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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







shasolenzabi wrote:Hammer looks absolutely brutal! BRUTAL!!!!
Thanks Shas. Glad it does the job.

YourIntestines wrote:Maybe cover the sarcophagus in loads of eyes, staring in all directions?

Or, if you go for having the face behind the screen, you could try to magnetise it, and have a replacement one for when it gets wrecked, where a rocket has blown a hole in the sarcophagus, and the spirit inside is escaping.
Thanks for the ideas.
I have considered eyes, both painted and moulded on, so that's definitely an option.

Having replacement "faces" is a good idea. It does add to the workload though, so will have to see how the arms progress.

Casey's Law wrote:Nice, is he going to be holding it by the handle as the hand looks a little too open as supplied? The upright looked like a better fit to my eye.
Thanks. He will be holding it up and ready to smash something.
I'm creating a hand for it that will be fixed to the hammer, so the whole thing can replace the power-fist. I only used the PF there so you could see the rough scale with a hand.

Speaking of which, here's part one of the hand build:

This will then be "skinned" with putty to get the final look.

I was going to build up the basic shape of the fingers in sprue and then fill in the gaps with putty, but that would require quite a lot of carving down the sprue to size and shape and I might as well just make them in putty while I'm at it... although, I might just change my mind on that... stay tuned to see what I eventually do...

The fingers will be longer than those on the Power-fist. Those stubby fingers are not holding anything...

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Ah good I was hoping you'd go this route but I figured it would be too time consuming. I'd say go with the tried and tested on this and block those fingers in with sprue. They are also going to have to be quite large I can see so a good base will be worth the effort.

   
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Time consuming, but necessary.

Yeah, I've quartered a length of sprue and stuck those on for the base of the fingers. So that line of thinking didn't last long...

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Interesting manner of making a hand.

Great looking hammer too. Very cool... paint it silver and name the hellbrute Maxwell, perchance?

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Well, I could have made the whole hand from putty.
But I would have had to work in stages to build up the bulk (so why not use sprue to make up the bulk and save on putty),

it would have been quite heavy for the magnet to hold (plastic is lighter),

and it's easier to get straight edges and flat (or curved) surfaces with pieces of plastic. The rear in particular needs to be really flat for the magnetic join.

Have not decided on a colour scheme yet. That's not ruled out, but he will be getting many more hands/weapons so it's not all about the hammer.

Thanks.

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Progress.
The hand for the thunder hammer still needs work (to give the fingers an armoured look and the trim on the back of the hand), but I have done enough things to give and overview of the whole model.

The thunder hammer has now been magnetised to the arm. A piece of metal is all that was required and holds it well (the shape of the hand/arm prevents any rotation). So you can now see how it will be held.

I've also worked on the attachments for the armour plate:
One for the hammer. Those cables you see coming out of the hammer will be connected up to the powerpack and they are flexible enough to not be broken.

One storm bolter for the powerfist. Two old SM boltguns stuck side-by-side.

and one fuel tank for when the powerfist has a flamer attachment.

These all still need more work and will look more like they are integrated into the armour and not just stuck on.



So there you have it, where it stands, so far...

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All looking amazing dude, the hammer looks perfect for scale, and the hand alternates are all looking great.




 
   
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Fixture of Dakka







Very nice builds. What putty are you using again?

   
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Thanks Chaps.

Casey, I use Milliput silver-grey at present. I keep meaning to try out some other putties, but this seems to work fine for me (except being tricky to photograph).

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Ah that's cool. I was going to pick some milliput up for bulking out sculpts but I need to use up the GS I've got at the moment, won't last forever.

   
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Dublin

I must admit when you posted that you were attempting to renovate the Hellbrute into something presentable, the cynical part of me laughed. Well sometimes it's nice to be wrong! Very impressed with this, that arm and hammer is masterclass, such an improvement over the original.

I let the dogs out 
   
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Looking great so far, can't wait to see your plans for the right arm

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I don't go through putty very quickly and so it seems to last forever here...

thegreatchimp wrote:I must admit when you posted that you were attempting to renovate the Hellbrute into something presentable, the cynical part of me laughed. Well sometimes it's nice to be wrong! Very impressed with this, that arm and hammer is masterclass, such an improvement over the original.
Thanks. Always pleased to hear that my modelling has won someone over.

