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In another thread I mentioned some small business owners I am friends with saying that Obamacare will interfere with the ability of small busnesses to compete with large corporations. They went on to say that they are scrapping plans to hire new employees and possibly having to lay off employees that they otherwise would not have to as well as having to raise prices on their services.
I noticed this article about Papa John's where the CEO is saying essentually the same thing:
These are all people who have built succesful businesses, so shouldn't be just discounted because they do make a good case. Apparently talk of a 35% tax break is not enough to put their fears to rest.
I guess the question is now how will the chips fall when everything is said and done, and how much will Obamacare contribute to unemployment if it in fact does.
Lots of cut hours and part time hire...like no one saw this coming or its just small business getting back at Obama. Everyone has healthcare though...maybe...
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I'm looking at opening a small business in the next year and a half, amongst other things the ACA certainly isn't helping the task of finding backers. Thankfully my personnel needs are pretty low in general. Shop staff will be a mix of part time and full time, and all of my instructor staff will be part time if not getting payed on commission.
Probably the latter, give'em a flat fee of "x" for each class taught, then a commission fee of "y" for every person in the course.
Regardless every full time position created is something I need to think long and hard about.
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“The impending costs of health care do not give business owners confidence to open that extra store or to hire more people and create the economic output our country needs.”
Translation: the author believes more gakky jobs with no benefits is preferential to better jobs.
Jim Amos, CEO and chairman of Tasti D-Lite, a frozen yogurt franchise that operates in 14 states as well as globally, is certain of one thing: The ruling will hinder growth in the franchise space. “It’s going to force franchisees to shift workers to part-time to avoid the 50-employee threshold
Translation: Jim Amos lives in a magical world where the kid serving up frozen yogurt in the food court isn't a part-time, minimum-wage employee already.
"Health-care reform shouldn’t come on the backs of small business."
I think "small business" needs to be redefined. 50 employees is a big-box retailer such as Best Buy, or a chain of at least 4-5 smaller retailers like Tasti D-Lite.
Wait, I thought the topic was "what Obamacare will mean for business", not "what Obamacare will mean for businesses run by idiots who are afraid to expand a profitable business because they won't make quite as much profit as they thought", or "conservative business owners fire employees they were going to fire anyway and blame Obamacare because it's easier to say 'I had no choice' than to admit that you just want to make more money by cutting redundant employees".
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Peregrine wrote: Wait, I thought the topic was "what Obamacare will mean for business", not "what Obamacare will mean for businesses run by idiots who are afraid to expand a profitable business because they won't make quite as much profit as they thought", or "conservative business owners fire employees they were going to fire anyway and blame Obamacare because it's easier to say 'I had no choice' than to admit that you just want to make more money by cutting redundant
employees".
You can say whatever insulting things you may about these people, calling them idiots or whatever in spite of the fact they run succesful businesses, but the fact remains that these will be the ones facing the challenges of running a business, not you. They will also be the ones that will be deciding if it's worth it to hire people full time or even to keep people on, not you.
Before calling someone an idiot for weighing out the risks to their livlihood and deciding trying to fund Obamacare will hurt them, try putting yourself in the shoes of a busnessman with a family worried about going beyond the means they have at their disposal by funding a social program and then being forced to shut their doors when they
can't make a profit because of it.
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You can say whatever insulting things you may about these people, calling them idiots or whatever in spite of the fact they run succesful businesses, but the fact remains that these will be the ones facing the challenges of running a business, not you. They will also be the ones that will be deciding if it's worth it to hire people full time or even to keep people on, not you.
I call bs. Most small business owners have no idea about greater economic matters.
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
“The impending costs of health care do not give business owners confidence to open that extra store or to hire more people and create the economic output our country needs.”
Translation: the author believes more gakky jobs with no benefits is preferential to better jobs.
Jim Amos, CEO and chairman of Tasti D-Lite, a frozen yogurt franchise that operates in 14 states as well as globally, is certain of one thing: The ruling will hinder growth in the franchise space. “It’s going to force franchisees to shift workers to part-time to avoid the 50-employee threshold
Translation: Jim Amos lives in a magical world where the kid serving up frozen yogurt in the food court isn't a part-time, minimum-wage employee already.
"Health-care reform shouldn’t come on the backs of small business."
I think "small business" needs to be redefined. 50 employees is a big-box retailer such as Best Buy, or a chain of at least 4-5 smaller retailers like Tasti D-Lite.
I think we all know enough people that have gakky jobs that prefer working to being unemployed. There are enough families out there with
members doing full time gigs at a fast food place to make me think you must live in some great town where it's only high school kids working there.
Are you saying you'd like to redefine what a small business is so that even more would go under trying to keep up with the demands of Obamacare and more people would be unemployed?
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Testify wrote: Isn't the US economy expected to grow strongly in the next year?
You can say whatever insulting things you may about these people, calling them idiots or whatever in spite of the fact they run succesful businesses, but the fact remains that these will be the ones facing the challenges of running a business, not you. They will also be the ones that will be deciding if it's worth it to hire people full time or even to keep people on, not you.
