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Azreal13 wrote: I'm sorry, maybe it's Britishness, but there's absolutely no way I'd invite someone I'd only had contact with online into my home without prior real world experience.
Equally, anyone who makes an assumption that someone's online persona (including their name and face!) bears any resemblance to real life is setting themselves up for trouble.
Sure, this is the best it's ever been for being able to reach out and find like minded people, but going to a venue that caters to those interests still probably the most wide ranging and efficient way to do it.
And I thought that Americans were supposed to be the easily scared ones. I've gamed with at least 3 people I had never met previously at my house. I don't have a huge house either, I live in a city and just use 3 modular 2 by 4 foot boards that I set on a table and overlay with a gaming mat.
My thinking has always been, if someone is trying to scam me by feigning interest in Warhammer...congratulations, you've earned it by learning about such a niche interest. Why not just rob people when they're not home?
If the person is a jerk, it's my house, I can ask them to leave. However, it's never come to that. Everyone has been nice and simply interested in the hobby and meeting like minded individuals.
Azreal13 wrote: I'm sorry, maybe it's Britishness, but there's absolutely no way I'd invite someone I'd only had contact with online into my home without prior real world experience.
Equally, anyone who makes an assumption that someone's online persona (including their name and face!) bears any resemblance to real life is setting themselves up for trouble.
Sure, this is the best it's ever been for being able to reach out and find like minded people, but going to a venue that caters to those interests still probably the most wide ranging and efficient way to do it.
And I thought that Americans were supposed to be the easily scared ones. I've gamed with at least 3 people I had never met previously at my house. I don't have a huge house either, I live in a city and just use 3 modular 2 by 4 foot boards that I set on a table and overlay with a gaming mat.
My thinking has always been, if someone is trying to scam me by feigning interest in Warhammer...congratulations, you've earned it by learning about such a niche interest. Why not just rob people when they're not home?
If the person is a jerk, it's my house, I can ask them to leave. However, it's never come to that. Everyone has been nice and simply interested in the hobby and meeting like minded individuals.
I agree with this! Plus... I own firearms...
" $@#& YOU! There are 3 things I want in a guy: Tall, Handsome, and plays Dark Eldar!"-every woman since
November 2010
Azreal13 wrote: I'm sorry, maybe it's Britishness, but there's absolutely no way I'd invite someone I'd only had contact with online into my home without prior real world experience.
Equally, anyone who makes an assumption that someone's online persona (including their name and face!) bears any resemblance to real life is setting themselves up for trouble.
Sure, this is the best it's ever been for being able to reach out and find like minded people, but going to a venue that caters to those interests still probably the most wide ranging and efficient way to do it.
And I thought that Americans were supposed to be the easily scared ones. I've gamed with at least 3 people I had never met previously at my house. I don't have a huge house either, I live in a city and just use 3 modular 2 by 4 foot boards that I set on a table and overlay with a gaming mat.
My thinking has always been, if someone is trying to scam me by feigning interest in Warhammer...congratulations, you've earned it by learning about such a niche interest. Why not just rob people when they're not home?
If the person is a jerk, it's my house, I can ask them to leave. However, it's never come to that. Everyone has been nice and simply interested in the hobby and meeting like minded individuals.
I agree with this! Plus... I own firearms...
'Murica.
Games Workshop Delenda Est.
Users on ignore- 53.
If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
Azreal13 wrote: I'm sorry, maybe it's Britishness, but there's absolutely no way I'd invite someone I'd only had contact with online into my home without prior real world experience.
Equally, anyone who makes an assumption that someone's online persona (including their name and face!) bears any resemblance to real life is setting themselves up for trouble.
Sure, this is the best it's ever been for being able to reach out and find like minded people, but going to a venue that caters to those interests still probably the most wide ranging and efficient way to do it.
And I thought that Americans were supposed to be the easily scared ones. I've gamed with at least 3 people I had never met previously at my house. I don't have a huge house either, I live in a city and just use 3 modular 2 by 4 foot boards that I set on a table and overlay with a gaming mat.
