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 Pacific wrote:
[There was a guy blogging on another site that he had heard of an NDA also (unless that was you as well Buttery Commissar! )

I do think though that it was that serious an NDA (like the ones GW had with LoTR for instance), and they potentially faced losing a lisence that could net them $1-3mil, then Mantic probably wouldn't have done the preview.

Someone could just post the info from a sock-puppet account (in fact, I'm amazed it hasn't happened already)

Apart form my Facebook where I chat wit friends on a closed account, this is the only place I post anything.

I was told that it would be more like if Company had given Mantic permission to do Game and three expansions, they may lose the ability to do the latter end of it. Cut short so to speak. It's not an area I know anything about.
Quite honestly I think unfinished product photographs and rules leaks would be the danger zone, permission and name association would be minimally damaging

Either way, you're right.

I've been thinking for a while that allowing this "we're doing a thing..." trickle does mean they get a good sense of what people want to see.

Yes, I think regardless what else you say about Mantic, they do genuinely seem want to improve what they are doing.

And when mistakes are made (in terms of what the fanbase want) it's more of a genuine mistake, rather than the 'we don't give a feth' type of mistake.

 NTRabbit wrote:
I'm not interested in Fallout or Zombies, really, and the Fallout franchise is not something I'd call goliath - it's a niche game. Sure, it's pretty big for a niche game, but it's still a niche.

Call of Duty, Battlefront, League of Legends, GTA, WoW, and perhaps also Assassin's Creed and Starcraft, those are goliaths.

Although, they're saying $750 million in sales (12 million units on launch) which has suprassed both Halo and the newest Call of Duty.
http://www.ibtimes.com/fallout-4-sales-record-breaking-12-million-copies-worth-750-million-sold-launch-2183997

So, even if it's not the biggest, it's certainly up there!

 NTRabbit wrote:
I'm not interested in Fallout or Zombies, really, and the Fallout franchise is not something I'd call goliath - it's a niche game. Sure, it's pretty big for a niche game, but it's still a niche.

Call of Duty, Battlefront, League of Legends, GTA, WoW, and perhaps also Assassin's Creed and Starcraft, those are goliaths.

Fallout will be outselling Battlefront and Assassin's Creed by a wide margin this year, world-wide, so you might want to reconsider what you call "niche".

Thanks to Skyrim blowing up in the "dude-bro" community, Bethesda open-world games are now EVENT-level releases that other publishers actively avoid releasing around.

Fallout is the only post-apocalyptic license I'd find interesting and spend money on. That doesn't mean it's the license that would sell the best etc.

I need to expand my collection into yet another genre like I need a hole in the head, though, so Mad Max, Walking Dead, World War Z, anything other than Fallout would be great, as I can ignore them completely.

Personally I doubt Mantic is doing Fallout - In my opinion it's the obvious choice, and I believe it would find a very enthusiastic audience among people who actually buy and play games.

That's why Mantic won't be doing it; it just makes too much sense.

Huh. You know what I think it is? Defiance. That would be classic Mantic for me: A property I don't care a whit about, but that has enough cool armor / monster designs that it would probably lure me in to pledging anyway (like Mars Attacks.) I can't say I'd be thrilled with it, but I'd follow the KS to see what models came out of it.

Oh, and if Defiance counts as a juggernaut or whatever, what a sad world we live in.

I would back a fallout KS but I don't think mantic has the license for that. Otoh, I didn't think we'd see an AVP KS either so maybe it might be fallout. It's certainly the only post apoc thing I can think of that would hit 1.5-3m

I had an interesting thought last night...

A game within the last year or so that's a massive IP, and post-apocalyptic? Sounds like Age of Sigmar to me!


I didn't say it was a good thought.

If it is Fallout I will be simultaneously overjoyed and sad, all while throwing money at Mantic.

~Eric

I'm in the minority here as I haven't played a game of fallout....ever, so it is an easy miss to me. Madmax I could possibly go in $1 for to get the rules but Mantic is a buy at retail for me from now on due to their "service".

Apparently from the open day some concept art for the Nightstalkers one of the two 'secret' armies in the uncharted Empires book




Edit: source Mantic Madness facebook group

That's... kind of out of left field for a mass-battle fantasy game.

 Compel wrote:
According to Gamespot, it has grossed $750 million dollars in sales. - In other words, 3 times that of "Avengers: Age of Ultron" - according to Wikipedia anyhow.

you're looking at the budget
Avengers Age of Ultron grossed one point five billion dollars

I love the silhouette / teaser art, looking forward to seeing more on those

 judgedoug wrote:

 Compel wrote:
According to Gamespot, it has grossed $750 million dollars in sales. - In other words, 3 times that of "Avengers: Age of Ultron" - according to Wikipedia anyhow.

you're looking at the budget
Avengers Age of Ultron grossed one point five billion dollars

Still pretty crazy considering Fallot 4 has been out for a week. Bethesda games have looooong legs so I wouldn't be surprised if it surpassed Ultron eventually.

