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2012/11/09 11:31:25
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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Okay -- in the UK anyway -- the Mines of Moria box sets are being pulled (for good) and will either be sent back/returned as time goes by or opened up for use as demo minis etc etc.
The usually reliable Mr. BramGaunt from 'seer posted the following
So, here is what I heard on The Hobbit release in december. Take with salt, allthough my source was pretty confident, and he should know.
Release of The Hobbit game is scheduled for december 1st, with preorders starting November 24th. New WD should hold all the information, so I'd expect pictures around the 20th.
The LotR tabletop game will be renamed "The Hobbit". War of the Rings stays the same (for now). This is to emphasize on the difference inbetween the two systems. I've heard rumours of a "Battle of the five armies" supplement for War of the Ring, but I would not expect this anytime sooner then the 3rd movie. Probably more an educated guess then a rumour.
The one product for the Hobbit in december (as far as I know we really only get one) is a boxed game in the lines of Dark Vengence and Island of Blood. It contains more miniatures then Dark Vengance. No definite info on the contents, but 13 dwarves, a hobbit and a wizard should be a safe bet. No words on the opponents. I'm guessing goblins and wargs, with something big the dwarves can steamroll.
The box is supposed to contain scenery.
The box also comes with a brand new rule book. It's a complete new set of rules, though they are probably based on the current rules. Though I am very excited about this, hold your horses. It's still just rumours.
For the time being, the only way to obtain the book ist the boxed set. No hardcover, allthough I'd expect that to change in the future.
Now the downside is the price is located somewhere around 100€. That would roughly put it in the same category as the current Space Marine battalion (check your regional website for price comparison)
There were hints on a limited edition of the boxed set. Worked pretty well for Dark Vengance.
Enjoy, and take it with salt, as always.
I hear that the current "army books" are staying and will remain valid, presumably so people can still play the large scale combat game, no idea as to compatibility with the forthcoming Hobbit game.
There will be other releases, presumably soon after/regularly once the game has launched.
the eagle eyed amongst you may well have glimpsed the leaked picture of Radagast ( sp ?) the Brown before "requests" were made to remove the pictures --- so, please, don't (re)post them here if you have/find them. Thanks , be interesting to see exactly what ( if anything) this might herald.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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2012/11/09 11:44:25
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Imperial Knight
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More minis than Dark Vengeance and €100,-? Hate to sound like something a lot of people hate around here, but that is a reasonable price actually for the amount of plastic given. I'm actually looking forward to this one with interest now.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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2012/11/09 12:14:11
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Calculating Commissar
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How much?!?!
Granted it has more mini's that DV, but aren't the LOTR mini's slightly smaller anyway? And if the bulk of the figures are smaller still (Dwarfs, Hobbits, Goblins) there's potentially less plastic* in the box.
* Yes I know the volume of material is largely irrelevant, as the cost comes from the design and tooling, but small plastics will feel less valuable than big plastics.
At what sounds like £90 for a starter box, it's going to be too steep for a casual purchase and a lot of Christmas present lists. I was interested, but at that money I probably won't bother.
If anyone sees details of the Mines of Moria sets being sold off at a clearance rate I'd appreciate a heads up though
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2012/11/09 12:21:46
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Herzlos wrote:How much?!?!
Granted it has more mini's that DV, but aren't the LOTR mini's slightly smaller anyway? And if the bulk of the figures are smaller still (Dwarfs, Hobbits, Goblins) there's potentially less plastic* in the box.
* Yes I know the volume of material is largely irrelevant, as the cost comes from the design and tooling, but small plastics will feel less valuable than big plastics.
At what sounds like £90 for a starter box, it's going to be too steep for a casual purchase and a lot of Christmas present lists. I was interested, but at that money I probably won't bother.
If anyone sees details of the Mines of Moria sets being sold off at a clearance rate I'd appreciate a heads up though
The LOTR line was Perry sculpted wasn't it? at the request of PJ or New Line. I hope they are doing the Hobbit range. Got to love tru sacle 28mm!
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2012/11/09 12:23:42
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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I don't think it'll be £90.
The other 2 box sets are £61.50, so I'd expect the Hobbit box set to priced around or near that amount.