My thinking has always been, if someone is trying to scam me by feigning interest in Warhammer...congratulations, you've earned it by learning about such a niche interest. Why not just rob people when they're not home?
If the person is a jerk, it's my house, I can ask them to leave. However, it's never come to that. Everyone has been nice and simply interested in the hobby and meeting like minded individuals.
I agree with this! Plus... I own firearms...
'Murica.
The only guns I own are wielded by miniature, plastic soldiers.
It's nothing to do with fear. I'm not expecting to be shot in my own home.
It's everything to do with not wanting weirdos knowing where I live, or spending hours stuck with someone who doesn't have the necessary social skills to realise they need to just go home already, or just flat out ending up with someone who I don't like trying to be my best friend because they've been round my house.
An Englishman's home is his castle, and castles are gak if you leave the drawbridge down.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: I'm sorry, maybe it's Britishness, but there's absolutely no way I'd invite someone I'd only had contact with online into my home without prior real world experience.
Equally, anyone who makes an assumption that someone's online persona (including their name and face!) bears any resemblance to real life is setting themselves up for trouble.
Sure, this is the best it's ever been for being able to reach out and find like minded people, but going to a venue that caters to those interests still probably the most wide ranging and efficient way to do it.
And I thought that Americans were supposed to be the easily scared ones. I've gamed with at least 3 people I had never met previously at my house. I don't have a huge house either, I live in a city and just use 3 modular 2 by 4 foot boards that I set on a table and overlay with a gaming mat.
My thinking has always been, if someone is trying to scam me by feigning interest in Warhammer...congratulations, you've earned it by learning about such a niche interest. Why not just rob people when they're not home?
If the person is a jerk, it's my house, I can ask them to leave. However, it's never come to that. Everyone has been nice and simply interested in the hobby and meeting like minded individuals.
I agree with this! Plus... I own firearms...
'Murica.
The only guns I own are wielded by miniature, plastic soldiers.
I'm kinda the opposite. I own 6+ firearms, and I play daemons... Well, most daemons don't have guns haha.
" $@#& YOU! There are 3 things I want in a guy: Tall, Handsome, and plays Dark Eldar!"-every woman since
November 2010
It's nothing to do with fear. I'm not expecting to be shot in my own home.
It's everything to do with not wanting weirdos knowing where I live, or spending hours stuck with someone who doesn't have the necessary social skills to realise they need to just go home already, or just flat out ending up with someone who I don't like trying to be my best friend because they've been round my house.
An Englishman's home is his castle, and castles are gak if you leave the drawbridge down.
Yup.
I saw my next door neighbour had some 40k models when I went round to collect a parcel earlier this month. I'm still scouting as to his identity (weirdly, nobody seems to know who he is and has not been seen down our FLGS) before I "come out the closet" so to speak. Don't want the local TFG coming over and living next door.
Games Workshop Delenda Est.
Users on ignore- 53.
If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
It's nothing to do with fear. I'm not expecting to be shot in my own home.
It's everything to do with not wanting weirdos knowing where I live, or spending hours stuck with someone who doesn't have the necessary social skills to realise they need to just go home already, or just flat out ending up with someone who I don't like trying to be my best friend because they've been round my house.
An Englishman's home is his castle, and castles are gak if you leave the drawbridge down.
American castles are bigger!
" $@#& YOU! There are 3 things I want in a guy: Tall, Handsome, and plays Dark Eldar!"-every woman since
November 2010
It's everything to do with not wanting weirdos knowing where I live, or spending hours stuck with someone who doesn't have the necessary social skills to realise they need to just go home already, or just flat out ending up with someone who I don't like trying to be my best friend because they've been round my house.
Or end up stuck for hours with someone who apparently has no concept of personal hygiene. Or someone who's a petty thief.
