venom is an open-topped transport. If the Archon can shoot freely from the inside (which he can, obviously), he can draw LOS, ergo, grant the bonus to his fellow Kabalites.

Not necessarily true.

Why should BA get everything C:SM gets? C:SM doesn't get everything BA get!

I tell you what, when my Salamanders can take Baal Predators your BA can have Grav.

Right now BA are more Flamey than Salamanders. What sense does that make? Flamer tanks, heavy flamers in Tac squads, hand flamers and meltas.

Get over it.

 SickSix wrote:
Why should BA get everything C:SM gets? C:SM doesn't get everything BA get!

I tell you what, when my Salamanders can take Baal Predators your BA can have Grav.

Right now BA are more Flamey than Salamanders. What sense does that make? Flamer tanks, heavy flamers in Tac squads, hand flamers and meltas.

Get over it.

I don't think they should have everything that C:SM get. Perhaps some things, but not all. I think the flyers would be appropriate, since Blood Angels pilots are supposed to be the ace pilots among the Space Marines. The flak tanks aren't as much of an issue. BA don't need Thunderfire Cannons, they have other anti-infantry platforms.