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New GW terms for trade accounts prohibits sales of items not in their original packaging as well as a few other shenanigans. Thoughts for bits sellers?

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That's insane. We are unable to convert anymore if this goes through... unless we only use 3rd party bits or *gasp* buy a kit for a whole shoulder pad?


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I don't want to sound panicky. My previous comment was meant with a skeptical tone.

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So does this mean your FLGS can't sell used models anymore, as they obviously aren't in their original packaging? Is this more of GW trying (in vain) to kill the secondhand market?

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So how are they going to enforce this insane new policy?
   
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And, can we have a link to it please?

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Sorry but without a source I cannot believe this asinine policy.

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Different countries might have different rules, but surely once you buy something you own it and can resell it however you like.
   
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overkongen wrote:
Different countries might have different rules, but surely once you buy something you own it and can resell it however you like.

It depends, In america you cant modify your phone to do what you want it to.

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 Sidstyler wrote:
So does this mean your FLGS can't sell used models anymore, as they obviously aren't in their original packaging?

I don't believe so. Since the used models were obtained from a source other than the GW trade account, the terms of the trade account presumably do not apply.

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Bits sellers on eBay don't have trade accounts, they get a kit and break it up. They can still do that. They can't prevent that from happening.

This only applies to retailers who order product from GW. Most bits people I tend to deal with are not retail stores with trade accounts. Getting a kit at 20% off and bitting it out is more than enough way to make a decent profit.

Not sure if this is a real problem or not. It won't stop bits sales.

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I'm sure in Britain there's a law that if you purchase a physical object you can sell it on. I'll try and look it up, but since it's a British company, I can't see them doing it.
   
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overkongen wrote:
Different countries might have different rules, but surely once you buy something you own it and can resell it however you like.


The issue wouldn't be for consumers reselling stuff, rather retailers who have a trade account with GW. For example, The War Store sells a lot of loose bits. GW can put terms in place like they already have banning EU stores from selling to Australia, US stores selling directly online or any stores from offering certain discount levels. If they want to sell GW products, they have to abide by the rules GW puts in place (provided those rules dont violate other trade laws).

I would expect to see the impact and official word on something like this fairly soon as it would impact a lot of stores. It isnt out of character for GW though, so I am inclined to believe it.
   
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This seems like a bad move for GW, unless it's linked to the lost and lamented GW Bitz service making a comeback. Restricting the supply of GW bitz will just drive people to the third parties such as Chapterhouse, Kromlech, and Anvil Industries.
   
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 Kingsley wrote:
This seems like a bad move for GW, unless it's linked to the lost and lamented GW Bitz service making a comeback. Restricting the supply of GW bitz will just drive people to the third parties such as Chapterhouse, Kromlech, and Anvil Industries.

I somehow doubt that, considering that this move will only affect the "more expensive" bits providers like Battlewagon Bits.

Places where you already pay more than you would from a bits seller on eBay selling the same item.
   
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Again, I want a source for this.

   
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nkelsch wrote:
Bits sellers on eBay don't have trade accounts, they get a kit and break it up. They can still do that. They can't prevent that from happening.


As far as I know most bitz sites do that. This is really a non-issue.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Kingsley wrote:
This seems like a bad move for GW, unless it's linked to the lost and lamented GW Bitz service making a comeback. Restricting the supply of GW bitz will just drive people to the third parties such as Chapterhouse, Kromlech, and Anvil Industries.

I somehow doubt that, considering that this move will only affect the "more expensive" bits providers like Battlewagon Bits.

Places where you already pay more than you would from a bits seller on eBay selling the same item.


Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I've bought bitz both from eBay folks and from Battlewagon Bits/The War Store and I've found Battlewagon to be generally superior in reliability, availability, shipping costs, and selection. The fact that you can purchase bitz along with other GW orders is just the icing on the cake there.
   
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Agreed, I too would like verification on this. Without provenance this seems a bit of a troll.

I will say though it fits with the myopic view of success that GW seems to have these days. It's almost as though someone at Nottingham is making bets on how many players they can alienate and how low they can drive sales figures. Need rules for that new flyer? Psyche we ain't got 'em! Want an e.book version, sorry you have to have an i-device, what you mean you don't have one?

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+1 on the source as well.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
nkelsch wrote:
Bits sellers on eBay don't have trade accounts, they get a kit and break it up. They can still do that. They can't prevent that from happening.


As far as I know most bitz sites do that. This is really a non-issue.

