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Sinful Hero wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
I disagree. Archon needs to be mobile to get a lot of targets, or be static in a really high location.

At least with the Craftworlds one the Farseer is fast enough to find lots of targets. 6" ain't going to get a lot of targets (they also get twin-linked through splinter racks).

Take a minimum unit of Warriors in the Raider, and have the Archon join them. Doesn't say it has to be a 10 man squad.

SarisKhan wrote:The Archon can take a Venom as a Dedicated Transport.

Which leads to the argument of 'is it really on the battlefield?'. Should be clarified and hopefully will be when the DE FAQs roll around officially (because this formation wasn't out when they asked the questions). Just give HQs a Jetbike or Hellion Board or something. It's disheartening that the so called fastest Eldar can't move further than 6".

casvalremdeikun wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Why should BA get everything C:SM gets? C:SM doesn't get everything BA get!

I tell you what, when my Salamanders can take Baal Predators your BA can have Grav.

Right now BA are more Flamey than Salamanders. What sense does that make? Flamer tanks, heavy flamers in Tac squads, hand flamers and meltas.

Get over it.

I don't think they should have everything that C:SM get. Perhaps some things, but not all. I think the flyers would be appropriate, since Blood Angels pilots are supposed to be the ace pilots among the Space Marines. The flak tanks aren't as much of an issue. BA don't need Thunderfire Cannons, they have other anti-infantry platforms.

Salamanders should just get chapter tactics to allow this, sort of like FW Fire Hawk. Not take the unique units that BA have. I'll be damned if you even considering taking Fast Predators.

Salamanders can take the Infernus Pattern Predator. It is better in practically every way than the Baal Predator. Salamanders can quit their bitching. And they can take Grav Cannons in their Tacticals and Devastators, Blood Angels can do neither.

Rumours thread, not "open letter to GW" thread.

I am really surprised at how tame the Eldar formation is. Yes, TL the stupid Fire Prism is pretty potent, but they honestly could have done a lot worse.

Yeah, could've given the whole formation Fear.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, could've given the whole formation Fear.

It could have gone in either direction. I was kind of surprised it didn't give everything near the Farseer Rending. Just to make Scatterbikes the definitive version of Windriders.

That is a really, really solid DE formation.

Couple things of note:

1) The Kabbies do not have to be a 10 man squad, and

2) the raider is separate, not a mandatory DT.

So you're free to take your raider as a taxi for some allies, run the kabbies as 5-man with a blaster in a venom, and then grab a second venom for the archon himself, and both of those get folded into the formation benefits with their sweet double splinter cannon loadouts.

Then, you take 6 reavers with 2 cluster caltrops for a unit that can threaten and kill most stuff and you're absolutely golden.


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 Frozocrone wrote:

Sinful Hero wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:

Which leads to the argument of 'is it really on the battlefield?'. Should be clarified and hopefully will be when the DE FAQs roll around officially (because this formation wasn't out when they asked the questions). Just give HQs a Jetbike or Hellion Board or something. It's disheartening that the so called fastest Eldar can't move further than 6".

No it doesn't?

Look, to shoot a target you need to be able to draw LOS to it, right?

And the venom or raider the archon is in is open-topped, which means he can shoot from any point on the vehicle.

Which means he can draw line of sight from any point on the vehicle...or else he couldn't shoot.

the_scotsman wrote:

Spoiler:

That is a really, really solid DE formation.

Couple things of note:

1) The Kabbies do not have to be a 10 man squad, and

2) the raider is separate, not a mandatory DT.

So you're free to take your raider as a taxi for some allies, run the kabbies as 5-man with a blaster in a venom, and then grab a second venom for the archon himself, and both of those get folded into the formation benefits with their sweet double splinter cannon loadouts.

Then, you take 6 reavers with 2 cluster caltrops for a unit that can threaten and kill most stuff and you're absolutely golden.


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 Frozocrone wrote:

Sinful Hero wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:

Which leads to the argument of 'is it really on the battlefield?'. Should be clarified and hopefully will be when the DE FAQs roll around officially (because this formation wasn't out when they asked the questions). Just give HQs a Jetbike or Hellion Board or something. It's disheartening that the so called fastest Eldar can't move further than 6".

No it doesn't?

Look, to shoot a target you need to be able to draw LOS to it, right?

And the venom or raider the archon is in is open-topped, which means he can shoot from any point on the vehicle.

Which means he can draw line of sight from any point on the vehicle...or else he couldn't shoot.

From GW Facebook page:

When a unit embarks on a vehicle it is taken off the battlefield and does not interact with anything on the battlefield. However, certain rules may create exceptions to this rule, with the most obvious examples being Fire Points and psychic powers and Transports. If a unit’s rules are meant to apply even when embarked on a Transport, they will specify this.

So he can draw Line of Sight for shooting and fire weapons as per the rules allowing it.not for giving PE to the Kabalite Warriors.

Best leave that for YMDC though..

I like the Eldar formation rules. You get a nice perk for taking an oft neglected unit. But nothing game breaking.

It’s the level I think formations should be scaled at.

IMHO, YMMV, etc.

 Nevelon wrote:
I like the Eldar formation rules. You get a nice perk for taking an oft neglected unit. But nothing game breaking.

