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http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2013/05/23/space-marine-codex-rumors/

Well apparently they are going to break up the dex so it’s not ultra marines heavy, they will have more generic characters then bring out expansions with characters and paint jobs for different chapters, same with the Eldar

So you buy the codex, then get the white scars expansion that gives you upgrades, characters etc. Now this fist come from my [deleted] buddy, it came from another source, but he seems to think that it going to happen.

So according to him the Eldar dex is coming out then there will a Ithilian (spelt wrong) expansionYou will need both books to play with themThis will also happen with the SM

Also there will be a integration of some things from FW into the new dex (weapons mostly) to expand on the current system. As well as a lot more upgrade options, givin ou a tone more flexibility with your lists (like the tau, demons crons did) All these dexes are bringing the game up to 6th Ed rule standard.

So ALL the dexes will be upgraded before they are done (GK, IMPS, NIDS, ORKS, SISTERS, BA, BT) But (if the ruinous are true) then the expansions will work with the dex for Imp Fist, White Scars, Ultramarines, etc.This is not official, my mate from [Deleted] [deleted] says they are gearing up For the next HH book (coming out Xmas) so will keep you posted on that, but it had Corax, Vulkan, the Gorgon as the three primarchs.

Plus a load of new awesome mecanicum, oh plus they have released a new Titan above a war lord but not a emporer, but for the life of me can’t remember the name.

Comes out in the battle of calth(The big ultramarine planet the word bearers invade)

Will let you knowHH book is scheduled for next year, Xmas will see mortarion An I think that’s about ItThe FW stuff I true The SM rumors are rumors But sound very plausible

Oh prob going to be a large Contemptor dread as well.


Hadn't seen this elsewhere.

http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2013/05/28/rumors-space-marines-genestealer-cults-and-forge-world-oh-my/
Rumors for you, rumors for me!

So, some more rumors for us to pontificate upon. Perhaps even ruminate over! Other big words about thinking, yes!

So anyway, here’s the scoop. Our source hit me up this morning to let me know some more goodies he or she had been told from their source who works for a certain large miniatures manufacturer in some capacity (sorry to be so vague, just don’t want to lose the lead on good info). This source has proven to be very reliable in the past, telling us about Adeptus Mechanicus at FW before it hit, among others, most of which have turned out to be accurate. Some of what this individual has told us has also turned out to not be accurate, but with rumors it is hard to judge. They could be accurate at one point in time and then plans change, or they could be a version of the truth, etc. All I can say is that I trust this source as it is a person I go way, way back with. That said, these are just rumors after all folks, so salt and all that.

During the course of our conversation, we covered a number of topics, and this is a bit of a summation. For one, I was told that my guesses about possible “mini-dexes” for the Chaos Space Marines to further explore the Legions may in fact be true. What that means I can only speculate on as my source didn’t know anything else. Rules? Fluff? Art? All of the above? None of the above? I can’t say at this point in time, although I fervently hope it means legion specific rules. I think we will learn a lot from the Iyanden Eldar supplement that is coming out in mere days. What I have heard about that book so far is that it is both physical and digital, and that is has rules and fluff specific to Iyanden, which makes sense as GW just invested so much money into producing the Wraithknight, Wraithguard/Blades, Spirit Seer, etc. and woudl want to maximize profit for that release. I think that this book will be a good indication as to the future direction of these “mini-dexes” we’ve been hearing about since before 6th ed hit. We’ve had steady rumors on this topic now for over a year.

Which is a nice segue into our next topic! I was told that Genestealer Cults are indeed in the works. This is a rumor that has been corroborated by another source we have that is also a very trustworthy point of information and as such I am thinking these rumors are looking highly plausible. What I was told more specifically was that the IP for Genestealer Cults may not actually belong to GW, and that a company patented the idea/IP/models/something like that in the 90′s thinking that GW would buy the rights to the idea. GW did not and as such the idea has sat untouched since then.

As I was told, this patent expires next year….coincidentally right about the time GW plans to release Tyranids! So, GW’s plan as it was related to me, is to try to acquire the IP once the patent is up, or to release Genestealer Cult units under another name. That would be pretty cool and an Iyanden like supplement for them would be pretty awesome, IMO. Plus that means the bugs would have access to an entirely new type of build with, if it happens and turns out to be anything like the Genestealer Cults of days past, vehicles and…a mother f#$%(@n Limousine! Yeah buddy, the Magus rolled in style, son! I’f put a gold grille and spinners on mine, of course.

This lead into a talk about the Space Marine giant robot that has been rumored to be on the way. This has been repeated many times now by multiple sources, and seeing as how every army has been getting a giant dude/monster/robot on an oval base, I don’t think this is going to surprise anyone. As Space Marines are far and away the best selling army in any of GW’s game systems, making one of these would be like printing money. As to what it is, what I keep hearing is a “giant Contemptor Dreadnought.”

