Sneak peek at the super duper secret next Red Box Games project

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**tre manor**

none yet. all o fthe art is still very fluid at this point. There are broad thematic elements that are set in stone but i am creating a world out of whole cloth here without using any particular real world cultures as " rules ".

Abotu the most I would say is to expect less clothing and armour rather than more. And everything will have a very strong early bronze age late stone age feel to it. And also a lot of animal elements in the armours and equipment. Hide armour, Bone armour, wooden armour etc.

**Wehrkind**

You had me at "expect less clothing and armour rather than more."

Well, and the rest of that paragraph too. I am totally into the bronze age era myself, though a little more towards the early iron age. Very excited!

**Trodax**

Oh yeah, looking forward to this quite a bit too.

**Alpharius**

OK - I think it is high time for our December Update here!

How about a Sneak Peek - some info or, dare I ask, a picture - or two?!?

**RiTides**

I was thinking of pinging here, too

. Would love to get a "Christmas gift" of a few more sneak peaks of your sculpts.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Thirded.

Tre has no choice now but to show off the goods.

**tre manor**

............. I will see what I can put together.

**Alpharius**

OK!

We're way overdue here!

All kidding aside, I'm jonesing for some "Conan"-esque miniatures, and I don't think the current Kickstarter from Monolith is going to deliver the miniatures I'm looking for - though I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

I still think your project is our best bet!

So...some more info/sneak peeks/etc.?

Pretty please?

**jorny**

I got my miniatures from the latest KS today. Looks great! But I must say that they make my Ylivfriodr look small in comparison with the new Njorn.

**RiTides**

These two quotes from Tre (taken from the last two updates on the most recent campaign, but only the parts dealing with what's coming next) indicate that another project for his existing line will be up first:

Tre Manor on Dec 19th wrote: In the mean time I am working on getting my next efforts together. I took the last month off to gather my wits a bit. I still have the energy btu I am not quite certain what to do with it first. I still need to finish out the Njorn but I get a lot of calls to brign back the Helsvakt Armoured elites and Horsemen and then there are other aspects of the HElsvakt that could o with expansion...namely the craven and HelsMaidens. Then I also have been thinking a lot on expanding the Infernals as well. The old armoured Helsvakt elites ( gynnade krigare ) were just too expensive to produce and sell for a reasonable amount to make units with so if I were to revisit that idea the figures woudl be less modular and probably slightly less bulky. And I have been wanting to make some Njorn Equivalent figures as well.

Right now the next KS will be structured a bit differently to previous campaigns. I am going to open the campaign with a bit higher of a funding goal to cover the initial offerings but those initial offerings will be a bit " bigger ". I want to open with two factions, and have a monster or mounted champion for each and a set of character / elite troops for each. You will be able to buy any of the figures as individuals but you will also have the ability to pledge for " full sets " including the champ / monster and troops for each faction or for both factions together, and you will be able to pledge for sets of the troops separately as well. I am going to plan to make one mounted champion or Monster champion, one set of " regular " ( probably 4 with limited modularity maybe ) foot troops, one set of " brutes" ( probably 2 or 3 ), a set of ranged troops ( probably 4 ), a Special troop type ( like 1 monster or 3 elites ) and one or two additional characters ( probably a mage and a melee or missile character ) per faction for at least 2 factions....at least that is the ambition. I can do it if I have you all behind me. I am still working out the pricing for the sets but I want to try to keep the Full Monty ( Champ + 3 troops + 2 characters ) at or below $100 per faction.

This will be a 20 campaign and will launch in early January.

Right now I am most inspired to create some Helsvakt and Njorn BUT the Infernals could always use a little expansion as well.

So what do you all want to see?

Tre Manor on Jan 7th wrote:Now.....on to KS 6......as of now I am working on Hordesmen war staff and a mounted Helsvakt Champion. I would like to open the next campaign offering the Champion, the hordesmen Warstaff ( captain, musician, and standard bearer. ) and new set of 4 or 5 armoured elites.....which I have yet to chose a name for as Gynnade Krigare never really rolled off the tongue well. These will be offered as individuals and in sets. I won't be launching the next KS until i ave these first figures sculpted and ready to go to the moldmaker so do not expect the next KS until sometime aroudn the end of January.

