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Just how good is this thing in 6th edition I get that its a flyer with good armor, but it just doesnt seem to offer too much.

Anyone got another perspective?

Vendettas are the most criminally undercosted unit in all of 40k.

130 pts for a AV12 flyer that has 3 TL-lascannons with BS3. Its criminal, criminal I tell you!

It's the best way to take down other fliers in the codex, which makes it neat if you're trying to dominate the air game. That it's also a transport allows you to play air cav, which is a style some people like.

Of course, 3 TLLCs aren't too shabby either, but the fact that they don't start on the board, and probably won't be arriving until turn 2 or 3 and likely spending a turn or two off the board, and their firepower does leave a bit to be desired.

They're pretty tough to kill, though. The problem is that, depending on the kind of list your opponent plays, they're also possible to ignore.

Vendettas are like violence. If they don't solve your problems, use more.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Vendettas are the most criminally undercosted unit in all of 40k.

130 pts for a AV12 flyer that has 3 TL-lascannons with BS3. Its criminal, criminal I tell you!

You forgot the part where it can hover, and depending on your reading of the rules, outflank. And it comes in squadrons.

The Vendetta isn't an I-Win button by any stretch, but its silly good for its points cost. At this point its almost psychological weapon, because your opponent will tend to throw everything at them as soon as they arrive on the board for fear that it will single handedly bring down all of his/her hard targets.

Still - its just 3 tllc and the troops it transports are exactly killie considering how squishie they are.

 kaiservonhugal wrote:
Still - its just 3 tllc and the troops it transports are exactly killie considering how squishie they are.

3 TLLC for 130 points on an incredibly resilient platform isn't "just", that's flippin' amazing. It's criminally undercosted even without the transport space.

They are arguably the best Anti-vehicle unit in the game. If only broadsides had sky fire...

They are kind of useless against massed infantry though. With the meta changing away from vehicles they will lose some of their punch.

Compare the cost to a HWS with 3 lascannons. Then consider that its Twin-linked, and is only hit be shooting on 6s, is immune to being assaulted, can be squadroned, can outflank, and on top of that can carry a Veteran squad in to acurately apply meltafire.

The Vendetta should easily cost 180 pts.

3 TLLC's arriving on turn 2 or 3 that dont score or contest. Youre getting 2 or 3 turns of shooting. I do like that I can pretty much hit anywhere on the table though. I get that its useful, but I just dont see it as that overcosted or deserving of the hate. I think its a carry over from 5th.

It was undercosted then and its even more so in 6th.

With accuracy of 75%, its going to get between 2 and 3 hits a turn almost garunteed. Against side armor and sometimes rear armor.

IG also have the ability to boost their reserve rolls. So its a 2+ to come in.



Its stupidly reliable anti-tank thats very difficult to shoot down.

Kevlar wrote:They are arguably the best Anti-vehicle unit in the game

Oh, come now, it's not even the best anti-vehicle unit in the codex. BB medusas will kill vehicles faster, and really anything with Ap1 or the melta rule is going to do the job better.

I mean, for only 105 points you get a pair of melta stormtroopers. Assuming they land within 6" of their target (which is the most likely outcome with airborne assault), they're going to blow up a chimera nearly 2/3ds of the time and a land raider 1/3rd of the time. The vendetta does that 1/3rd and 1/8th respectively.

I like lascannons, but they're not the best anti-tank weapons in the game.

Grey Templar wrote:The Vendetta should easily cost 180 pts.

I agree that the vendetta should be more expensive, but that's because of their transport capability. Turn the vendetta into just a gunboat, and I don't think it needs to be THAT much more expensive than it is right now.

Really, the problem with vendettas being so much better than HWSs is a problem wit HWSs, not with vendettas.

It's stupid good. I always take 3 in my Aircav list.

If you bring 1, you'll see that it's a quite good unit to have on your side.

If you bring 2, you'll experience a significant power-boost in your list, and its mobility.

Bring 3 and you're mean.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Compare the cost to a HWS with 3 lascannons. Then consider that its Twin-linked, and is only hit be shooting on 6s, is immune to being assaulted, can be squadroned, can outflank, and on top of that can carry a Veteran squad in to acurately apply meltafire.

The Vendetta should easily cost 180 pts.

The HWS is also a troop choice that doesn't take up a FOC slot. Not disagreeing with you on that it deserves a point increase, but there's perks to the HWS squad too.

 daedalus wrote:
but there's perks to the HWS squad too.

they die as fast as you can deploy them counts as a perk, right?

