750Pts BA for doubles tournament

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**Bacms**

Hello everyone,

My local GW is organizing one of the invasion event to take place on Warhammer World on the end of August with 750pts on each side. 1Hq and 2troop choices minimum
For that reason I was thinking in trying to use this as an opportunity to start painting my BA force. Question is what to take. This is what I had in mind but I am 45pts short ate the moment:

Created with BattleScribe

Criticism and suggestions please

**Bacms**

Anyone? I really need some help to decide what to buy in time for the tournament

**tflewis**

Maybe change the missile launchers to cannons, add an extra marine to each squad (otherwise its illegal)

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**Bacms**

tflewis wrote:Maybe change the missile launchers to cannons, add an extra marine to each squad (otherwise its illegal)

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They are 10 man squads Battlescribe just lists the Sargent separated from the rest of the group

**J Mac**

What is your ally bringing? 750 its is hard to do with BAs. if it were me, I'd drop the special weapons off the sgts, give them melt bombs instead an get a priest with a jump pack. At least then, you are a little more survivable.
Also you only have one power listed for your libby. I'd take Fear or Rage. I like Fear better for your list though.

**Bacms**

thank you very much for your reply. We are still deciding but in principle he will take Chaos Space marines. And I did not include that second power because I wasn't sure what to take. Will try a few games with the ones you mentioned to see how it goes.

**evildrcheese**

J Mac wrote:I'd drop the special weapons off the sgts, give them melt bombs instead an get a priest with a jump pack. At least then, you are a little more survivable.

Yeah I think a priest would help. I know FNP isn't as good as it used to be but it could save a couple of marines and go on to swing a combat.

Also, second power for the libby, have you considered Sang Sword? Makes attackes S10, so might help you double a tough IC (as long you your initiative is better

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**MrEconomics**

My take on the list is that it's out of 5th edition. It's too early to be sure, but I suspect something better is out there. The problem is I have little idea what would be better, and 750 points is probably going to be rough anyway. Here are some things to think about:

1. Challenges mean that the standard 5th edition Assault Squad won't function well in CC.

You no longer can hide that Power Fist easily. I've run some numbers, and I'm starting to think that adding a Storm Shield to the Sergeant might be a good idea. With a PF/TH & SS combo, and FNP, a Sergeant has a decent chance to kill a Captain in a challenge. If the Captain charges, he has about a 41% chance to kill the Sergeant in the first round, and a 33% chance if he's charged (assuming a Relic Blade, it's only 32%/26% with a regular Power Weapon), and the Sergeant has a 37% chance to kill the Captain if he's charged and survives to swing, 50% if he charges and survives. Thus, if the Sergeant charges, he wins about 34% of the time, dies about 33% of the time, and the rest is a draw.

Note that the situation is hopeless against a Captain on a Bike (T5 means he has to get 3 wounds through, good luck with that), and also hopeless without the PF. I think one possible use for those 45 points would be 2 Storm Shields, plus drop a Flamer and upgrade the PW to a PF. The analysis suggests that the TH upgrade isn't worth much for a Sarge, as anything he can reasonably handle in a challenge isn't going to survive an unsaved wound, and Thunder Hammers don't do anything extra to vehicles anymore.

An alternative would be to keep the Sergeants cheap, and spend the points elsewhere. Maybe just a Meltabomb. It would give you a desperation weapon in a challenge, and you'd have exactly what you'd need to take a Priest with a Jump Pack. This might be better at higher points, where you can try to have some sort of IC in each (or at least many) of your Assault Squads, and then have the option to fight with the IC or sacrifice a Sarge.

2. You want tools to deal with Flyers.

In a 750 point tournament, you may not be able to cover this base, but you should be very afraid of flyers with this list. I ran some numbers in a different thread. My 5th edition mech BA list has 11 Lascannons, 3 Autocannons, 3 TL-Assault Cannons, 5 TL-Plasmaguns, and 5 Meltaguns. Assuming everything can fire to full effect, the odds of killing a single Stormraven in the first turn of shooting was 59%. Never mind how strong an assumption that is, that isn't very reliable. Your list has 4 Missile Launchers, 2 Meltaguns, and possibly something from the Librarian. You are less vulnerable to flyers, but you can't expect to hurt them either. I don't think it's a big deal for a 750 point tournament, but plan ahead as you expand the force. You might want to wait until the new codexes come out before making major purchases, as you might find the new stuff significantly changes your shopping list.

One last point on Librarian powers. I personally like stuff that can buff an entire squad, and Divination is pretty good for that. You can at least be sure you'll get a better version of Unleash Rage. Sanguine Sword is worth considering, as is Blood Lance, which does not roll to hit and therefore could be a solution for flyers. However, the NOVA tournament FAQ apparently holds that Blood Lance can't target flyers or something, so check with the tournament organizer first.