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Last month I played in a tournament with my IG and, as usual, brought an ADL. One of the tables was set up with a lot of Urban Ruins making a grid-pattern with three 6" wide "streets" running the long-way of the table, and five "streets" running across the short dimension. the setup was Hammer and Anvil. I had a nice, deep deployment zone, but little space in which to set up the ADL.

I had always seen everyone else deploy their ADL in a pretty much linear configuration, or perhaps an "L" shape. For this tight quarters situation I had to come up with a way to deploy and follow the rule about all sections being contiguous. My solution was to deploy it in an "S" shape, essentially blocking one of the streets in my DZ.

In the front part of the "S" I placed my unit of Ratling Snipers to man the Quad Gun, in the back loop of the "S" I placed my Hydra. This configuration turned out to be very effective in protecting my units from attack in many directions. Since then I have modified the configuration into a kind of "y", as seen here:




Has anyone else used a configuration other than the "straight line" or box and found it useful?

I run a config with my tau as follows (pardon the crappy ASCII drawing):

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QG represents the Quad gun. "Dots" are empty space (forum will collapse the drawing if I use spaces). This allows protection from the front and sides of the formation. The little bit that snakes into the quad gun allows for the model manning the Quadgun to not be on my front lines allowing me to use characters I'd rather not place in the line of fire on the weapon.

Lets you get a cover save if someone outflanks the pred a/o the scouts. Basically just a modified box deployment.

@Thaylen - I like the idea of the short tag to connect the QG and still be able to put other troops in front... smart.

@Nevelon - Do you run into LOS problems with the scouts being blocked by the QG? The QG has a 360 arc of fire, but it looks like the scouts may not all be able to fire on the same unit.

 hdbbstephen wrote:
@Nevelon - Do you run into LOS problems with the scouts being blocked by the QG? The QG has a 360 arc of fire, but it looks like the scouts may not all be able to fire on the same unit.

Not yet, although it could happen. I generally deploy it front and center, so they have a pretty good arc across the table. And frankly, the scouts are there mostly to shoot the quad gun and hold an objective. Any firepower they put out on their own is gravy.

I see. I keep my CCS inside, for protection for the Advisors and the Hydra. I like to bring 2 or 3 flamers as defensive weaponry to even the odds if they get assaulted.

I usually have a massed Guard gunline behind so I usually just use the 4 bigger pieces for the front and then I put two of the smaller pieces on each side to give some sort of cover from anyone who starts to flank. But with how big my gunline is I dont really have many exceptions aside from the straight line.

I usually deploy mine like Nevelon, it makes it almost impossible for deep striking units to get in amongst your line. They'll be forced to drop the other side, meaning anything they target gets the cover save. I like the OP's solution too though.

Preventing assaults by boxing in your units so much that something has to die before the enemy can reach b2b (especially with darkstrider's consolidate. After overwatch shenanigans to fill holes) is a trick I have waiting to bring out if TFG wants a game...

When I finish my Orky Aegis, I'm going to deploy it something like a capital E with the long part of the E facing the enermy.

So many goddamn Manticores and such... the small bars of the E divide the emplacement into foxholes so they aren't robbed of their 2+ gtg cover

Nobody_Holme wrote:
Preventing assaults by boxing in your units so much that something has to die before the enemy can reach b2b (especially with darkstrider's consolidate. After overwatch shenanigans to fill holes) is a trick I have waiting to bring out if TFG wants a game...

It is a wall so the enemy only needs to be in b2b contact with the wall.

If you deploy across the back edge, you can effectively remove one of the sides needed, thus increases the range of the 'box'.

If the boxed units have the range ofc.

I'm very tempted to stack my wall segments on top of each other to make little bunkers... but I have a feeling that wouldn't quite count as the "base contact" the stipulations call for.

 skoffs wrote:
I'm very tempted to stack my wall segments on top of each other to make little bunkers... but I have a feeling that wouldn't quite count as the "base contact" the stipulations call for.

I thought of that for a friend of mine with a Reaver Titian to give it a cover save. The rule was that the base on top was not touching the base of the bottom one so it would be illegal. I had to point out to a friend of mine that the Gun also has to be in base to base, as he wanted to put it on top of a building separate. I think most folk forget that as long as the gun is behind the wall, it is getting a cover save, same with the gunner.

What kills me are the LoS rules concerning the ADL. Consider that pic with the Predator, if those side sponson guns are not tall enough to shoot over the wall, LoS is blocked because vehicle weapon fire LoS is based off of the gun. Same goes with a Guard friends who has a hard time with low HWTs (he made little bunkers to only use the top half of the gunners). The problem with the ADL is they did not say anything about addressing LoS so his HWTs could not fire through it... they didn't have LoS. I have seen someone in a tourney against a ADL set up on a 1" hill ridge top claim he couldn't be shot be the defenders because the ADL blocked their LoS to his unit. None of us could find any rules concerning the ADL ignoring the LoS rule. It is terrain, not a friendly unit so the owner can't ignore it for LoS. It doesn't have set 'firing ports' and it is not battlements... it is a wall. We were stumped. If someone here can find a rule to clear this up, would be great, but till then, don't use kneeling figs behind it. :(

To be honest, it depends on the list I am using how I use the wall. I have had to be a lot more creative because of the LoS issues. I think it also depends on who your playing. If you see a ton of DSers, you probably want a loop, for example.