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
It's nothing to do with fear. I'm not expecting to be shot in my own home.
It's everything to do with not wanting weirdos knowing where I live, or spending hours stuck with someone who doesn't have the necessary social skills to realise they need to just go home already, or just flat out ending up with someone who I don't like trying to be my best friend because they've been round my house.
An Englishman's home is his castle, and castles are gak if you leave the drawbridge down.
Are the British too polite to ask the person to leave once they're in, easier to not invite anyone?
Before things spiral discussing stereotypes of attitude differences in countries I'll just just say this: some people need a store for a community, others do not. You prefer to form a group around a store, I don't see the store as being essential.
Are the British too polite to ask the person to leave once they're in, easier to not invite anyone?
Something like that, yes. I imagine it feels especially impolite if you were the one who invited them in the first place.
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
bogalubov wrote: I think being a guest has a certain code of decorum associated with it.
You're right. But asking them to leave still feels very impolite.
Maybe it's just because I've always been a very shy person.
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
And Americans don't have castles, unless you count Disney Princess ones.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Loborocket wrote: Almost 18 pages!!! Why won't this thread die? Every couple of months the same stupid thread shows up and the same stupid response come in. If you like the game play it. if you don't like the game why waste your time complaining about why you don't like it and how dumb GW is and how much better it would be if someone else did it. Just move along and wait for it to happen, or not happen.
Why won't GW die? Every year the same stupid annual report shows up and the same stupid comments from Kirby come in. We don't like the game now so we do not play it. We liked the game in the past and spend our time complaining on how the game could be made better and how it would be so much better if someone who cared ran it. We will stay involved until that fateful day arrives.
Enjoy it for what it is.
No.
I stop looking at this forum for awhile because it is just so damned negative. Checked in again and it is the same negative stuff being spouted by the same negative people for the most part. I don't think the people frequenting this forum or at least posting to it represent the 40 k game as a whole, but a generally negative sad crowd who enjoy wallowing around in their own misery.
I keep looking at this forum because many people give a damn. These people are representative of the 40k game because it is in decline and are engaged in their hobbies in all media unlike GW. Check it often and find the occasional sad crowd who hate hearing people unhappy with the status quo.
Check back in a couple of months.
I check it often,
Mods should really think about the kind of place they run here, but I have said that before too and it falls on deaf ears.
What would you propose? "No whiners allowed?" not sure how to enforce that one.
Here something constructive from a "hater" about 40k:
- Too much random, suggest more decisions than dice rolls (warlord traits and psych abilities).
- Balance: Here is there chance with all these formation lists: balance each formation and do not let any abilities "leak" out of them.
- More unit targeting and not individual "closest" model garbage, slows the game.
Call me entitled but I have played since second edition and 6+ armies in the game so this is a rather invested interest and no going away and griping somewhere else.
I play crafted scenarios with friends that work very well.
But what is my #1 issue with 40k is pickup games are just as bad as it gets. Better chance Israel and the Palestinians reaching a border agreement.
How are we to get a thriving game with new players when just starting a game with a stranger needs a perils of the warp saving throw?
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A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
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bogalubov wrote: I think being a guest has a certain code of decorum associated with it.
You're right. But asking them to leave still feels very impolite.
Maybe it's just because I've always been a very shy person.
And that's ok. Heck, I still ask my wife to phone restaurants and service people because somehow I'm too nervous to do it outside of work. So I get it, we all have our "thing".
I'm just suggesting alternative ways to maintain a 40k community. One size does not fit all.
And Americans don't have castles, unless you count Disney Princess ones.
Well castle was what you called your dwelling, and I Doubt you live in a real castle. So if castles are dwellings, Americans generally have more land and property, due to our country not being as compacted.
Also, we actually have quite a few "real" castles that are very cool in New England.
" $@#& YOU! There are 3 things I want in a guy: Tall, Handsome, and plays Dark Eldar!"-every woman since
November 2010
Of course I live in a castle, we all live in castles over here.
