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Quoted from the 2007 Chaos Space Marines Codex:

"[Some Daemon Princes are even older and more powerful than the Primarchs]. There are Daemon Princes who bartered their souls to Chaos long before humankind left Earth, brutal dictators and bloodthirsty warriors who gained power as mighty civilization rose and fell throughout Humanity's war-torn, tortured history."

So, am I to understand that Attila the Hun and Benito Mussolini are lurking in the Eye of Terror as daemon princes?

   
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I can imagine a daemon prince with hitler's haircut and moustache..

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Oh my god, the conversion possibilities!!!

   
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http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Uraka_Az%27baramael#.US8TrDA3vSk

I think I found Attila for you.

 
   
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Wow.. Good catch, thanks.

   
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Real question is what God did each follow?

Atiila the Hun - Khorne
Genghas Khan - Slaanesh (fathered zillions of kids)
Hitler - Tzeentch, organised master extermination plans?
Stalin - Nurgle - starvation and disease?
   
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 Spyral wrote:
Real question is what God did each follow?

Atiila the Hun - Khorne
Genghas Khan - Slaanesh (fathered zillions of kids)
Hitler - Tzeentch, organised master extermination plans?
Stalin - Nurgle - starvation and disease?
Actually, Doombreed (basically the first Daemon Prince of Khorne) would probably be Attila and Uraka would be Ghengis Khan(Khan's thing was bloodshed first, the ladies were just a perk.

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 ace101 wrote:
Actually, Doombreed (basically the first Daemon Prince of Khorne) would probably be Attila and Uraka would be Ghengis Khan(Khan's thing was bloodshed first, the ladies were just a perk.


Yeah I guess so - sacks of ears and the likes..
   
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I think Hitler would match Nurgle the most actually. Nurgle isn;t the god of disease, he's the god of morbidity and despair. If you've read up on Hitler you'd know he was always wracked with depression and self-doubt despite his stubborn/unrealistic expectations of his followers. By the end it became so bad he was uncontrollably shaking.

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Stalin and Hitler both loved red, kinda like Khorne

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 Harriticus wrote:
I think Hitler would match Nurgle the most actually. Nurgle isn;t the god of disease, he's the god of morbidity and despair. If you've read up on Hitler you'd know he was always wracked with depression and self-doubt despite his stubborn/unrealistic expectations of his followers. By the end it became so bad he was uncontrollably shaking.


I read in one of those Bathroom Reader compilations that this was because his incompetent personal phsycian was inadvertently poisoning him with a treatment for farting that contained, among other things, rat poison.

That being said, Genghis Khan, maybe. (There was a thread over a year ago called 'Is Doombreed Hitler?' where someone postulated that Temujin was Doombreed, rather than Uraka, incidentally...) I think Hitler and Mussolini, personally, are far too ludicrous to work in a 40k setting, especially as daemon princes. My personal take on it is that the ruinous powers want people who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty, not snivelling bureacratic weasels.

The few daemon princes who have their origin in pre-Imperial Terra are left vague for a reason, though. Doombreed and Uraka could be multiple people throughout history. Many folks feel they 'know' which historical personage the daemon princes are supposed to be, which is fine too. Much like the missing Legions, you're supposed to fill that data in yourself, since it's far more satisfying for you on a personal level that way. (There's probably several folks out there who would never be satisfied if Games Workshop officially said that Doombreed was anyone other than Hitler. There are other folks who would never be satisfied if they DID say that.)

Personally, I think it's far more fitting if Doombreed and Uraka are people we've never heard of. Both of them are servants of Khorne, and I think it fits the setting better (and is far more fitting from a literary perspective) if both of them are long forgotten, their names erased in the bloodshed that followed their reign. In the same way as no one (including themselves) bothered to remember their victims, there is no one left to spare a thought for them.

That's just my personal take on it, of course.

   
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I'd only known about Doombreed and I sorta assumed they said that to leave it unclear so players could make Doombreed into whatever historical figure they liked. Since GW likes to set the foundations and let players make up their own details. But WOW I didn't know they were that explicit with Uraka.

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Dictators would never make a daemon prince of khorne. Other than as a soldier in ww1 I don't think hitler ever killed anybody, nor did Stalin, Mussolini or most others. They just ordered others to do it. Khorne likes violent death and slaughter which most dictators lack the stomach for in person, the real aspect of their evil is the things they make others do, the monster they bring out in others. I can't see Khorne elevating someone who didn't do the deed in person.

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Here we go. Had to look a couple of things up before I could provide some specifics. There's a lot more details on Uraka, that's true, but keep in mind that those could apply to many warlords throughout history. Genghis Khan is certainly a possibility, but those details could also apply to Batu Khan, Oz Beg Khan, Alexander the Great, Hernán Cortés, Po-cha-na-quar-hip (or Buffalo Hump), Iron Jacket, Quanah Parker, Khalid ibn al-Walid, or any of a host of other warriors.

Horse warriors and conquerors born on horseback are found throughout the world and history. I could easily see Uraka being someone from the Assyrian, Parthian, Kamboja, Avar, Comanche, Kipchak, Don Cossack, (and of course Mongol) cultures. Each of these groups has a history of military conquest from horseback. With all conquest comes brutality, but many of these conquerors and cultures have some particularly nasty reputations. (Of course, they're all nasty if you're the guy getting conquered!)

In any event, I think that Genghis Khan might very well be a famous horse-born warlord, but he's hardly the only one in our history worth considering. Of course, that's just my opinion, and I could always be wrong.

(And I totally agree, Trog!)

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 Spyral wrote:
 ace101 wrote:
Actually, Doombreed (basically the first Daemon Prince of Khorne) would probably be Attila and Uraka would be Ghengis Khan(Khan's thing was bloodshed first, the ladies were just a perk.


Yeah I guess so - sacks of ears and the likes..


Ah, Khornes old shame of his follower's early battlecry. "Blood for the blood god. Ears for the ear throne."

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