I agree that £90 would be excessive even by GW's....... unique........ view of reality things.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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2012/11/09 12:24:08
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Imperial Knight
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Chances are Peter Jackson himself, he's a good friend of the twins.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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2012/11/09 12:28:23
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Angry Blood Angel Assault marine
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Local GW posted on Facebook just now confirming that today is the last chance to buy the Mines of Moria box ever...
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2012/11/09 12:47:58
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Calculating Commissar
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Mr. Burning wrote:The LOTR line was Perry sculpted wasn't it? at the request of PJ or New Line. I hope they are doing the Hobbit range. Got to love tru sacle 28mm!
Cool However the Perry brothers can produce sculpts far cheaper than GW sells them (have a look at their own line).
I might get it then for the figures, if the price is reasonable (i.e. no more than DV)
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2012/11/09 12:49:17
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Dakka Veteran
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redbristles wrote:Local GW posted on Facebook just now confirming that today is the last chance to buy the Mines of Moria box ever...
Looks like it isn't on the website either.
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2012/11/09 13:02:20
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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but I would not expect this anytime sooner then the 3rd movie
I forgot that they have now split the book into 3 films even.....
How about milking them cow$ huh? Hopefully it will not ruin the story by adding too much random nonsense.
If this starter box is fully playable by itself without it getting boring/repetitive quickly, it isn't a game where you need to add tons of troops & buy massive amounts of additional stuff, or the factions aren't too one-sided in strenght I might even take a look at it... we'll see though if it turns out nice or as the usual blatant overpriced moneygrab GW has been about lately.
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2012/11/09 13:31:53
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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I wouldn't get too excited about this set having "more figures" than the 40k stuff. You need to remember how much smaller the figures are and how much less detail you can put onto a model that size. The terrain might be interesting though.
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2012/11/09 15:14:00
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Fighter Pilot
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Wait, whut ?
What is going to happen to all the existing minies ?
I actualy love the LOTR game, please don't take it away from me....
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2012/11/09 15:53:44
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Virulent Space Marine dedicated to Nurgle
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I really hope they don't change the game too much, LoTR SBG is probably my favourite system and I'd hate to see it go!
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2012/11/09 18:56:59
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Barpharanges
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The Radgast miniature is hit and miss, but still, Lord of the Rings coming back into the lime light suits me just fine.
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The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy. |
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2012/11/09 19:59:12
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I totally understand removing the Mines set from retailers in the short term - that's just to make space for all the new Hobbit stuff - but seems very odd to retire it forever, I'd have expected it to at least remain as Mail Order, it is after all their entry level box to suck people into the whole LotR gaming system. But maybe they think a Hobbit equivalent will do the same, and they're aiming for a more generic Middle Earth gaming system, just as various 40K players like to play different time periods in the 40K universe...
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2012/11/09 20:00:23
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Imperial Knight
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Isn't Mines of Moria well over a decade old now?
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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2012/11/09 20:00:52
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Virulent Space Marine dedicated to Nurgle
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Anyone else notice this? http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=9700025 And the rulebook is no longer on the site (I think)
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"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends." Mithrandir
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2012/11/09 20:06:06
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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mayfist wrote:Wait, whut ?
What is going to happen to all the existing minies ?
I actualy love the LOTR game, please don't take it away from me....
I would recommend actually reading the OP before commenting.
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2012/11/09 20:27:45
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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nice spot !
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king, |
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2012/11/09 20:37:20
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Barpharanges
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Is it me, or do Games Workshop leaves these images and such lying around on purpose?
Possibly GW is like Dr Gerald and Mr Hyde, changing opinions on the fanbase and releases, before becoming a monster and replacing images with blanks and quickly reverting mistakes.
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2012/11/09 20:39:51
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Virulent Space Marine dedicated to Nurgle
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blood reaper wrote:
Is it me, or do Games Workshop leaves these images and such lying around on purpose?
Possibly GW is like Dr Gerald and Mr Hyde, changing opinions on the fanbase and releases, before becoming a monster and replacing images with blanks and quickly reverting mistakes.
Most likely. No doubt the image would have disappeared by tomorrow as well
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"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends." Mithrandir
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2012/11/09 20:40:23
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Maybe it's just me, but that chaos star is looking awfully Christmassy.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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2012/11/09 20:41:56
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Barpharanges
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BrookM wrote:Maybe it's just me, but that chaos star is looking awfully Christmassy. "Merry Chaosmas Eye of Terror! Merry Chaosmas and a happy Blood for the Blood God to you!"