I just saw this on one of the Mantic FB fan pages: some nice transfers to fit Mantic shields. I will pick up some for my Orcs after the holidays, I think.

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/Transfers.html

Is all that weathering and battle damage part of the transfer or painted on after?

They look REALLY good and kinda put the GW ones to shame, I'm not sure I believe they will look like that without painting the scratches and the dirt on over them.

I looked at Little Big Men online store, and the transfers appear to be more like temporary tattoos than waterslide transfers like most of us are used to. I suspect all that weathering is actually on there.

There was an NDA to sign at the open day if you got the lucky ticket to see the game and have a play. We were told it would be announced close to Christmas with hints running up to it, then more previews in new year building up to KS. I'd echo what others have said - this will be crazy good on KS and has more potential than anything they have done , especially in terms of bringing new people into games using miniatures.

Why has no one openly blabbed ? I guess outside of people working on it and publications with a preview that fans are honouring what they were asked. Mantic has supported the club I go to several times with various stuff despite it only being small, and whilst they have had some bad KS related stuff, Ronnie makes an impression on you in person , so they deserve good will!

The LBM shield transfers are kinda a mix between a water slide transfer and a sticker. The historical ones suggested painting the surface underneath them white; I personally didn't (left them silver) and it still worked OK...just a bit darker.

You basically peel off the front, and apply it like a sticker, then soak the sticker on the model and the other side of the backing slides off. Honestly easier to use than water slide transfers imo...

So yes, the weathering and such translates well.

Regarding the next project...is everything they launch just planned to be on kickstarter now? Do they still make figures without kickstarter? Like for example, the planned Nightstalker line....are we just expecting that to be kickstarter too? I don't know why that thought makes me irrationally angry, but it does :(

No, they're releasing a fair amount of Kings of War stuff right now that wasn't Kickstarted, but I'd imagine that they'd almost always use Kickstarter to launch new product lines & versions because:

1) It is a big, wide-reaching but relatively inexpensive, marketing campaign.

2) It gives a large concentrated amount of funds during the stage of product development where these funds are most needed, again fairly inexpensively.

Commissioning sculpting and making rubber moulds for 10 different new metal models is relatively inexpensive. Creating tooling and booking Chinese factory time for 50 different plastic moulds for a new product line is not!

piperider361 wrote:
The LBM shield transfers are kinda a mix between a water slide transfer and a sticker. The historical ones suggested painting the surface underneath them white; I personally didn't (left them silver) and it still worked OK...just a bit darker.

You basically peel off the front, and apply it like a sticker, then soak the sticker on the model and the other side of the backing slides off. Honestly easier to use than water slide transfers imo...

So yes, the weathering and such translates well.

Regarding the next project...is everything they launch just planned to be on kickstarter now? Do they still make figures without kickstarter? Like for example, the planned Nightstalker line....are we just expecting that to be kickstarter too? I don't know why that thought makes me irrationally angry, but it does :(

Interesting. Any photos? I was also intrigued by them and would like to see them on actual minis.

Anyone know if the transfers are going to be mantic store exclusive or if they are going to be available at retailers? The orc ones looks very neat, I´m surprised though that there aren´t any undead ones considering the popularity of the undead minis.

 heartserenade wrote:


Interesting. Any photos? I was also intrigued by them and would like to see them on actual minis.

Seconded.

If guess there are no undead ones because the undead shields are too irregular. Theyve got gashes, pieces broken off... trying to fit those transfers onto them seem like itd be pretty difficult. And having one transfer for each specific shield would mean even more clones than you get already.

The email from Mantic said Undead shield transfers are up next, though, so that can't really be the case.

So yea, my copy of uncharted empires came in and Im looking at it right now. The new armies are interesting, though the merman one seems kinda out of place but thats just me

I no longer own any figures with them on, but here is a semi decent shot of them on my old SAGA Bretons.



This is over the silver background, not the recommended white, so they are a little darker than they should have been. Also they were the wrong size for these figures, so I hand trimmed them down, hence the semi rough edges. But you can see the weathering (scratches) came through just fine, and I didn't do anything special to them.

 Bioptic wrote:
No, they're releasing a fair amount of Kings of War stuff right now that wasn't Kickstarted,../quote]
I'd be interested in what those non-KS items are.

Love how I always screw up quotes on here

Thanks. Might consider buying the Undead transfers if I like the design. I don't like the idea of freehanding all them shields.

I'm too cheap for transfers, too lazy for freehand... that's why all my undead have nice and solid colored shields.

I can wave away the details by telling my opponent it all faded away decades ago!

Kudos to all of you who have the dedication to your shambling hordes to bling out their gear!

Wait... is the digital version of uncharted empires more expensive then the actual printed version?

 ulgurstasta wrote:
Wait... is the digital version of uncharted empires more expensive then the actual printed version?

No, they're the same price at £12.49, and for the moment at least the digital version is on sale for £9.99.