So, sometime soon will see the launch of another campaign for RBG miniatures. I'm not opposed to this at all

just noting it here since it does mean this project isn't up next, although perhaps it's still being worked on in the background.

**Alpharius**

If true, then ~~Son~~ Tre I am disappoint.

**Yodhrin**

Just wondering; any chance a backer who's got their stuff could take a few minutes to do a comparison shot showing the relative heights of the new models, ideally with a GW human in there somewhere?

All the figs I had my eye on are up for order on the webstore, but between the slightly confusing pictures(it's difficult to discern relative size when the models appear to often be on different base sizes/the "sculpting pads" are different sizes) and a the KS comments noting the(intentional) size differences, I'm a bit leery of putting in an order and finding half of it is too big/small for my purposes.

**highlord tamburlaine**

I may be in the minority, but I'd like to see the figures in the next batch be a little on the larger size, especially if there's monstrous stuff involved.

Or if we do end up see a Tre- sculpted Hyborean, I hope the guy is a bit larger than life.

Tre's sculpts really pop with detail, and it would be cool to see that at a slightly larger scale.

Maybe it's just my bad eyesight and too much squinting at tiny metal dudes that's the issue?

**corgan**

Yodhrin wrote:
Just wondering; any chance a backer who's got their stuff could take a few minutes to do a comparison shot showing the relative heights of the new models, ideally with a GW human in there somewhere?

All the figs I had my eye on are up for order on the webstore, but between the slightly confusing pictures(it's difficult to discern relative size when the models appear to often be on different base sizes/the "sculpting pads" are different sizes) and a the KS comments noting the(intentional) size differences, I'm a bit leery of putting in an order and finding half of it is too big/small for my purposes.

I have uploaded these before but here is an example of size. The impression that these miniatures are small is wrong. This guy is from a KS of last year:

next to a Warhammer mini

next to a Confrontation mini

next to Lotr mini

next to Magnificent Ego mini

**jorny**

I'll take some photos and put up a quick review and size comparison of the new Njorn miniatures on my blog. Won't be up until sunday though, have to many other things to do!

**Yodhrin**

Thanks corgan & jorny, but I'm more concerned about how the basic humans equate to the slightly odder models and to GW; for example, will Bad Betty or Magda from Afar fit in with my existing Mordheim models? When people talk about Tradkarl and Derek the Dim being "bigger", what does that actually mean - relatively speaking are they tall/bulky guys, or almost-Ogres?

**corgan**

Yodhrin wrote:
Thanks corgan & jorny, but I'm more concerned about how the basic humans equate to the slightly odder models and to GW; for example, will Bad Betty or Magda from Afar fit in with my existing Mordheim models? When people talk about Tradkarl and Derek the Dim being "bigger", what does that actually mean - relatively speaking are they tall/bulky guys, or almost-Ogres?

I guess by "basic humans" you are referring to the Aenglish (and Aelfar). I didn't receive the items of the last KS yet, in order to make some comparison of Ugly Betty with some Warhammer minis but I hope to have them by the next days. I would say that considering the fact that Njorn are wider and bulkier humans than the Aenglish, the latter would be more or less the height of Lotr figures. Aelfar are a bit further smaller.
I will try to make some photos with Ugly Betty after she arrives.

**Prestor Jon**

The new Aenglish from the KS fit in fine with my plastic GW Brets. They are the same height as the Men at Arms and bowmen but slimmer less chunky and better detailed. Red Meghan fits in great her realistic proportions make easy to identify as a woman without looking tiny. Bad Betty is tall slightly taller than the Brets which is accentuate d by her relatively slender realistic build. She definitely looks like a bigger than normal human which makes sense since she's a half blood. The Njorns are the same size as the Aenglish and both are slightly smaller than the Helsvakt hordesmen from the previous KS. I don't have any older RBG minis to compare them to.

Tradkarl is big. He's taller than a space marine. To me he looks like an unarmoured true scale space marine size but without the powerlifter muscle bulk.

**Azazelx**

Well, until Tre' actually starts showing more useful scale on his store, people will still either think they're tiny, or buy his tiny models thinking that they're the more common heroic scale - and then assume that they're all tiny from that point onwards.

