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So my gaming club is going to run a Storm of Chaos campaign. Since Valten's rules are outdated, I thought I'd try to update them for 8th ed.

Valten the Blacksmith

Hero choice for Empire: 150 points

M4 WS5 BS5 S4 T4 W2 I5 A3 Ld8

Equipment: Light armor, 2 hand weapons

Special Rules:

Insane Heroism: Valten is utterly fearless. He has Immune to Psychology.

Destiny: Valten has a 4+ ward save.

Fires of Sigmar: Valten's close combat attacks are magical, flaming and armor piercing.

Inspiring Presence: Valten may confer his Ld in the same manner as a General.


Valten, Hero of the Empire

Lord choice for Empire: 320 points

M4 WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I6 A4 Ld9

Equipment: Full Plate armor

Dwarven hammer: Great weapon that does not have the ASL rule.

Mount: Barded Warhorse.

Special Rules:

Insane Heroism: Valten is utterly fearless. He has Immune to Psychology and Stubborn.

Destiny: Valten has a 4+ ward save.

Fires of Sigmar: Valten's close combat attacks are magical, flaming and armor piercing.

Inspiring Presence: Valten may confer his Ld in the same manner as a General. If he IS the general, his inspiring presence is increased to 18 inches.


Valten, Exalted of Sigmar

Lord choice for Empire: 650 points

M4 WS7 BS5 S4 T4 W4 I6 A5 Ld10

Equipment:

Armor of the Heldenhammer: This provides a rerollable 2+ armor save

Gal Maraz: Magic weapon. All hits wound automatically, with no armor saves allowed. Multiple Wounds (D3)

Mounts: Althandin is a monstrous beast.

Althandin: M10 WS5 BS0 S4 T4 W2 I5 A3 Ld8

Special Rules:

Insane Heroism: Valten is utterly fearless. He has Unbreakable, conferred to any unit he joins.

Destiny: Valten has a 3+ ward save.

Exalted of Sigmar: Valten has the following rules, which are also conferred to all friendly units within 6 inches: Hatred, Flaming attacks (close combat only)

Inspiring Presence: Valten must be the army general. His inspiring presence is 24 inches.

That actually looks really good.
I would totally fight against that.
Or, sneak up on it in the night and stab in in the back with my skaven assassin.

-Matt

I think he's too good at each step.

I don't know storms of chaos well, can't remember where I put my book. But LD10 IP of 24" with a 2+ rerollable(!) save and 3+ ward is a bit nutty.

I know everything is a bit crazy in storms, but still.

DukeRustfield wrote:
I think he's too good at each step.

I don't know storms of chaos well, can't remember where I put my book. But LD10 IP of 24" with a 2+ rerollable(!) save and 3+ ward is a bit nutty.

I know everything is a bit crazy in storms, but still.

But it's on a 650 point lord choice. At that point, you're running 2600 points or more, and aren't running a wizard lord.
This guy is supposed to go toe to toe with Archaon (who oddly enough costs the same).

It's a pretty even fight, but I think Archaon has an edge.
1+ armor 3+ ward (re-roll 1's) with -1 to be hit, and only wounded on a 3+ or better.
6 attacks S6 on the charge, no armor save, or could have 10 attacks if he unleashes the daemon.
18" bubble as general, and a 12 inch re-roll.

Valten is getting less attacks, hitting on 5's (thanks to mark of nurgle) wounding on 3's (thanks to archeons magic armor) but doing D3 wounds per hit.
To top it off, Archaeon is a level 2 caster, so he does get a few other bonuses, and has a better horse.

I'd bet on Archaon, but it could go either way.
Of course, if I were Valten, I would have my cannons shoot the piss out of Archeon and hope to get lucky.

DukeRustfield wrote:
I think he's too good at each step.

I don't know storms of chaos well, can't remember where I put my book. But LD10 IP of 24" with a 2+ rerollable(!) save and 3+ ward is a bit nutty.

I know everything is a bit crazy in storms, but still.

Karl Franz, riding on a monstrous mount, gives the same leadership bubble now. And while his ward save is 4+ and his armour save only a base 4+, the power isn't that far off. When you consider the way Storms ramped up the power levels of characters in general, it doesn't seem to far off to me.

I've actually play tested it a bit
Short of Archaon rolling like gak and licking his sword, he edges Valten in 2 rounds of combat, as he should
The danger here being the 1st round when Valten gets hatred, with Gal Maraz doing D3 wounds Archaon ends up copping between 1-2 wounds in the 1st round. As long as he doesn't keep rolling 1s to hit, Archaon should beat down Valten and have between 1-2 wounds left on his profile. Which again makes sense as he would shred Luthor Huss, even the ramped up SoC version, and then Grimgor would finish him curtesy of ASF hitting Archaon first

In a round about way, Valten does kill Archeon. Archeon needs to use his swords ability. Once he turns it loose, he does win against valten, but risks losing if empire can just keep him in the fight. Sooner or later he will roll enough wounds to off himself.

Unlike Archeon, Valten can show up with some lore of life buddies to heal him.

-Matt

I would allow the two lower Valtens in normal battles but as you have put the higher one would be SOM only.

Archaon can be used in normal battles though can't he?

Are there a lot of SOM only characters?

Archaon can be used in normal battles, however he is 580 on foot and 650 mounted.