It’s the level I think formations should be scaled at.

IMHO, YMMV, etc.

I definitely agree with this. The Space Marine doubleshot ability is about on par with it.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, could've given the whole formation Fear.

It could have gone in either direction. I was kind of surprised it didn't give everything near the Farseer Rending. Just to make Scatterbikes the definitive version of Windriders.

Bladestorm, remember?

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, could've given the whole formation Fear.

It could have gone in either direction. I was kind of surprised it didn't give everything near the Farseer Rending. Just to make Scatterbikes the definitive version of Windriders.

Bladestorm, remember?

What does that have to do with Scatter Lasers?

 Nevelon wrote:
I like the Eldar formation rules. You get a nice perk for taking an oft neglected unit. But nothing game breaking.

It’s the level I think formations should be scaled at.

IMHO, YMMV, etc.

It's a balanced formation given that Fire Prisms (and non-superheavy vehicles in general) aren't that good right now. It's a boost to a unit that could use some help and the "tax" is a good unit. So, it comes out to being pretty solid. Not one that is insta-take in Eldar lists, but if you were thinking of taking a Fire Prism or were trying to get another Farseer and/or unit of bikes, it's a good choice.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, could've given the whole formation Fear.

It could have gone in either direction. I was kind of surprised it didn't give everything near the Farseer Rending. Just to make Scatterbikes the definitive version of Windriders.

Bladestorm, remember?

He was trying to make the point that some players (including myself) still like the Shuricannon upgrade because of Bladestorm (rending lite). Some don't consider the Scatter laser the "auto-pick" for Windriders. But if the formation gave them Rending, suddenly there would be no point in the Shuricannon.

I am super glad the Eldar formation does noting to improve the bikes as they are already good. I love Fire Prisms and this formation might make me start fielding one again, although I am not sure ir's worth giving up Obsec on the bikes.

The Dark Eldar formation is good even if you get all technical and try to deny the Archons ability if embarked. Simply being able to add Reavers and Trueborn (as upgrades to the Warriors) to an army without needing a Troop tax is good.

Rending would also make the Scatter Lasers reliably be able to shave hull points off of all armor values. It would take away the one weakness of Scatter Lasers. I am glad they went with a buff on the Fire Prism. It needed it. The bikes and jetseer do not.

So now that the BA set is out, is there any word yet on what their Start Collecting! formation actually does?

Experiment 626 wrote:
So now that the BA set is out, is there any word yet on what their Start Collecting! formation actually does?

When not under night fighting conditions all infantry units in this formation cause all enemy units (and all models with faction: Space Wolves) within 12" to take a blind test.

Experiment 626 wrote:
So now that the BA set is out, is there any word yet on what their Start Collecting! formation actually does?

The BA set isn't out yet, it just went up for pre-order yesterday. If things are similar to the Eldar leak, we will know around Thursday.

There is a review of the Eldar Sketchbook with lots of photos on Magpie and Old Lead

http://magpieandoldlead.blogspot.de/2016/06/the-eldar-sketchbook-review.html

Come on, GW, make it available in larger amounts...

I already have all the sketches in that book in all the original places they were released, mostly White Dwarfs.

Worst formation ever.

The formation benefit can be summarized as "OR bring a Sanguinary Priest and get a much better benefit."

That does seem a little lackluster.

 Nevelon wrote:
That does seem a little lackluster.

Even if it was FNP for the entire game it would be lackluster since it is just the Sanguinary Priest's benefit without the +1WS.

This actually made it so I won't be buying this boxed set. Not worth the hassle of offloading an extra Karlaen.

I love how they get It Will Not Die because they're emulating Sanguinius who... died

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
That does seem a little lackluster.

Even if it was FNP for the entire game it would be lackluster since it is just the Sanguinary Priest's benefit without the +1WS.

This actually made it so I won't be buying this boxed set. Not worth the hassle of offloading an extra Karlaen.

Well, at least it's not 'Hatred' for an army that already has multiple ways of getting said rule, and on a bunch of units that'll never get close to making it into assault range of anything.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
I already have all the sketches in that book in all the original places they were released, mostly White Dwarfs.

The biker sketches werent new? Did they publish them in WDW? You are right, it is already released material. Getting all of them in a handy collection - I missed out on buying the Gothic & Eldritch book back then - is something I would pay 30 GBP for though.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

The formation benefit can be summarized as "OR bring a Sanguinary Priest and get a much better benefit."

you could use the priest elsewhere too and get both

Experiment 626 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
That does seem a little lackluster.

Even if it was FNP for the entire game it would be lackluster since it is just the Sanguinary Priest's benefit without the +1WS.

This actually made it so I won't be buying this boxed set. Not worth the hassle of offloading an extra Karlaen.

Well, at least it's not 'Hatred' for an army that already has multiple ways of getting said rule, and on a bunch of units that'll never get close to making it into assault range of anything.

Because BA don't have any easy time getting FNP? And at least Hatred lasts all game, not a single turn.

Do Sanguinary Priests give FnP and IWND to Baal Predators? Those work on vehicles right, to recover Hull Points?

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Do Sanguinary Priests give FnP and IWND to Baal Predators? Those work on vehicles right, to recover Hull Points?

FnP doesn't, but IWND should.