Castles, far as the eye can see.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: Of course I live in a castle, we all live in castles over here.
Castles, far as the eye can see.
*Rule Britannias internaly*
Britishing intensifies?
I dont know, I have a soft spot for 40k but like the game I watched seemed like nobody was really engaged, it was like playing with toy soldiers (more than just being a game with... toy soldiers). No engagement in the battle, no real maneuvering. I contrasted it with a 12-person Warmachine tournament I went to watch the next day, and it was like night and day. Every Warmachine table had people engaged in the game, involved with what was going on, versus moving guys up a few inches and then simply rolling dice.
Azreal13 wrote: I'm sorry, maybe it's Britishness, but there's absolutely no way I'd invite someone I'd only had contact with online into my home without prior real world experience.
Equally, anyone who makes an assumption that someone's online persona (including their name and face!) bears any resemblance to real life is setting themselves up for trouble.
Sure, this is the best it's ever been for being able to reach out and find like minded people, but going to a venue that caters to those interests still probably the most wide ranging and efficient way to do it.
And I thought that Americans were supposed to be the easily scared ones. I've gamed with at least 3 people I had never met previously at my house. I don't have a huge house either, I live in a city and just use 3 modular 2 by 4 foot boards that I set on a table and overlay with a gaming mat.
My thinking has always been, if someone is trying to scam me by feigning interest in Warhammer...congratulations, you've earned it by learning about such a niche interest. Why not just rob people when they're not home?
If the person is a jerk, it's my house, I can ask them to leave. However, it's never come to that. Everyone has been nice and simply interested in the hobby and meeting like minded individuals.
I agree with this! Plus... I own firearms...
'Murica.
USA > China, never forget Pearl Harbor!
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" $@#& YOU! There are 3 things I want in a guy: Tall, Handsome, and plays Dark Eldar!"-every woman since
November 2010
Azreal13 wrote: Of course I live in a castle, we all live in castles over here.
Castles, far as the eye can see.
*Rule Britannias internaly*
Britishing intensifies?
I dont know, I have a soft spot for 40k but like the game I watched seemed like nobody was really engaged, it was like playing with toy soldiers (more than just being a game with... toy soldiers). No engagement in the battle, no real maneuvering. I contrasted it with a 12-person Warmachine tournament I went to watch the next day, and it was like night and day. Every Warmachine table had people engaged in the game, involved with what was going on, versus moving guys up a few inches and then simply rolling dice.
I've never seen a painted Warmachine army...and I live like 30 miles away from where Privateer press is based. There's also no terrain and all the movement is forward...so I don't know, the game just never appealed to me.
How players engage in the game is also very variable from player to player. You're also comparing two people having a laid back game to a tournament. I've never attended a 40k tournament that didn't involve a lot of back and forth between opponents.
But if you like Warmachine and enjoy playing that game, more power to you.
Azreal13 wrote: I'm sorry, maybe it's Britishness, but there's absolutely no way I'd invite someone I'd only had contact with online into my home without prior real world experience.
Equally, anyone who makes an assumption that someone's online persona (including their name and face!) bears any resemblance to real life is setting themselves up for trouble.
Sure, this is the best it's ever been for being able to reach out and find like minded people, but going to a venue that caters to those interests still probably the most wide ranging and efficient way to do it.
And I thought that Americans were supposed to be the easily scared ones. I've gamed with at least 3 people I had never met previously at my house. I don't have a huge house either, I live in a city and just use 3 modular 2 by 4 foot boards that I set on a table and overlay with a gaming mat.
My thinking has always been, if someone is trying to scam me by feigning interest in Warhammer...congratulations, you've earned it by learning about such a niche interest. Why not just rob people when they're not home?
If the person is a jerk, it's my house, I can ask them to leave. However, it's never come to that. Everyone has been nice and simply interested in the hobby and meeting like minded individuals.
