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New player here; I don't have much money to spend, so i'm looking for ways to expand my current stock of models instead of revamping my army. I've created 2 lists that are in the spoiler tags below and i intend on buying the needed models for list 1 first and improve upon that list by acquiring the needed models for list 2 afterwards.
However, since i haven't ordered any models in either list yet, i'd like to hear your advice on the lists. It would also be kind if you could provide any ideas on how to make a 2k list out of it in the future; i think my list lacks Annhilation Barges so far, therefore i plan on adding some more into my 2k list.

Please note that i do not want to change the list too much, unless there is a good reason for it (e.g. i royally screwed up, which is hard to do if you're using the necron codex, unless you spam Flayed Ones without using Imothek) . Most of the Units in the list are ones that i'm probably gonna be comfortable with. I also want to avoid flyers.

Already bought:


List 1:


List 2:


I also want to end this post with two questions:

1st:
If a D.Lord is in a unit with Wraiths, do all wraiths get preferred enemy? I think i once saw that in a thread.
2nd:
"Harbinger of Despair - Abyssal Staff, Veil of Darkness + 5 Deathmarks "
If i read the rules currently, i can basically deploy these when the enemy gets his reserves into the game, mark a target, then use the enemies' shooting phase to blast him with the abyssal staff and the deathmark's rifles, and i can repeat that in my own next movement turn via veil of darkness - is that correct?

Thanks for your answers and suggestions in advance; if you have any questions about why i chose what, just ask.

"Harbinger of Despair - Abyssal Staff, Veil of Darkness + 5 Deathmarks "
If i read the rules currently, i can basically deploy these when the enemy gets his reserves into the game, mark a target, then use the enemies' shooting phase to blast him with the abyssal staff and the deathmark's rifles, and i can repeat that in my own next movement turn via veil of darkness - is that correct?

As you have a Crytpek in the squad, who doesn't have Deepstrike, you cannot use the Deathmarks deep striking ability, and also, even if they could deepstrike during the opponents turn, they couldn't shoot during his turn anyways outside of overwatch if he assaults of course. However, if the unit would come into reserves from your side of the table, your Veiltek COULD use his VoD to use the Deepstriking rules(note this only uses the rules for deepstrike, but it does NOT count as deepstriking for whatever reason) to pop anywhere on the table.

As a side note, you mark the target after deployment before the game starts, if i remember correctly.


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sorry thought I'd add that if you were to run scarabs, run them in a full squad, otherwise they'd just be fodder as they're not terribly strong, and only really become useful as an assault unit (compared to the Wraiths) when attacking vehicles or locking up an opponent's unit for a few turns (aka tarpiting)

Although, if you just want an attack squad to kill things, Wraiths are a whole nother league to scarabs (take a full unit of Wraiths or they lose alot of their effectiveness)

overlordweasel wrote:
even if they could deepstrike during the opponents turn, they couldn't shoot during his turn anyways outside of overwatch if he assaults of course.

I only have the german rulebook so this could be wrong, but it mentions that whenever a unit deepstrikes, it can shoot in the following shooting phase of that player turn, so i guessed that this was the entire point of the deathmarks' deepstrike-while-enemy-turn-ability. There's also nothing on the errata or the faq.

overlordweasel wrote:

As you have a Crytpek in the squad, who doesn't have Deepstrike, you cannot use the Deathmarks deep striking ability, [...] However, if the unit would come into reserves from your side of the table, your Veiltek COULD use his VoD to use the Deepstriking rules(note this only uses the rules for deepstrike, but it does NOT count as deepstriking for whatever reason) to pop anywhere on the table.

Speaking of the faq, i should've checked out the faq before this post

overlordweasel wrote:

As a side note, you mark the target after deployment before the game starts, if i remember correctly.

The text only mentions that it happens when they're deployed and seeing how the veil uses deep strike i thought that'd count as a new deployment.

