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In a equal fight or one on one dual who is the best?


I am writing a story involving both races and I would like to get a sence of peoples opinion, maybe someone could list the pros and con of each it would be much thanked.

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Lone space marines are known to slaughter dozens of orks singlehandedly.

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That said, there are only about a million Space Marines total, and countless billions of orks

It really depends on which author you want to use as a reference. Some of the BL books/codex stories are serious SM fanspank, while others are a bit more gritty.

The Viletide: Daemons of Nurgle/Deathguard: 7400 pts
Disclples of the Dragon - Ad Mech - about 2000 pts
GSC - about 2000 Pts
Rhulic Mercs - um...many...
Circle Oroboros - 300 Pts or so
Menoth - 300+ pts
 
   
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Yeah, orks are deadly but really not a match, one on one for space marines.

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One on one, a SM will beat an Ork Boy, almost every time.

Ork boyz cost 1/3 as much in points, and are inferior in stats and armour.

An ork Warboss, on the other hand, will kill regular marines like it's going out of style

An equal fight would likely come out....equal

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Disclples of the Dragon - Ad Mech - about 2000 pts
GSC - about 2000 Pts
Rhulic Mercs - um...many...
Circle Oroboros - 300 Pts or so
Menoth - 300+ pts
 
   
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Themanwiththeplan wrote:
In a equal fight or one on one dual who is the best?


I am writing a story involving both races and I would like to get a sence of peoples opinion, maybe someone could list the pros and con of each it would be much thanked.


Ya know i think posts like this are starting to become a conspiracy of chaos to pit all sides against one another until they are the most unified force in the galaxy...

In all seriousness, asking who is better is going to to make every nerd for both factions rage. Suffice to say they both can cause untold damage. I want to personally say orks operate on a much larger scale than marines can normally handle so you have the idea of the brute and the hero story concept both equal in different ways but the hero's advantage is not to waste his time proving he's equal to the brute which one go down without it being a tooth pull ordeal.

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Personally I'm going by fluff marines and orks not game-wise myself.


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It depends, one of the best moments of a deathwatch game on the site in my sig was our squad of about 10 astartes holding out against a waaag all night and defending a hive city, we racked up a kill count into the thousands...

Though it is all about your own aesthetics.

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Space Marines fluff wise are better than the average boy, its when the Big 'Uns get involved and such that things start getting interesting but one on one Marines.

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I am writing my own story (the panthers claws in dakka fiction) and don't want it to be all marines win again as this is fluff for my d.i.y. chapter and their are only 3 companies (at the moment) then again I don't want it to be another chapter on the brink because.... In the story I am going to try to be equal to both races and show off their strengths so both sets of factions can enjoy it

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Everything I see is having marines as exceptional at range, but orks as exceptionally dangerous in close quarters.

For balance in your story I'd have close combat as a desperate affair against orks even, but brutal, while the marines excel at whittling down numbers at range.

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Id do ork kommando vs a regular space marine. In fluff the kommando's train to be the best and seem to be the shock troops of the orks. I think they would be the best match up since they have some skill at combat mixed in with an orks raw strenghth!

orkz are da best!!!
 
   
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In a fair fight ork would win easily.

An ork is a very skilled in close combat.

Ork's strenght and toughness exceeds space mahreens

The only advantage mahreen has is his plot armor but because this is suppose to be a fair fight mahreen wont have his plot armor.

Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.

If you can't defend or won't defend your opinion then that "opinion" is bs. Stop trying to tip-toe and defend what you believe in. 
   
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Yes willham I like them to and later on the kammando's will be showing of their skills so don't worry illuknisaa the plot armour on these ummies iz very fin.

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For I am a spider, and you are the fly. Now that you are here, let us sit, and say hi.
But I have have no morsel to share, nor anything to eat. But wait, what is that stickiness upon your feet.
Ah now I have you, now I can eat. Now I can enjoy you, or store you as meat.
For I am the spider, and you are the fly. How else could it have gone, between one such as you, and one such as I.
 
   
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Orks iz da best cos deyz made fer fightin' an' winnin'!

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 ineptus astartes wrote:
Lone space marines are known to slaughter dozens of orks singlehandedly.


Imagine if the marine used both arms!

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From what I can tell from BL books, the orks win if there's enough of them to overwhelm the marines. Otherwise, marines win. But marines can ill afford losses. Plus, a single ork of special status can stand up to a marine. A full warboss can chew up marines like there was nothing to it.
Aw. but who karez? In da end, any good scrap dem marine boyz 'ave wif da orkz iz a net viktury fer us, kuz one dead marine weakenz da lot of em. Dead orks 'appen all da time and dere's alwayz more.


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I agree with Mellissa that a regular boy would probably slaughter a veteran Space Marine captain in close combat.
   
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Ooooooooooooooooh I see what you did there.

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 illuknisaa wrote:
In a fair fight ork would win easily.

An ork is a very skilled in close combat.

Ork's strenght and toughness exceeds space mahreens

The only advantage mahreen has is his plot armor but because this is suppose to be a fair fight mahreen wont have his plot armor.