As others have said, the Vendetta is one of the most undercosted, if not the most undercosted unit in the game, and is on my short list for the most powerful unit/model for its points in 40k. As others have mentioned, you get 3 Twin Linked Lascannons on an AP12 body that is only ever hit on 6's, has the option of gaining a 5+ cover save at the expense of having to snapfire next turn (trust me, its better to save the bird and snapfire than to loose it altogether), and it has a transport capacity. Oh, and it can hover to keep you from flying off the board on a crucial turn.

I think it's also the fact that with new 6th edition Flier rules, they are also pretty durable. 130 points for 3 TL LC, on an AV12 flier, that can transport troops (in my meta, usually melta vets), and with the flier rules requires snap-shots to take down for the most part.

Oh, and you can take 3 of them in one FOC slot for 390 points, they can out-flank, and can't be assaulted. I call that a win. And really, with not a whole lot competing for the Fast Attack slot....it's a pretty cheap and useful solution to adding MORE redundancy AT wise

Vendettas actually lost the ability to outflank with the last FAQ, so it's not as easy to get side/rear. As someone who uses them regularly, I too don't really get the hate. They're good, but they don't deserve the kind of attention they get from the 40k community in my experience with them. Then again I do roll horribly so that might be factoring into my opinion.

Also, it takes a very balls-out player to use those things as transports. If you scatter with the grav chute insertion, every model takes a dangerous terrain test and with our crappy IG armour saves, it hurts.

No they didn't.

They Errata says the Scout rule doesn't give them a Scout move. They still gain Outflank(because the FAQ didn't remove the Scout special rule)

I have seven for mass lols in my elysians.....but they ain't that much fun to use tbh.....prefer one or two at most

 Grey Templar wrote:
No they didn't.

They Errata says the Scout rule doesn't give them a Scout move. They still gain Outflank(because the FAQ didn't remove the Scout special rule)

It specifically says Scout has no effect on the unit, and that's how they outflank.

Yeah, if it says that a rule has not effect, that means ALL of the rule has no effect, not just the parts you wouldn't mind losing.

If the parent clause is removed, it removes all child clauses as well.

I've always wanted to put three units of Ogryns in Vendettas...

Drake118 wrote:
I've always wanted to put three units of Ogryns in Vendettas...

Vendettas and Valkyries can't carry Ogryns, it says this in the codex.

 TheCaptain wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
but there's perks to the HWS squad too.

they die as fast as you can deploy them counts as a perk, right?

Our static gunline infantry hoard player must take HWS to a sense of scope unseen by the outside world, but typically most of the people I see him play against simply don't have the dakka to cope with it. I mean, sure, they get a lot of them by the end of the game, but the amount of punishment he deals out in response is pretty spectacular

Don't get me wrong, I prefer Vendettas myself. I have two and they're basically an auto-include. I also know I flinch every time I see three squads of las HWS set up behind me in a ADL.

As I was reading this thread I kept thinking:
"The original poster has to be trolling!"

I won't beat a dead horse here and express how good the unit is, that's been done.

I will say that I will NEVER take a Guard list without at least one of them if winning is even 5% of my plans. The Vendetta is a powergamer/waac/competative/tournament/casual-competative player's dream come true.

 kaiservonhugal wrote:
3 TLLC's arriving on turn 2 or 3 that dont score or contest. Youre getting 2 or 3 turns of shooting. I do like that I can pretty much hit anywhere on the table though. I get that its useful, but I just dont see it as that overcosted or deserving of the hate. I think its a carry over from 5th.

Storm Talon is 150 points for 2 TLLC and cannot be taken in squadrons. Yes, Vendettas are OP. I don't care what your opinion is, they are the best flyer point for point in the game.

It really makes no sense. How much does an armored sentinel pay for a twin linked lascannon?

So take the base cost of a valkyrie and add in the cost for three twin linked lascannons and you should be paying that for a vendetta.

Kevlar wrote:
It really makes no sense. How much does an armored sentinel pay for a twin linked lascannon?

So take the base cost of a valkyrie and add in the cost for three twin linked lascannons and you should be paying that for a vendetta.

Conversely, perhaps you pay too much for that sentinel.

RayND wrote:

 kaiservonhugal wrote:
3 TLLC's arriving on turn 2 or 3 that dont score or contest. Youre getting 2 or 3 turns of shooting. I do like that I can pretty much hit anywhere on the table though. I get that its useful, but I just dont see it as that overcosted or deserving of the hate. I think its a carry over from 5th.

Storm Talon is 150 points for 2 TLLC and cannot be taken in squadrons. Yes, Vendettas are OP. I don't care what your opinion is, they are the best flyer point for point in the game.

1 TLLC for 150points*

and a TLAC.

And Armor 11, 2 Hull Points.