Jehan-reznor wrote:Looking great so far, can't wait to see your plans for the right arm
Thanks Jehan. Plans for the right arm are floating about, but I'm busy with the left at the moment (there's still two more weapon options to make for the left arm yet...).

Quickly popping in to show progress before returning to work on it...
Here's part 2 of how to make a hand;
Once you have your sprue scaffold, you are ready to cover it in putty.
However, you want to make the shape to fit the arm. You could try and do this on the model, but this may lead to problems. So I used a trick that can be done with Oyumaru (the wonder material!); Make a mould of the end of the arm with one piece of Oyumaru (red). When that is cool, press in another piece of Oyumaru into that mould and you are given a perfect copy of the arm that you can sculpt on. AND, being made of silicone, the putty won't stick to it and it's more convenient to sculpt on.

Then, roughly cover the hand in putty. Make sure it adheres to the surface (some of mine didn't).
Once cured, smooth off to give you the thin parts of the fingers.
Once that is cured you can add the final layer of putty to make the armoured details.
Tidy up once cured.


And I've been working on the attachments and tying them into the armour plate/adding details.

You can see where I drew around each piece to give me an idea of the sizes and where I can add details to the armour plate Vs. the attachments.
The storm bolter is done and I'm now working on the flamer tanks and the hammer's power attachment.

Back to work...

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Looking good, is this amount of work/time worth what you can sell it for?

   
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A long time ago in a galaxy far, far, away...

Hmm, that's what I'm wondering. Absolutely amazing conversion and sculpting (that fist for the Thunder Hammer is awesome), but what price your time for this one??

   
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Thanks both.

And you're both right to be concerned about the money I stand to make from this. I have thought about it, and once I passed 20 hours work I knew that I wouldn't be making much of a wage from this. Now, having passed 30 hours of work (and approaching 40), I can say; I've started and so I'll finish. And I'll use this as an exercise and practice to improve upon. Somebody is going to get a very good deal if they choose to drop the cash for this.

I didn't know how much modelling I could do in a certain time-frame to see if it was worthwhile for selling. I know that I can get caught in "perfecting" little bits that nobody notices and I keep having to say to myself "that's close enough, stop fiddling". But you have to try these things to know what can be achieved, and can then budget for things in the future.

I also hoped to have this done in time for Christmas, and that's looking less and less likely. But my models do pick up speed as they go along.

It's not all doom and gloom though...

The combi-bolter was finished last time, and now the flamer and thunder hammer are done.


and I've started on the missile launcher and power scourge.
This is the missile launcher, as the PS is just a pile of random tentacles at the moment...

While I was originally going to give both of these their own armour plates, I hit upon the idea of just making attachments like the others and using just the one armour plate. This will save some time, although more would have been saved if I had hit upon this idea before I had already done some work on the additional armour plates. I might just use the original armour plate for the PS and not do anything unique for it...yes, that makes sense.

Onwards...

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I was reading recently that it's hard to balance hours worked and pay for painting and modelling. Because it's pretty much impossible to say how long it'll take exactly and because the end product doesn't have the value to cover the labour. Interestingly I've heard folks who are just doing it on the side will not worry about recouping their labour. Many use the much simpler arrangement of producing something that they enjoy doing, can do quite quickly and sell for a good profit. So it's more an extension of the hobby to pay for more miniatures than a business. In effect you buy a kit, build it, paint it, sell it, rinse, repeat. Your balance grows and you enjoy it. I've considered doing it that way myself.

Those are really nice builds, for some reason I can't spot the actual nozzle of the flamer? Am I missing it or is it just the armour plate that is finished and it's going to attach to the weapon?