Azreal13 wrote: I'm sorry, maybe it's Britishness, but there's absolutely no way I'd invite someone I'd only had contact with online into my home without prior real world experience.
Equally, anyone who makes an assumption that someone's online persona (including their name and face!) bears any resemblance to real life is setting themselves up for trouble.
Sure, this is the best it's ever been for being able to reach out and find like minded people, but going to a venue that caters to those interests still probably the most wide ranging and efficient way to do it.
And I thought that Americans were supposed to be the easily scared ones. I've gamed with at least 3 people I had never met previously at my house. I don't have a huge house either, I live in a city and just use 3 modular 2 by 4 foot boards that I set on a table and overlay with a gaming mat.
My thinking has always been, if someone is trying to scam me by feigning interest in Warhammer...congratulations, you've earned it by learning about such a niche interest. Why not just rob people when they're not home?
If the person is a jerk, it's my house, I can ask them to leave. However, it's never come to that. Everyone has been nice and simply interested in the hobby and meeting like minded individuals.
I agree with this! Plus... I own firearms...
'Murica.
USA > China, never forget Pearl Harbor!
Please tell me you're joking.
What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
Azreal13 wrote: Of course I live in a castle, we all live in castles over here.
Castles, far as the eye can see.
*Rule Britannias internaly*
Britishing intensifies?
I dont know, I have a soft spot for 40k but like the game I watched seemed like nobody was really engaged, it was like playing with toy soldiers (more than just being a game with... toy soldiers). No engagement in the battle, no real maneuvering. I contrasted it with a 12-person Warmachine tournament I went to watch the next day, and it was like night and day. Every Warmachine table had people engaged in the game, involved with what was going on, versus moving guys up a few inches and then simply rolling dice.
I've never seen a painted Warmachine army...and I live like 30 miles away from where Privateer press is based. There's also no terrain and all the movement is forward...so I don't know, the game just never appealed to me.
How players engage in the game is also very variable from player to player. You're also comparing two people having a laid back game to a tournament. I've never attended a 40k tournament that didn't involve a lot of back and forth between opponents.
But if you like Warmachine and enjoy playing that game, more power to you.
I'm not a WMH player (at least, not yet) but the key difference between it, X Wing, Infinity, and pretty much every other game out there I've played or have knowledge of is that (and I think this is what MWHistorian is shooting for) there is an awful lot more in game engagement. 40K is pretty much move>shoot>assault. The only decision is where you move and what you shoot or assault. Most other games have at least one other layer of decision making, and frequently there's opportunity costs that have to be weighted up against one another when deciding what to do.
The core gameplay in 40K is very limited, while simultaneously managing to be massively complicated. Throw in the balance issues and a fractured approach to what a game of 40K actually consists of amongst different players on top of that, and most of the fun in playing 40K is extracted from the opponent, rather than the game. Some may argue that's how it should be, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree, but when there's games which offer a more engaging experience and do nothing to prevent you having a laugh with your oppo at the same time, one has to ask exactly what it is that 40K offers as a game that isn't nowadays better served elsewhere?
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
I'm not a WMH player (at least, not yet) but the key difference between it, X Wing, Infinity, and pretty much every other game out there I've played or have knowledge of is that (and I think this is what MWHistorian is shooting for) there is an awful lot more in game engagement. 40K is pretty much move>shoot>assault. The only decision is where you move and what you shoot or assault. Most other games have at least one other layer of decision making, and frequently there's opportunity costs that have to be weighted up against one another when deciding what to do.
The core gameplay in 40K is very limited, while simultaneously managing to be massively complicated. Throw in the balance issues and a fractured approach to what a game of 40K actually consists of amongst different players on top of that, and most of the fun in playing 40K is extracted from the opponent, rather than the game. Some may argue that's how it should be, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree, but when there's games which offer a more engaging experience and do nothing to prevent you having a laugh with your oppo at the same time, one has to ask exactly what it is that 40K offers as a game that isn't nowadays better served elsewhere?