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2012/11/10 00:05:40
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Chaos Hobbits? An unexpected journey indeed
Anyway:
Danny76 over at Warseer wrote:I don't normally post what rumours I get or throw them in the anonymous option, but I'll just add here as I do have a soft spot for LotR SBG, and it has now been mentioned from another source.
The new rules are like a new edition of SBG, nothing gets invalidated at all, and they have been very careful to make sure that is so.
I too have heard that the box set is on the way and awesome. What I originally heard about the extra stuff coming outside the box was that they would be released after general release of the film, and only the box would be available before, and the same applied for the hardback rulebook.
Now if this was/and still is the case, I wonder what WD would show in terms of 'releases for the month' as if they are keeping it a secret then they'd have to leave it out..
That was pretty set as a schedule before apparently, but now things are a little different. Unfortunately I don't know whether different means now all at the start with the box, or all pushed back to the following month except the box. If I hear any more I shall mention it..
Take as you wish as always =)
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2012/11/10 01:29:23
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Re the Mines set going bye bye, it would of course seem pretty easy for GW to recut the sprues to create a kit containing only the Fellowship figures - they are the main unique selling point of the Mines set (presuming the new set also contains assorted villains, a few bits of scenery etc etc).
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2012/11/10 04:45:40
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Fighter Pilot
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Griever wrote: mayfist wrote:Wait, whut ?
What is going to happen to all the existing minies ?
I actualy love the LOTR game, please don't take it away from me....
I would recommend actually reading the OP before commenting.
And they are renaming the game "the hobit", changing the rules and adding new figs. I can read thank you very much. You don't randomly change name, unless there are some huge changes to the game incoming.
I've high hopes fro this.... You could reread my comment as "please don't ruin the game I spent my entire childhood on and just got back on board with".
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2012/11/10 04:48:57
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Sergeant Major
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Clang wrote:Re the Mines set going bye bye, it would of course seem pretty easy for GW to recut the sprues to create a kit containing only the Fellowship figures - they are the main unique selling point of the Mines set (presuming the new set also contains assorted villains, a few bits of scenery etc etc).
Why on earth would GW do that when they can charge you a fortune for the Finecast Fellowship box?
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2012/11/10 08:14:54
Subject: LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Calculating Commissar
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mayfist wrote:
And they are renaming the game "the hobit", changing the rules and adding new figs. I can read thank you very much. You don't randomly change name, unless there are some huge changes to the game incoming.
You do if you're trying to tie it to a trilogy of films being released now as opposed to a trilogy of films released ten years ago. It's first and foremost a branding decision.
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2012/11/10 13:52:43
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Evasive Pleasureseeker
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deathstreak2000 wrote:I really hope they don't change the game too much, LoTR SBG is probably my favourite system and I'd hate to see it go!
I just hope they fix the fight system. I'm sick and tired of auto-losing just because my opponent can roll 6's and has a point higher fight value!
What's the fething problem with a proper WS bases system? Right now the SBG is far too skewed towards Good, and Evil players are forced to either play Uruk-Hai or else you have to shoehorn as many big characters and gribblies as possible into your warbands.
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2012/11/10 14:41:03
Subject: Re:LOTR/WOTR/Hobbit news.
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Fighter Pilot
Strasbourg France
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Experiment 626 wrote: deathstreak2000 wrote:I really hope they don't change the game too much, LoTR SBG is probably my favourite system and I'd hate to see it go!
I just hope they fix the fight system. I'm sick and tired of auto-losing just because my opponent can roll 6's and has a point higher fight value!
What's the fething problem with a proper WS bases system? Right now the SBG is far too skewed towards Good, and Evil players are forced to either play Uruk-Hai or else you have to shoehorn as many big characters and gribblies as possible into your warbands.
Thats the point of Evil forces like goblins and orcs. You are suppose to tarpit them while your Nazgul and co shred them to pieces. And even then, remeber that a goblin can slay a tower guard thanks to the system, in 1on1 combat.
And yes, the combat system is simple, but I enjoy it for its simplicity.
@Agamemnon2
But by doing so it sounds like there dumping the old models and story, instead of integrating the new range to the old one. I wouldn't be so worried about this if they had renamed The Middle Earth strategy battle game.
You see what I'm trying to say ?
I doubt they will dump them, but its a fear I can't really shake....
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