I call bs. Most small business owners have no idea about greater economic matters.
Enlighten us all please, in light of your great knowledge of these things which you no doubt gained by hiring people and keeping them employed for years.
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John Schnatter is a tool. In order to prevent having to give health care to full-time employees, hes going to only hire part timers.
His argument is that the increased cost of 3mil a year in health insurance is to much. This is how much Papa Johns makes.
Revenue.......................US$ 1.126,397 billion (2010)[1]
Operating income..........US$ 86.744 million (2010)[1]
Net income....................US$ 51.940 million (2010)[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papa_John's_Pizza
In comparison, Howard Schultz the CEO of Starbucks has been giving his part-time employees health insurance for years now. Every year Starbucks spends more on health care than it does on coffee beans.
d-usa wrote: It will be interesting how 2016 will look, with all out healthcare and non-failed businesses.
It's like we are reliving all the same arguments about minimum wage or the 40 hour workweek here...
I like what you're saying and I hope it is true, but right now the things I've posted are pretty much overwelmingly what I've been hearing small business owners talking about.
d-usa wrote: It will be interesting how 2016 will look, with all out healthcare and non-failed businesses.
It's like we are reliving all the same arguments about minimum wage or the 40 hour workweek here...
I like what you're saying and I hope it is true, but right now the things I've posted are pretty much overwelmingly what I've been hearing small business owners talking about.
They said the same thing about minimum wage, child labor laws, OSHA, overtime laws...
d-usa wrote: They said the same thing about minimum wage, child labor laws, OSHA, overtime laws...
This is true.
There is a valid concern that our healthcare costs are increasing as a whole though. We pay twice as much (as a percentage of GDP) than other countries, and the cost is increasing.
As a society its important for us to investigate why there is such inefficency in these systems and work to correct them.
labmouse42 wrote: There is a valid concern that our healthcare costs are increasing as a whole though. We pay twice as much (as a percentage of GDP) than other countries, and the cost is increasing.
As a society its important for us to investigate why there is such inefficency in these systems and work to correct them.
I expect the ever-expanding waistlines of North Americans has something to do with it.
And before anyone starts, Europeans are getting fatter, too.
Its not just small business that's gonna panic. I work for John Middleton, which is a subsidiary of Philip Morris (Owned by Altria). Yes, I work in the tobacco industry, which in June took a HUGE hit by Obama to fund Obamacare. Excise taxes went from $0.51 a pack to $1.51. Add that to the fact that the FDA now has jurisdiction over tobacco (thankfully not cigars yet) and I stand a pretty good chance at losing my career in the next year or so. Fully paid benefits for my family, lots of vacation time, best pay in the area for those that didn't finish school (though they just started a tuition reimbursement program to make us smrtr ). All gone in the next bit or so. I already have my resume out in the world, but not finding much to take the place of this job.
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Seaward wrote: I expect the ever-expanding waistlines of North Americans has something to do with it.
And before anyone starts, Europeans are getting fatter, too.
I completely agree.
There is also other red-tape foolishness that can be cut. Let me give you a real world example.
I had to submit a claim. In order to submit this claim I had to mail it to one office who then faxxed it to another office. The fax was illegible and UHC required me to mail the claim form again. I offered to email them a scanned version, yet that was not sufficent. A fax was required.
That is one example that I encountered. I am sure there are thousands of more examples of waste that can be trimmed.
Isn't it great that all of these business leaders will no longer have to deal with "uncertainty" now that the ACA will be put into place. I know how much they hate and fear "uncertainty".
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Easy E wrote: Isn't it great that all of these business leaders will no longer after to deal with "uncertainty" now that the ACA will be put into place. I know how much the hate and fear "uncertainty".
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I don't. Obesity is more common in America but not that much more common than the UK yet we still pay nearly half what the US does on health care per patient. There has to be some severe inefficencies or sheer profiteering in the US healthcare system to suck in so much money.
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Palindrome wrote: I don't. Obesity is more common in America but not that much more common than the UK yet we still pay nearly half what the US does on health care per patient.
Employers making noise about this surprise me, as I'd have thought the restrictions already placed on full time work and amount of vacation and holiday, along with other existing benefits for full time employees was already making most positions part time. I certainly saw this working in a big box store for the last two years. Full timers leaving after many years were already being replaced by part timers positions, usually amounting to less hours combined than the full time hours that had departed.
Businesses have been pulling this gak for over a decade now, it's hardly news.
Testify wrote: Isn't the US economy expected to grow strongly in the next year?
I haven't heard much positive in those regards. I've heard predictions of a stock market collapse. More stagnant growth like we've seen all this year. Jim Rogers, whom from all I can gather is very knowledgeable on this stuff, certainly seems to think our outlook for the next couple of years is pretty grim.
Lots of worry about what type of hammer the EPA is rumored to be about to drop on the coal industry. Very likely substantial tax hikes are coming soon with the "fiscal cliff", on top of what we're gonna see with the ACA.
All in all from my perspective I wouldn't expect strong growth next year.
). All gone in the next bit or so. I already have my resume out in the world, but not finding much to take the place of this job.
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