So, long story short, they can come into the game via normal deployment, an enemy gets marked, i can teleport them in the movement phase, and then shoot in the movement phase, and that's all this 'combination' has to offer, right?

overlordweasel wrote:

sorry thought I'd add that if you were to run scarabs, run them in a full squad, otherwise they'd just be fodder as they're not terribly strong, and only really become useful as an assault unit (compared to the Wraiths) when attacking vehicles or locking up an opponent's unit for a few turns (aka tarpiting)

Although, if you just want an attack squad to kill things, Wraiths are a whole nother league to scarabs (take a full unit of Wraiths or they lose alot of their effectiveness)

Yeah, that's why i excluded them from the second list - i don't find them that useful for what they do. I'll guess i take some more wraiths when i try to come up with a good 2k list.

Oh, and i just noticed this:

overlordweasel wrote:

As you have a Crytpek in the squad, who doesn't have Deepstrike, you cannot use the Deathmarks deep striking ability

Q: Can a veil of darkness be used instead of moving onto the board
when a unit arrives from reserve? (p84)
A: Yes.


Still needs work, but this is how my 2k list looks so far:

I'm not sure, but I hope you know the purpose of sticking a Harbinger of Despair with a unit of Deathmarks is NOT for their hop-and-shoot ability.
(it's to abuse their Hunters from Hyperspace rule with the Abyssal Staff's AP1 template attach. Basically, look at the Deathmarks as a 95 point upgrade to the Dispair-tek that lets him wound on a 2+.)
In fact, the best way to get them around ISN'T by Veil of Darkness, it's with a Nightscythe (pin-point drop next to what ever unit you want dead, no risk of scatter).


Also-

Yes, Scarabs in groups less than 7 tend to die easily.

Yes, Wraiths gain Preferred Enemy if a Dlord joins them. (also, you probably don't need to have every single one of your Wraiths take a Whip Coil. Usually just 3 should be fine).

Doomsday Arks are a little too fickle. To be able to use them properly, you need to hold still. Holding still makes you easy to hit.
PLUS, if you miss, well, you're probably not going to get a second shot with them (usually if you're going to take DDAs, it pays to take a Stalker or two as well, to make sure your big guns get Twin Linking as well, making that one shot really count).

And here's a pro-tip: if you're trying to fit something into your list but you're short on a few points, and you've got units of 20 Warriors... trim some Warriors (as long as you've got over 15 of them, you're still good).

Thanks for all the advice!

adding to the veiltek with deathmarks combo cloaking in, correct me if i'm wrong, but when you come in from a deep strike, isn't the squad placed in a circle in btb contact STARTING with the character which would be the veiltek?

If that's the case, then the veilteks template weapon would be useless as you cant fire templates through your own squad, assumming you have deathmarks in the way.

overlordweasel wrote:
the veilteks template weapon would be useless as you cant fire templates through your own squad, assumming you have deathmarks in the way.

... are you serious?

overlordweasel wrote:
adding to the veiltek with deathmarks combo cloaking in, correct me if i'm wrong, but when you come in from a deep strike, isn't the squad placed in a circle in btb contact STARTING with the character which would be the veiltek?

If that's the case, then the veilteks template weapon would be useless as you cant fire templates through your own squad, assumming you have deathmarks in the way.

You place one model from the unit and start the circle around him, so you could have the Veiltek in the out circle and ready to fire.

 utarefson wrote:

Still needs work, but this is how my 2k list looks so far:

Spoiler:

Overlord - Staff of Light, Weave, Res Orb, MSS
20 Necron Warriors

Lord - Staff of Light, Res Orb
20 Necron Warriors

Royal Court; 5 Harbinger of Destruction in a Ghost Ark

Destroyer Lord - Weave, MSS
6 Wraiths - Whip Coils

6 Wraiths - Whip Coils

3 Annhilation Barges

1995 Points in Total

I'd prefer it if there was a way for the Destroyer Lord to have a Tachyon Arrow, but i couldn't really find a way to fit it in.

Any opinion on my 2k list?
I'm not sure if i've got enough scoring units and if the silver tide to wraithwring ratio is okay, and i was thinking of maybe turning the two squads of 20 warriors into 15 warrior squads, but giving the destroyer lord the tachyon arrow & ading 6 immortals, though i'm not sure of how useful that'll be.

The second list is a clean 2000 points list and the second one is compromise between the previous list and the other new list.