I asked if he thought GW would port over more FW units directly into the dex like we saw with IG, and he said he thought no. The reason stated is that he was told FW took a major hit on the Baneblade. Apparently it was one of the best, if not the best, selling kits Forgeworld had prior to the superior and cheaper GW plastic kit. The thought process was to introduce FW type kits to GW retail outlets and FLGS’ at a more affordable price point to increase awareness of FW style products. Apparently the idea backfired as it killed sales on the Baneblade. The end result was a major loss for FW’s bottom line with a relatively minor increase to GW’s. I was told as a result of this the acting CEO of FW at the time resigned/was asked to resign. I tried to verify this on Google, but couldn’t find who the acting CEO of FW was when the Baneblade was released. If anyone knows and could verify this, that would be great.

So at any rate, FW and GW are not overlapping models any more as they end of competing with themselves and cannibalizing sales from one another. As such, plans for a plastic Thunderbolt that were in the works were scrapped.

Speculation: if the above is true, that would explain why we have not, and likely will not see plastic T-Hawks, Warhounds, etc. What we are getting are these new, unique models such as the Wraithknight (anyone remember the frequent rumors of a plastic Revenant Titan that were floating around for years?). Could the Storm Raven be what became of the rumored plastic T-Hawk? It does look like a squished T-Hawk and with 3D sculpting on computers these days, I imagine it would be fairly easy to do for one with the appropriate skill-set.

I am of course just guessing here, but it seems very plausible to me that in an effort to not cannibalize their own sales–which makes sense–GW is instead using their ever improving plastic manufacturing capabilities, and predilection for retconning the fluff as needed to introduce new models, to get the best of both worlds. Big, new, relatively affordable plastic kits (compared to FW) that have proven to be popular in both 40K and Fantasy seems like an intelligent compromise. This leaves FW to do their thing, acting as the “Infiniti” to GW’s Nissan in the greater corporate brand. With the new version of Apocalypse rumored on the horizon, and it’s huge popularity upon release, it makes sense to me to make these big kits more accessible to GW’s larger consumer base.

What say you all?

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That would be really interesting if it did work out that way. I'm curious, that's for sure. It would definitely be nice to see some Sisters and BA love too, though.
   
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Frontline hasn't really posted a lot of rumors in the past. The ones it did were both false (FW in GW Stores and FW in normal 40k.)

This one is very salty.

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Agreed. This one sounds false, especially as he believes the new eldar supplement is required to play iyanden (which is incorrect.)
   
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Salty, but I could see it happening. Will keep an eye on this.

If you can keep your head, while all about you are losing their's, then you have probably completely misunderstood the situation!

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As a broad concept, I like it. An easy way to give extra flavour to the original legion chapters and their successors without taking anything away from anyone else. Would also generate extra cash for GW, which I would never begrudge them for a well executed, reasonably priced (right!) product.

I don't have much faith in the rumour, but I do like the idea.

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It's an idea that people have floated around for awhile, and with the Iyanden supplement rumors everyone is expecting it. If Iyanden turns out to be something with a special army list and (maybe) units, I'll believe they're moving in this direction. If not, probably not.

Frankly considering we already had one special chapter get its own full codex (Dark Angels) in 6th edition I'm not holding my breath.

 
   
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Have to buy both to play that one chapter? I dislike you GW.

I can easily see this being done for BT and I will pay without a second thought. Nothing shall stop my crusade.

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Let me guess, the expansions are iJunk device exclusives like with that Eldar thing, right?

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 BrookM wrote:
Let me guess, the expansions are iJunk device exclusives like with that Eldar thing, right?

We don't even know if that Iyanden codex is digital exclusive yet.

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 unmercifulconker wrote:
Individual books to cater to each chapters unique aspects? I love you GW.
Have to buy both to play that one chapter? I dislike you GW.
That's the way it originally was. You had to buy Codex: Space Marines for the base rules and then Codex: Green Marines for the modified Green Marines rules that constantly referenced the base codex. It's only recently that GW decided to release standalone codecies for Space Marines that happen to be painted Green, Silver, Red, or Black.

Then again, codecies also didn't cost $50 back then. It's disappointing that people that painted their Space Marines black will have to shell out $100 for two books in order to play their color variant.

 
   
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It would just be stupid to make these digitally exclusive, do we all have to buy Ipads and bring them to every match?

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 unmercifulconker wrote:
Individual books to cater to each chapters unique aspects? I love you GW.
Have to buy both to play that one chapter? I dislike you GW.
That's the way it originally was. You had to buy Codex: Space Marines for the base rules and then Codex: Green Marines for the modified Green Marines rules that constantly referenced the base codex. It's only recently that GW decided to release standalone codecies for Space Marines that happen to be painted Green, Silver, Red, or Black.

Then again, codecies also didn't cost $50 back then. It's disappointing that people that painted their Space Marines black will have to shell out $100 for two books in order to play their color variant.

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 Absolutionis wrote:
 unmercifulconker wrote:
Individual books to cater to each chapters unique aspects? I love you GW.
Have to buy both to play that one chapter? I dislike you GW.
That's the way it originally was. You had to buy Codex: Space Marines for the base rules and then Codex: Green Marines for the modified Green Marines rules that constantly referenced the base codex. It's only recently that GW decided to release standalone codecies for Space Marines that happen to be painted Green, Silver, Red, or Black.