I don't have any of Tre's newer models, but I've spent some time over the past couple of days putting together a reasonably comprehensive post showing size comparisons of Tre's Lesser Undead (Zombies) with other ranges.
https://azazelx.wordpress.com/2015/01/31/red-box-games-lesser-undead-zombies-size-comparison/

23 photos, so way more than I'll post here, but here's a couple of the key ones.

People are often upset about the smaller base sizes that Tre' tends to use, and find them misleading. Even I find them misleading and basically not useful when it comes to trying to work out what I'm buying.
This pic shows them on the 20mm bases they come with, as well as a traditional 25mm round, and both 20mm and 25mm squares.

One of several "rogues gallery" shots.
Zombicide, Red Box Games, Citadel, Studio Miniatures, Last Night on Earth, Harlequin, D&D Miniatures, Reaper (Bones)

The classic size comparison barometer.

**weeble1000**

Okay, I slapped this together this morning. Some of my RBG miniatures are in storage, most notably my Helsvekt and pre-KS Njorn so this comparison is not 100% comprehensive. There are also no Aelfar in this photo.

From left to right:

Pre-KS Aenglish, KS 2 Aenglish (no head), KS 5 Aenglish, Pre-KS Aenglish, Pre-KS Aenglish Undead, Pre-KS Halfling, KS 5 Aenglish, KS 3 Njorn, KS 2 Goblin, KS 5 Njorn, KS 5 Njorn, Pre-KS Dverger, KS 3 Njorn, KS 4 Helsvekt Craven, KS 4 Njorn Undead, Pre-KS Half-Orc, KS 2 Orc

All miniatures on 25mm rounds except for the halfling, dwarf, and goblin, which are on 20mm rounds.

Looking at this, I'd say that Tre's line has remained pretty darn consistent. The Aenglish are smaller and slighter than the Njorn, and have remained very consistent in proportions. The Njorn are larger than the Aenglish and a little slighter than the Helsvekt. There was a little bit of scale creep in KS 3, but as that KS included a grand total of 6 miniatures, the slightly larger size of those miniatures can, in my view, simply represent particularly tall Njorn. The Half Orc is bigger than the Craven, but probably of a size with a 'normal' Helsvekt warrior. The Orc is larger and bulkier than all of the rest of the miniatures.

With respect to the undead, the Drauger are larger than the Walking Dead, but the Drauger as I understand it represent Njorn undead, and so this size difference is consistent with Tre's line as a whole.

My impression was always that the Aenglish were of a size with medieval Western Europeans whereas the Njorn are more consistent with Scandinavian peoples and the Helsvekt are somewhat preternaturally large peoples. I believe that Tre's original idea was that they had some Giant blood in them. The Aelfar are shorter and much slighter than the Aenglish, They are closer to Magda and Olsvalter the Aged in the photo above (the two wizards) in terms of average height/build.

The little folks are all about the same size, but the Halflings are generally far less built than the Dwarves, who are proportioned almost like little Njorn. The Goblins are mean, rangy, half-starved creatures with musculature and body fat similar to the Craven.

**Yodhrin**

That's extremely useful weeble thanks. Looks like Magda and Derek will probably work OK, but Betty and Tradkarl would end up far too tall for what I wanted them for if I'm judging them right(assuming they're sized to just barely fit the 25mm bases the site says they're supplied with).

Oh what I wouldn't give to have it become common industry practice to include a ruler shot for every model in a webstore.

**tre manor**

Hey guys! Sorry for thelong lapse here. I AM indeed still working ont his project but it is going to require a little more investment to really make it what it needs to be so I am going to be launching one more KS before this " other " project. It IS still coming though not to worry.

Right now I am in the midst of a big house move that has NOT gone smoothly. We are now in Greenville South Carolina and only just secured a rental house after spending the past week living out of a hotel with a moving truck full of all of our stuff. Finally though we are in and unpacking and I have my new studio room painted in a color that won't set my retinas on fire....the previous color was bright yellow....no kidding. SO starting Monday I will be back on the job and working on the first offering for the next KS.

**Sabotage!**

Sorry to hear about the rough move Tre, those are never fun! Good luck getting everything in order!