   
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 Casey's Law wrote:
I was reading recently that it's hard to balance hours worked and pay for painting and modelling. Because it's pretty much impossible to say how long it'll take exactly and because the end product doesn't have the value to cover the labour. Interestingly I've heard folks who are just doing it on the side will not worry about recouping their labour. Many use the much simpler arrangement of producing something that they enjoy doing, can do quite quickly and sell for a good profit. So it's more an extension of the hobby to pay for more miniatures than a business. In effect you buy a kit, build it, paint it, sell it, rinse, repeat. Your balance grows and you enjoy it. I've considered doing it that way myself.
Yeah, that's pretty much it. I enjoy the doing (and if I wasn't doing this, I'd be doing something else modelling related), so I am not too worried about getting much for my labour.
I do plan that when I come to buying individual kits for my army (rather than the battleforces I've been recently buying), I'll buy two, build and paint one for sale and then keep the other (and any spare bits) for myself. If I can make double the cost of the kit from the sale of that kit (which is possible from what I've done in this thread), then I've got a box of model(s) for free.

That's also why I've been playing about with the moulding and casting of things, and I have a couple of other arty things on the go, to see if I can find something that is relatively quick and easy, and pays well. At the moment, I'm still only just treading water in terms of stuff in and stuff out (and that's just modelling things).

Those are really nice builds, for some reason I can't spot the actual nozzle of the flamer? Am I missing it or is it just the armour plate that is finished and it's going to attach to the weapon?
Thanks.
From what I can tell, on the actual kit (not this DV one) the flamer is a nozzle that you can fit into the mouth that is in the palm of the power fist. As that would have been tricky to make removable, especially as this model isn't made with that in mind, I decided that these tanks would represent the flamer being in use (a nozzle in the palm of the hand isn't that obvious anyway, so this is better, says I). So you can see the pipe going into the arm, and that goes to the palm of the hand.

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The flamer thing makes sense although I would personally look to attach a nozzle somewhere, maybe on the plate itself.

So would you say double the price of the kit is a pretty standard return for the level you produce? I've never looked at pre-painted prices too closely because I'm not the market.

   
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 Casey's Law wrote:
The flamer thing makes sense although I would personally look to attach a nozzle somewhere, maybe on the plate itself.
I will see how things go. I've got to completely scratch-build a fist for the right arm as well as it's combi-bolter and flamer attachments, an idea may hit me in the process.

So would you say double the price of the kit is a pretty standard return for the level you produce? I've never looked at pre-painted prices too closely because I'm not the market.
Well, from the things I've sold so far;
SM tactical squad (bronze level) sold (in 5 minutes) for £40, and that's the DV mono-pose models, not the squad kit that is £25 from GW or cheaper elsewhere.
The terminator squad (silver level) sold for £55 (again, monopose DV models), compared to £28 from GW. Or £35 if you look at the Deathwing specific kit.
The cultists squads (both bronze, but maybe silver really) went for £40 and £45, although you can't buy all those direct they are £6 for 5 models (so £12 for a squad of 10).
The librarian (at gold level), by himself, sold for £35.
Some of the others weren't so impressive.
The bikers (bronze level), for example, only went for £35, and the ravenwing bike set is £25.50.

The Dark Angels half of the DV box, paid for the whole box... need I say more...

The Hobbits... 4 little hobbits... sold for £50.

You pick the right things, and you can make a healthy profit.
Although, pick something that few people want, and it'll stick around for a long time, or sell for relatively nothing... Kranon for example.

But in terms of time, I've not even been making minimum wage with any of those sales.

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Very few people do make anything close to minimum wage, but there are no taxes or other sorts of, hmm, deductions from your pay, if you are not running the commission service, or are building on spec, as a 'real' business. Not sure how this adds up in the UK.

Not that I am endorsing any sort of "cheating" the Government out of its fair share of the fruits of your labor, mind you.

No C&C, sorry. Just a general impression that the project is going well.

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I'd think the only way to really recover the cost - in terms of time and skill - of a modelling project such as this, and at the same time keeping a reasonable level of affordable prices, would be by going into a serial production scheme by moulding and casting, spreading the cost among numerous copies of the final product. If not, you are left in a highly priced, unique art-piece-like situation, of dubious (to say the least) marketing wisdom. You know how most of the greatest artists in history fared during their lifetimes...

On the other hand, there seems to be a niche for short-run casts of customized models, or accessories for doing so/converting.

Not sure how that would apply to this particular build - given I'm not in any way suggesting recasting, but offering for sale the alternative parts totally your creating, plus the instructions of what or where to cut to use your own bits, or where to attach the customized them. Hand, hammer, armour plates, even the feet. Again, maybe this conversion is not the best example - both for the base model being too "rare" or specific to make a conversion kit market viable, but possible to apply to something more general, like tanks conversion/customizing kits (of which I'm sure there are already some for sale, trading one problem for another, but that's a matter for another day!)