Then again, codecies also didn't cost $50 back then. It's disappointing that people that painted their Space Marines black will have to shell out $100 for two books in order to play their color variant.


Wha?

Admittedly I was out of the hobby for a while, so this may have happened, but there's certainly no "originally" about it.

Codex Space Wolves, Angels Of Death and Ultramarines existed in 2nd and were stand alone codexes for their relevant chapters.

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Yeah, azreal13 is correct.

2nd edition had full codexes.
3rd edition had C:SM and then tiny add-on codexes that required C:SM to use.

On a side note:
The funny thing is that even though people complain about the 5th edition codex being 'C: Ultramarines', it has less fluff and characters for ultramarines as a percentage of all the fluff and characters in the book than any other C:SM book.

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A shamefully negative thread on Dakka

If this is true, and that each book costs the 50$ we're now seeing, the base retail price point to even play one of those armies has risen to, what... 180$. That's without a single mini bought yet.

Salt indeed.

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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
If this is true, and that each book costs the 50$ we're now seeing, the base retail price point to even play one of those armies has risen to, what... 180$. That's without a single mini bought yet.

Salt indeed.

$50 main codex
$50 Sublist codex
=$180???

What am I missing?

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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
If this is true, and that each book costs the 50$ we're now seeing, the base retail price point to even play one of those armies has risen to, what... 180$. That's without a single mini bought yet.

Salt indeed.

$50 main codex
$50 Sublist codex
=$180???

What am I missing?


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 pretre wrote:
 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
If this is true, and that each book costs the 50$ we're now seeing, the base retail price point to even play one of those armies has risen to, what... 180$. That's without a single mini bought yet.

Salt indeed.

$50 main codex
$50 Sublist codex
=$180???

What am I missing?

$80 bucks.
   
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If the pricing structure is correct, and it's $50 for the add-on, and iPad only, it'll flop.

That both prices people out of getting what they want, and most of your customers can't even purchase it if they want to. However, since the production costs will be basically nil, it'll still generate some revenue for GW.

I do know it'll piss off a lot of people who can't play their marine variant they've had for years if that's the approach. It's one thing to offer digital alternatives with additional content on the iPad, but to offer such attractive content only on an expensive device not many people own (and increasingly iPad competitors are taking their chunk out of the market, being cheaper and more flexible) is rather foolish. In fact, it's the epitome of "GW doesn't like money" gag which has persisted for some time. They literally don't want you to purchase their product unless you also have a $400+ iPad.

I don't know about you, but i'd much rather spend that amount of disposable income (if I had it) in one go on a big Forgeworld order or something, the iPad holds little to no appeal for me, and even if I were to exchange my cheap netbook I use for univeristy for a tablet, I'd get an android or, hell, windows one for significantly less. GW products aren't going to encourage me to buy an overpriced piece of apple junk.

If this becomes a common enough policy, what I might see happening is my local group buying one for the group with all the supplements, "donating" it to the store for general use, but that's pretty doubtful unless GW really compartmentalizes codex production with all sorts of variant lists, which in of itself is doubtful. The rumourmill still says these supplements are fluff and painting mostly.

Therefore, I conclude, Valve should announce Half Life 2: Episode 3.

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 pretre wrote:
 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
If this is true, and that each book costs the 50$ we're now seeing, the base retail price point to even play one of those armies has risen to, what... 180$. That's without a single mini bought yet.

Salt indeed.

$50 main codex
$50 Sublist codex
=$180???

What am I missing?


^Rulebook.

I really really hope this is all false. It's such a terrible way to go. It will only please a very small amount of players. There are A LOT of people who purchase all of the books (like me) who would stop buying them altogether. GW had tried this back in 3rd edition and the concept failed miserably.
   
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Oh, duh. My bad.

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Not only are people panicing over an early rumour, but now they are reading restrictions into it that have not been mentioned! Unbelievable.

If you can keep your head, while all about you are losing their's, then you have probably completely misunderstood the situation!

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Not only are people panicing over an early rumour, but now they are reading restrictions into it that have not been mentioned! Unbelievable.

Completely par for the course.

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Not only are people panicing over an early rumour, but now they are reading restrictions into it that have not been mentioned! Unbelievable.


It's basic cynic reasoning; when one expects the worst, at worst, one's expectations are met and dissapointment is avoided. If anything better occurs, one is pleasently surprised.

Unfortunately, GW has a tendency to somehow create scenarios worse then I envisage.

Therefore, I conclude, Valve should announce Half Life 2: Episode 3.

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 MajorStoffer wrote:
UltraPrime wrote:
Not only are people panicing over an early rumour, but now they are reading restrictions into it that have not been mentioned! Unbelievable.


It's basic cynic reasoning; when one expects the worst, at worst, one's expectations are met and dissapointment is avoided. If anything better occurs, one is pleasently surprised.

Unfortunately, GW has a tendency to somehow create scenarios worse then I envisage.


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Integration of FW in the codex.

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