Kind of an odd request, but would it be possible to get some armored Aenglish with visors lowered during the next campaign (or even a head sprue). I really like the dark age/ early medieval influence to them (I tend to run my fantasy roleplaying campaigns with an early medieval tech level), and I have been searching for ages for something like that with an "armored elite" look to them.

I would really like something like that in your line, because while the line has a influence from historical cultures, they have a much more distinctive fantasy feel to them then plopping down some historical Viking or Saxon miniatures (that and I also do prefer your sculpting).

**Alpharius**

tre manor wrote:
Hey guys! Sorry for thelong lapse here. I AM indeed still working ont his project but it is going to require a little more investment to really make it what it needs to be so I am going to be launching one more KS before this " other " project. It IS still coming though not to worry.

Right now I am in the midst of a big house move that has NOT gone smoothly. We are now in Greenville South Carolina and only just secured a rental house after spending the past week living out of a hotel with a moving truck full of all of our stuff. Finally though we are in and unpacking and I have my new studio room painted in a color that won't set my retinas on fire....the previous color was bright yellow....no kidding. SO starting Monday I will be back on the job and working on the first offering for the next KS.

Wha...?!?

I used to live in Greenville South Carolina!

We loved it there - from 2003 to 2006 - but moved back 'home' to Massachusetts.

Check our Borderlands (for gaming) and Lieu's (for fantastic Asian food!).

Also, hurry up and finish up all that 'other stuff' and get going on this project!

**tre manor**

HAH HAH! Well sorry I " missed " you Alph, we just got back from a stroll through Downtown....This place has a TON of restaurants to try. I have seen Lieu's though! I will be sure to put that one on the list, and I also found Borderlands the other day driving around and made a note to visit it as well.

Heavy Aenglish with visors down. Yeh I really should have made the recent Aenglish more modular with optional closed helms. I do plant to expand the Aenglish again with closed helms but I am not sure exactly when I will be able to get to them. First I must get the new Armoured Elite HelsVakt and Mounted hero done and my " Mercenary of Reknown " done as well for the next KS. I am open to expanding any line from the RBG catalogue that people want to see funded! We shall see.

**Wehrkind**

Ah! Greenville is one of me and my wife's favorite little cities! If we make it back down I will have to swing by and buy you a drink.

Sorry that the move is sucking, but hopefully you will be back on your feet and taking the family to see the scatological elephants at the zoo!

**Gallahad**

Extremely useful Weeble. Some of those are larger than I thought. So basically if I stick with the Njorn and the Helsvekt I will get guys on the bigger side of Tre's line?

**RiTides**

Particularly the recent Kickstarter for the 6 Njorn models, Gallahad (note that in corgan's pictures, the Njorn model's stance is significantly wider than any of the minis it's being compared to - he's quite bulky! (Wehrkind mentioned not being able to fit them on 25mm bases).

Still dreaming of the day when Tre gets something like the "Forgeworld running empire model" to put in all his shots

(like Forgeworld does with their warhammer fantasy monsters, so they all have a sense of scale). But until then, posts like these are Very helpful, so thanks for the effort corgan / Azazel / weeble!

**weeble1000**

Gallahad wrote:
Extremely useful Weeble. Some of those are larger than I thought. So basically if I stick with the Njorn and the Helsvekt I will get guys on the bigger side of Tre's line?

Yea, absolutely. Tre's miniatures are basically the same general scale as Hasslefree miniatures. They are pretty big, they're just finely detailed and more realistically proportioned. You'll find that the Aenglish will fit comfortably on their 25mm round bases and stand as tall as a neighborly 30mm+ miniature.

The Njorn are usually a little taller and more muscled, so they look less dissimilar alongside more 'heroic' miniatures. The Helsvekt are a bit taller and more heavily muscled still.

Now, the Aelfar will potentially look weird next to more 'heroic' miniatures. This is because they are like D&D elves, shorter, slighter, more delicately proportioned. They have thin faces and supple limbs. Consequently, the differences between this style of sculpting and exaggerated 'heroic' proportioning are more glaring.

What models are you wanting to put Tre's next to?

**Bossk_Hogg**

Am I remembering correctly that the Trollforge Aenglish from the 1st kickstarter were smaller than anticipated? Were later Aenglish a bit bigger?