But if you like _________ and enjoy playing that game, more power to you.
Reiterating its ok to like other games is dead end statement.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: I'm sorry, maybe it's Britishness, but there's absolutely no way I'd invite someone I'd only had contact with online into my home without prior real world experience.
Equally, anyone who makes an assumption that someone's online persona (including their name and face!) bears any resemblance to real life is setting themselves up for trouble.
Sure, this is the best it's ever been for being able to reach out and find like minded people, but going to a venue that caters to those interests still probably the most wide ranging and efficient way to do it.
And I thought that Americans were supposed to be the easily scared ones. I've gamed with at least 3 people I had never met previously at my house. I don't have a huge house either, I live in a city and just use 3 modular 2 by 4 foot boards that I set on a table and overlay with a gaming mat.
My thinking has always been, if someone is trying to scam me by feigning interest in Warhammer...congratulations, you've earned it by learning about such a niche interest. Why not just rob people when they're not home?
If the person is a jerk, it's my house, I can ask them to leave. However, it's never come to that. Everyone has been nice and simply interested in the hobby and meeting like minded individuals.
I agree with this! Plus... I own firearms...
'Murica.
USA > China, never forget Pearl Harbor!
Please tell me you're joking.
My Japanese wife is more than happy that people like that really exist.
Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do
Azreal13 wrote:
I think you're conflating "group" and "community."
And sometimes they're one and the same thing.
Azreal13 wrote:
There's no way I'm going to open up my home for complete strangers to wander in and out and play games whenever they like, irrespective of how much space I have.
Neither would I. Like I said, one of the strengths of playing at home is that you can be selective of who you invite.
Azreal13 wrote:
My gaming friends originate from the existence of a local FLGS once upon a time, I didn't just happen to be friends with people who also happened to be gamers, I met gamers who ultimately became my friends. Had there been no nexus for that to happen, I don't honestly see how we'd even have met, let alone established any sort of social gaming group.
Bear in mind, we are talking about the 'requirement' of a store as a nexus,
And Good for you. As for me I've met mine through work (three active, and two former players), through an flgs, via the interwebs (long story there but I have two great friends from it, and really, interwebs was the easiest way to communicate for a while), through gaming societies and network effects, conventions and so on. Like I said, I know of gaming groups in community centres, in an raf veterans club, a library and so on. I moved country. I brought my hobby with me, first thing I did was research where I could go with it. And network from there. Heck, I've even met some fellow gamers via chatting to folks in a pub (hey, I'm Irish...). More than once to my jest of 'yeah I'm a geek. I play warhammer' has the answer been, with a deadpan face and straight delivery 'mate, I play space wolves'. Heck, my missus plays rugby, and the bf of one of the girls she played with, over the course of a day out with them (first time I'd met the guy), figured that with me being the creative type, he knew of a great hobby that he played that he thought id really enjoy, called warhammer.
Shrug.
Azreal13 wrote:
Should real life intervene, where is your tight group of 4-6 people going to get new members?
What happens when a store closes?
We get new members From us expanding the group on an individual basis. We started with two. I was the third, and got roped in via giving those two a demo of infinity. They disappeared for a while, built up s whole room of infinity terrain, invited me over for a game night, and we've been friends since. I've introduced the group to two of my wargamer buddies (one of whom I worked with), and one of the others has brought in one of his mates who comes along occasionally. Two of the guys have houses at which we can play, so we are not required to turn up (as you say, real life intervenes) and we all generally keep and eye out for folks that we think would be a good fit, and might enjoy our Friday night gaming,
And I doubt we are unique in our dynamics.
Azreal13 wrote:
Groups may form spontaneously occasionally, but a FLGS or club are nearly always going to be needed as a catalyst.