 
   
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Looking awesome Dr H
Really like the big hammer
Keep us updated on this bad boy!
Grtz
Mark
   
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Thanks Red. Yeah, I don't really know how it works over here either. But I'll worry about making money first. before what taxes I should be paying on it.

Thanks LT. That's something to keep in mind and I may try with something in the future that doesn't require quite so much cutting up first.
This will be a rare, single piece, work of art (or as near as I get to it in this field).

Thanks Mark. Update incoming...

Here's progress on the missile launcher and Power Scourge.
You may be able to see the stretched skin around the missile tips (I went for similar to the official piece in the modelling), and a mass of writhing tentacles about the base of the scourge. Still need to add the spiky bits to the ends of the scourge.

The magnet and metal join holds these well enough too.

Until next time...

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Dr H, this thread is so cool, that Helbrute is sweet but, I might nab some of your crates lol. (Tyranids invaded my table's world during a Chaos invasion, and those gribbly bits sticking out the box and the missiles sold the conversion I could do with your crates.)

Oh, and it is threads like this and Blackhands that give me hope with my resin casting dreams for my spotlights and turrets/crates. I know it probably sounds odd but, you posting your process saves others headaches so thanks.

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Wow. That's a lot of work to go to over one Helbrute. Looks really good tho!

   
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The prices are very interesting. Thanks for posting.

I think it's hard to say much about those two weapons at this stage. I'm unfamiliar with the scourge and I think the launcher will come into it's own when painted.

   
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Tentacles! Yes! Will you try for the Doc Ock style claws at the end, or something else?

 
   
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Stormwall wrote:Dr H, this thread is so cool, that Helbrute is sweet but, I might nab some of your crates lol. (Tyranids invaded my table's world during a Chaos invasion, and those gribbly bits sticking out the box and the missiles sold the conversion I could do with your crates.)
Thanks Stormwall.
There are plenty of boxes available. You can see availability and prices in my trade thread here on DDakka. Just send me a PM and I'll sort you out.

Oh, and it is threads like this and Blackhands that give me hope with my resin casting dreams for my spotlights and turrets/crates. I know it probably sounds odd but, you posting your process saves others headaches so thanks.

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Thanks. As part of my scientific background, it's ingrained into me to "report" failures as well as successes. You can learn more from something that didn't work as expected than something that did.
I like to read about what other people do far more than just the finished pieces, and so I tend to post in the same way. We can all learn from each other, regardless of skill level, and together we improve.

techsoldaten wrote:Wow. That's a lot of work to go to over one Helbrute. Looks really good tho!
Thanks. Yes, it is quite a lot of work. but this happens a lot with my projects
With the amount of stuff I don't like about the DV Helbrute, I would be able to produce something I feel is better, if I started from scratch.
But I had the model, and felt I had to do something with it to see if I can push the profits higher (also just to make it slightly less ugly).

Casey's Law wrote:The prices are very interesting. Thanks for posting.
Not a prob'.

I think it's hard to say much about those two weapons at this stage. I'm unfamiliar with the scourge and I think the launcher will come into it's own when painted.
I know what you mean. All should become clear when painted (also a trend with my projects).
See below about the scourge.

Red Harvest wrote:Tentacles! Yes! Will you try for the Doc Ock style claws at the end, or something else?
Good to see another lover of tentacles.

From what little information about the Power Scourge I can find, it is a series of metal, jointed tentacles, covered with the usual power weapon energy field, that thrash about with sharp blades on the ends.

So I went for the usual, ringed tentacles. to be painted metallic. And on the ends, blades made from a selection of Eldar and Dark Eldar bits, not claws (although one does look a bit like a Doc Oc claw).


I'm now working on the right arm, and it's looking like I'll have to make the whole forearm interchangeable (rather than just the hand as on the left arm).
First job is to set the position of the elbow and then to build the separate weapons, before I build the parts in-between those where they all have to match... more work than I intended, but necessary.

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Good choice on the stabby bits, very fitting. Looking forward to that other arm.

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