Hmmm, interesting thoughts on LOS. I have been playing (my own "house rule", I guess) that any model behind the ADL and in base contact can shoot over it and be shot at. I make a point of mentioning it to my opponent, especially if I am using Ratling Snipers to man the QG, because they are too small to see/be seen over the wall.

It hasn't been an issue yet.

It might be the relaxed crowd I play with, but I've never seen anyone argue LOS from shooting from behind an ADL.

Personally in the clutter of rules from editions past in my head, both 40k and WHFB, I remember a rule where units right behind walls don't count the wall for cover. I suspect this might be in reference to guys bracing crossbows on stone walls. One would assume that if you are setting up field fortifications, you would make sure you had clear lines of fire. But when we are placing miniatures on flat tables, without the advantage of entrenching tools, or slight rises in terrain to take advantage off, we don't have that luxury.

But that's a RAI or even narrative/cinematic argument, nothing resembling RAW.

i personally havent had the chance to play with ADLs yet as my friends and I are too poor to afford 6th edition. I do have the DV rue book but find it really hard to read(it is pretty tiny), so we plug away with 5th edition, in which there is a rule stating that any unit within a ruin or behind wall ect can see over and be seen over the wall or barrier if they are in base contact, in my most recent game this came up. It represents the soldier taking up firing positions behind the wall and popping up to fire, which doesn't work too well with static minis.

This is my anti barrage for sniper scouts deployment.

I like it!

 Dakkamite wrote:
When I finish my Orky Aegis, I'm going to deploy it something like a capital E with the long part of the E facing the enermy.

So many goddamn Manticores and such... the small bars of the E divide the emplacement into foxholes so they aren't robbed of their 2+ gtg cover

I've been looking for ideas in making one, do you have any pictures you could pm me of this creation?

 Nevelon wrote:


Lets you get a cover save if someone outflanks the pred a/o the scouts. Basically just a modified box deployment.

So, has anyone ever argued that the lascannon sponsons on your tank can't shoot through the ADL without giving your opponent a cover save or can't shoot through at all?

Chancetragedy wrote:
This is my anti barrage for sniper scouts deployment.

This is illegal. Check FAQ, you can only place ADL parts so that they are in a single unbroken line

Has anybody found anything on the questions of the side sponsons being blocked by LOS? I'd really like to know.

I think people shouldn't mind it if barrel of a weapon is in 2" range, that is the range for using cover and not granting it to an enemy.
On the topic of LOS, I think a good way around bad rule design is, if any part of your model (not just eyes) sees anything though the slits or over wall then he has LOS, since you know, warriors can crouch or stand... and stuff... And if model can shoot, so he can be shot at too. Makes it simple.

 Mr. Voidness wrote:

Chancetragedy wrote:
This is my anti barrage for sniper scouts deployment.

This is illegal. Check FAQ, you can only place ADL parts so that they are in a single unbroken line

No, it is legal: (from the FAQ, p9 http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3170233a_40K_RULEBOOK_v1.4_APRIL13.pdf)

Q: Can you deploy the Aegis Defence Line sections in two or more
groups of two or more sections apiece (this way, they will still be in
base contact with at least one other section)? (p114)

A: No – the Aegis defence line sections must be deployed in
an unbroken chain, though they can be connected end-to-end
such as in the example shown on page 114.

It doesn't say "line", it says "chain".

Hm isn't this synonymous? Got me thinking..

I would say it (the anti-barage for sniper scout deployment) is illegal based on the FAQ. The knocked over E formation also appears illegal unless you use two pieced to make the central it of the E.

If you used it (the anti-barage for sniper scout deployment) and put a scout behind one of the inner walls would the person he was shooting (through 2 walls worth of ADL) get an ADL cover save? If not then you might as well just make it a thin and long rectangle and put units split over the rear wall of it.

Do you have to deploy a ADL on flat ground?

It seems to me that an "unbroken chain" of ADL segments means that all of the pieces need to be contiguous, but not necessarily continuous (simply linked end-to-end).

re: getting cover for shooting past multiple walls, I would think that you need to get in there and check the LOS. It's very likely they would, depending how far away they are...(check out this Skyshield review http://blog.spikeybits.com/2013/04/40k-tactica-review-skyshield-landing-pad.html?showComment=1366675617688)

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I run mine on a .... something arrange
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Havig the QG on the deployment borders so that i can place my havocs and man it since turn 1 and on the right/left a vindi so that it can move 6" on first turn and get in range to shoot something at 24" (the bottom 2 lines are short sections) brings small cover for the troops but hey.... I got PA, rather have the vindi in cover and near the center of the table.

Edit: I guess it could look something like a farm truck....