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I suspect this is to knock out the large scale sellers with trade accounts who unbox whole new kits at so they can sell them online with trolleys or to Australia new kit prices

rather than the 'low' volume sales of ebay bits sellers of game stores who break the occasional box (which they can still do, writing them off as damaged stock)

 
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Kingsley wrote:
This seems like a bad move for GW, unless it's linked to the lost and lamented GW Bitz service making a comeback. Restricting the supply of GW bitz will just drive people to the third parties such as Chapterhouse, Kromlech, and Anvil Industries.

I somehow doubt that, considering that this move will only affect the "more expensive" bits providers like The War Store.

Places where you already pay more than you would from a bits seller on eBay selling the same item.


Fixed that for you. I've found TWS has a MUCH higher mark up the BB ever thought of!

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This was in the Oz terms of trade back in the '90s. No idea if it still is, but I would be surprised if it's not, and am equally surprised that it wasn't already in the US terms.

When I started selling bits on eBay it wasn't an issue, since I wasn't buying through a GW trade account anyway.


 
   
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 alarmingrick wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Kingsley wrote:
This seems like a bad move for GW, unless it's linked to the lost and lamented GW Bitz service making a comeback. Restricting the supply of GW bitz will just drive people to the third parties such as Chapterhouse, Kromlech, and Anvil Industries.

I somehow doubt that, considering that this move will only affect the "more expensive" bits providers like The War Store.

Places where you already pay more than you would from a bits seller on eBay selling the same item.


Fixed that for you. I've found TWS has a MUCH higher mark up the BB ever thought of!

True enough.

At the very least, there's a somewhat logical reason as to why. TWS/BB consistently have things in stock with very little times where the "popular bits" are out of stock for lengthy amounts of time.
   
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 pretre wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
nkelsch wrote:
Bits sellers on eBay don't have trade accounts, they get a kit and break it up. They can still do that. They can't prevent that from happening.


As far as I know most bitz sites do that. This is really a non-issue.

Mark this day down! I agree with H.B.M.C.


Those bit sellers have trade accounts with gw, they need it to buy at the 45% discount from gw so then can then sell the bits.
   
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As someone who's business is bitz all i have to say is eh. I don't buy direct from them i have other distributors. I have no plans on stopping and it's also not illegal. GW can make whatever terms they like and if you buy direct from them then you have to follow it but i don't and I'm one of the larger bits sellers in the U.S.A. i did hear about this yesterday though and i laughed.

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I'm a retailer with a trade account, but all I can say is that I've known all week that tonight is the night we're supposed to find about the "new changes to GW's trade account policies" which will be "aimed at supporting brick & mortar stores at the expense of online vendors." My rep emailed earlier today to say the details of that announcement would still be emailed to us later tonight, but he still hasn't sent us the details. It's hard for me to imagine this being false given its timing. I'm hoping that it only applies to cracking boxes for bits, though, and that the mere fact that I sell bits isn't going to be held against me if it's reported to GW. A policy that outright forbids selling bits will ONLY negatively affect brick and mortar stores.

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haroon wrote:
Those bit sellers have trade accounts with gw, they need it to buy at the 45% discount from gw so then can then sell the bits.

Not necessarily.

The key is that kits with parts in high demand wind up with the sum of the bits sales adding up to more than the normal retail cost of the kit, which works because people would rather pay more per part for just the bits they want, rather than buying a whole kit.

So if your prices are worked out correctly, and you choose what you sell and how much you buy at a time, you can make a profit buying at retail (or preferably retail with a discount, although I just bought a lot of my stuff straight from GW UK back before Maelstrom started up, thanks to the exchange rate making that a good deal).

A trade account would obviously be better... but seeing as I'm an Australian and was only selling online, and was only selling components and conversions, that was never an option.

 
   
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bigger issue isn't whether it's legal (when has that EVER stopped GW from sending a C&D?) but whether they're big enough to make eBay simply pull those listings just because they say they want the listings pulled. Spoiler alert: they already do that.

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overkongen wrote:Different countries might have different rules, but surely once you buy something you own it and can resell it however you like.


Sir Samuel Buca wrote:I'm sure in Britain there's a law that if you purchase a physical object you can sell it on. I'll try and look it up, but since it's a British company, I can't see them doing it.


You can sell stuff on whatever terms you want (as long as it doesn't violate constitutional rights on discrimination or something like that). Those terms wouldn't apply to a third party who later purchased them down the line. I suppose the terms could include a clause that any resale had to have the same terms. Would be completely unenforceable though, as GW could only claim against the seller, and wouldn't have a claim against the third party (GW would have to go after the seller for violating terms if the seller didn't go after the third party).
   
 
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