'Or' being key. I was responding specifically to a point that an flgs was 'needed'. Bear that in mind as. Don't get me wrong - clubs help. Clubs are great. But so is gaming at home. Like I said, it's not a case of either or, or one being better(and I've never stated this FYI) Back in the day, I knew of warmachine groups in Ireland that had quite decent numbers of players and got together frequently, all without the help of a central hub, or an flgs that carried stock.
Kirasu wrote:
Okay but how do those strangers meet your group? Do you post on craigslist or something that they can just randomly show up at your house for some 40k?
See above. I've met my peers through a whole riot of different ways. Then I get numbers, hang out, have a few beers, stay in touch, and all while building up a friendship, work in getting together for gaming when it's possible (and FYI, mainly warmachine or infinity). I don't bring 'random gamers' home. I'm wary of people thst identify as 'gamers' first and foremost. I want friends that I can connect with beyond just toy soldiers, The whole point of playing at home is that it allows you to be selective (because too often. I know of a tfg at a club who ruins it for everyone else. Won't happen at my place.)
Kirasu wrote:
A private group is not a community.
By definition though, Yes it is. It's a group of people sharing a common interest. It might be part of the greater community as a whole, but it is still it's on distinct entity, just like how those that play at an flgs can often be a similar self-contained group (I mean, I know several groups that play solely at particular flgs's due to location, travel etc).
Kirasu wrote:
An easily accessible central meeting place is how those are formed.
It helps. It really does and I won't argue with it. I'll agree with it. Like I said. I've seen clubs based In churches, community centres, libraries, back rooms of pubs, Bedrooms, basements and garages etc.
My response was specifically to your claims that game stores were 'required to build communities' and that 'you can't build the hobby off of some dude having a tiny little gaming board in his room'. Both statements are untrue. And FYI, it wasn't a 'tiny board' - it was a 4 by 4, which is standard warmachine sized board.
You can't build the hobby off of some dude having a tiny little gaming board in his room.. as opposed to a game store having *twenty* + a place for people to congregate. I do admit, I assume you're talking about the UK due to the use of the word "flat".. in the US we have a massive amount of space and are spread apart.. Game stores are required to build communities.
Kirasu wrote:
.Also a community doesn't require a "tight group of friends" because when a key person leaves the group often falls apart where as a community of non-related people moves on.
You're missing the point by a mile. You are correct though - it doesn't 'require' a tight group of friends, but it certainly helps enormously. A cohesive group will have staying power that a bunch of transients won't. You go out of your way for your friends - you will go that extra mile for them (and don't say you won't, that's the whole damned point of friends - you support each other). A big part of my wonders how, if you don't want to make good friends through your hobbies and interests, then what the hell is the point of it all in the first place. 'Abstract chess' only goes so far.
Key person leaves and the group fails - well, that can happen. But to be fair to these groups, everyone should be proactive, show a bit of cop on and maturity in their group so that there is no 'key piece' either. In our group for example, we all contribute we all have stuff for different games, and we all bring different ideas to the table. If any of us can't make it, the rest shrug and move on.
As you say, non related people thst just 'move on' - well, that transience doesn't really appeal to a lot of people. Your just a bunch of strangers in a room. Fine, you'll move on, because there was nothing holding you together. And that in itself is its own problem. What holds people together oftentimes is what makes a community, and makes it worth a goddamn. It's what makes gaming truly shine. You are missing out by not having it in the first place. So fine, you've lost nothing when everyone moves on. Good for you. Equally, one can argue that you've gained absolutely nothing in equal measure. Take it from a guy who has moved through a bunch of different communities, and had to retrench in a new country, and build it all up again. If it was just 'randoms ' gaming would just be a thing I do. There would be nothing more to it, and no greater joy to be had. But with the building of, and taking part in a community, I have great friends, and I now have roots in a community In A new country where once upon a time I know no one, and had no other connections. Think about the value there for a minute. Those connections we make and build are what make us human. And what make us great. They give us something worth building, worth maintaining and worth growing and protecting. You get out what you put in, at the end of the day.
Try it some day with your community. I can only recommend it.
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