Toughness maybe.

But the average Ork Boy is physically weaker than the average Marine. They are slower as well. They are also not as well-armoured.

The average Boy is decidedly lesser than the average Marine.


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BlaxicanX wrote:
I agree with Mellissa that a regular boy would probably slaughter a veteran Space Marine captain in close combat.


She (I am assuming Melissia is a she, since, well, username is Melissia, lol) hasn't actually posted in this thread yet.

Baiting isn't very nice Blax.

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All I know is, never underestimate an ork.

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Orks are widely known to be monumentally poor tacticians, as all they care about is fighting, and any marine worth his salt knows this and uses it to his advantage.

Orks are always portrayed as a horde army, rushing up at foes (usually astartes) to get butchered messily until the ones who can climb over the corpses manage to swamp down the marines. I've heard of dozens of instances of five or four, heck, even one or two marines wiping out entire companies of orks.

Space Marines are generally accepted as 'the best' foot soldiers in the galaxy at large in a kill-to killed ratio. that said, there are only about a million of them in existence.

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So what about Mek boyz, how do they stack up against a space marine? now I know they're not really front line fodder but say the ummies had some how got into the camp and they came across a Mek boy how would that play out?

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For I am a spider, and you are the fly. Now that you are here, let us sit, and say hi.
But I have have no morsel to share, nor anything to eat. But wait, what is that stickiness upon your feet.
Ah now I have you, now I can eat. Now I can enjoy you, or store you as meat.
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One of the tough things about that question (and the prior one) is that it's hard to talk about a normal Ork Boy or Big Mek.

Big Mek Ratchethead may be a weedy little git mostly useful to the boss for his knowledge of making stompas, while Big Mek Geargrinda may be all about fine tuning his powerklaw to better krump them marine boys. And either one might have found some fancy gubbins to put together into a gun that will tear a hole right through power armor provided they can hit the marine.

The only real constant is that Orks get bigger and tougher the more they fight (so long as they live through the fighting). For the sake of your story you could easily make the Mek a match or more than one for the marine, or weak individually but protected by a killa kan he just installed a gretchin in, or just an easily killed speed bump, or whatever else you need to make the narrative work.

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Themanwiththeplan wrote:
In a equal fight or one on one dual who is the best?


I am writing a story involving both races and I would like to get a sence of peoples opinion, maybe someone could list the pros and con of each it would be much thanked.



In my opinion it all depends on what type of Ork/Marine army your playing agains, I think that in 40k you can't have an equel/fair fight because every army army is differen't. And correct me if I'm wrong but in the middle of a battle/camagin why would ether side want a fair fight, it just wouldent happen.

But I think if you want your story to be origional you should have an ork win , because SM winning all the time in black libiary books is starting to get a bit boring.


P.S. I think Themanwiththeplan is an epic name.

May your rolls be high and your victories countless


 
   
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thanks Zim that was helpful and Da speed freak my name is Dan so my user name just had to be that lol

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For I am the spider, and you are the fly. How else could it have gone, between one such as you, and one such as I.
 
   
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 ineptus astartes wrote:

I've heard of dozens of instances of five or four, heck, even one or two marines wiping out entire companies of orks.

Orks don't come in companies
They come in hordes. Hordes and hordes and hordes and hordes and hordes.

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Void__Dragon wrote:
 illuknisaa wrote:
In a fair fight ork would win easily.

An ork is a very skilled in close combat.

Ork's strenght and toughness exceeds space mahreens

The only advantage mahreen has is his plot armor but because this is suppose to be a fair fight mahreen wont have his plot armor.


Toughness maybe.

But the average Ork Boy is physically weaker than the average Marine. They are slower as well. They are also not as well-armoured.

The average Boy is decidedly lesser than the average Marine.



You know that power armor enhanches weawers strenght? Also ork choppa is a huge piece of solid metal while a chainsword looks like a toothpick.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Power_Armour#.UG2uw1GweNE


Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.

If you can't defend or won't defend your opinion then that "opinion" is bs. Stop trying to tip-toe and defend what you believe in. 
   
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 CuddlySquig wrote:

Aw. but who karez? In da end, any good scrap dem marine boyz 'ave wif da orkz iz a net viktury fer us, kuz one dead marine weakenz da lot of em. Dead orks 'appen all da time and dere's alwayz more.





dis you stinky gits!


& not only dat but not all orks is BOYZ. some of um is MANZ... and even it if aint a MANZ it could be a nob and put down a proppa krumpin on some beakies



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 illuknisaa wrote:
You know that power armor enhanches weawers strenght? Also ork choppa is a huge piece of solid metal while a chainsword looks like a toothpick.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Power_Armour#.UG2uw1GweNE



I know that a Space Marine scout could physically manhandle an Ork Boy.

Be it in the main gameline or the RPGs, even unarmored Marines have higher strength, and there is exactly no piece of fluff that supports an Ork Boy being physically stronger than even an unarmoured Marine (But I can cite sources of Marines overpowering standard Boyz, Fulgrim, for example).
   
 
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