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It is finished, not completed. Backers will understand the distinction.

 Alpharius wrote:
Most backers just want to forget this one even existed...

This. After the crap that I received with wave two, McVey gets no more of my money.

How much of the QC issues and material choices were McVeys fault and what were CMoN's fault?

Guess will never know beyond the "Trust me, I have an inside guy who knows" rumor.

Mike specifically apologized for the sculpting issues with the second wave (the sculptor for wave 1 wasn't available, the sculptors he hired for wave 2 were unused to the shrinkage with the material-IIRC they normally sculpt for resin).

Other than that, I believe CMoN was responsible for material choice, but unsure about that, and I'm pretty sure the sculptor choice is the only confirmed thing about the process.

 Piston Honda wrote:
How much of the QC issues and material choices were McVeys fault and what were CMoN's fault?

Guess will never know beyond the "Trust me, I have an inside guy who knows" rumor.

It doesn't really matter. McVey publicly stated that the change in style and scale for wave two was a deliberate design choice. So even if the casting had been perfect, the wave 2 minis were never going to be compatible with wave 1.

The whole mess has resulted in a big box of stuff that I was initially very excited about, that I now have absolutely no idea what to do with. The wave 2 stuff isn't good enough to be worth taking the time to paint, and it's killed my enthusiasm for doing anything with wave 1.

And it's a damn shame, because the game had such potential.

 Breotan wrote:
Is there anything left to fulfill with this kickstarter? Or is this one complete?

I promised I wouldn't mention the novel, so just the solo rules.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Mike specifically apologized for the sculpting issues with the second wave (the sculptor for wave 1 wasn't available, the sculptors he hired for wave 2 were unused to the shrinkage with the material-IIRC they normally sculpt for resin).

Other than that, I believe CMoN was responsible for material choice, but unsure about that, and I'm pretty sure the sculptor choice is the only confirmed thing about the process.

All the more reason I wish they played small ball.

They bit off more than they can chewed. I was worried about this in the comments of chat section and BGG all I was told was to STFU and was called a troll. There are some great aspects about sedwars but the negatives just outweigh the positives.

Sold almost all my stuff. Just have a few copies of the limited editions, dice and 2 boxes worth of minis without bases. Quite surprised the LEs sell fairly well (specifically the serenity crew). Almost made my money back.

Am I allowed to say I quite enjoyed the game, and a lot of the models were lovely..?

Although, I didn't pledge anything like the amount of some people so it could be that's why I wasn't effected by these things.

Painted the Vanguard up as modern British army troopers and now have an almost limitless supply of sci-fi zombies for use in other games also. Some of the large exo-suits were pretty cool as well..

 insaniak wrote:

It doesn't really matter. McVey publicly stated that the change in style and scale for wave two was a deliberate design choice. So even if the casting had been perfect, the wave 2 minis were never going to be compatible with wave 1.
The whole mess has resulted in a big box of stuff that I was initially very excited about, that I now have absolutely no idea what to do with. The wave 2 stuff isn't good enough to be worth taking the time to paint, and it's killed my enthusiasm for doing anything with wave 1.

And it's a damn shame, because the game had such potential.

I got a refund for most of my Wave 2 stuff. (A couple hundred bucks). I had to send them photos of the dismembered models, so I managed to get some pleasure out of Sedition Wars in the end.

At some stage I'll speedpaint the plague to use as Space Zombies of some kind. I may or may not use the Vanguard as somewhat generic sci-fitroopers. Though restic cleaning means that may well never happen. I'll probably never actually play Sedition Wars, though.

At least the bases and doors are nice.

I'm still amused by the "destroy your models for a refund" thing... never heard anything like it!

I'm still loving the two super-cheap firesale copies of the game I got, they have been awesome for Deadzone, have used the humans and sniper for Rebs, and am thinking of making use of the helmeted humans and drones as proxy Asterians until the faction is released.

With most of the minis being 1-2 piece, they're not that bad to clean as far as restic goes and there isn't any warping in my set, I've had some with 7-8 pieces from Mantic that were insane.

And in addition to that, I have a ready-made generic sci-fi plague zombie swarm, some nice character models, and some spare cards which I'll be re-purposing with sticky labels.

I did look through the rules, but they looked overcomplex and fiddly, more skirmish game than board game.

 insaniak wrote:
McVey publicly stated that the change in style and scale for wave two was a deliberate design choice. So even if the casting had been perfect, the wave 2 minis were never going to be compatible with wave 1.

In this light, it's going to be very interesting to see what scale the latest figures are - wave 1 or wave 2? When I receive the Tumult figure I just ordered, I'll post some pictures here of him alongside some Sedition Wars characters and other models so people can see which way the scale winds are blowing.

I know resin and "restic" have different shrinkage properties, but with that grain of salt recognized, the comparison may still be helpful.

Tumult is 36mm tall per the description he's bigger than a "human" sized model by design so he will be taller than the Samaritans the new miniatures have been designed with shrinkage taken into account so the resin versions will be a bit bigger than the later plastic ones.

The only picture I have for comparison for now is resin Grist and Gnosis troopers versus PVC Gnosis Kara ( note the resins have had no clean up and are held together with bluTac)



You can see there's allowance for shrinkage even rivets are oversized

And my solution to make Kara taller as I have all the rest in resin (you might notice I replaced the head with a spare one from the boxed game which has since been reposed to look in the direction she's firing and I've now replaced the sword blade with something a bit more substantial).

Nice save their Dave!

Looking good!

First, thanks, Dave, for the scale confirmation. Don't remember hearing that addressed.

 scarletsquig wrote:
I did look through the rules, but they looked overcomplex and fiddly, more skirmish game than board game.

I like the game a lot, but definitely agree with this: outside of the "board" part, there isn't a lot that makes it a board game compared to a regular minis game.

I feel like this is true of a lot of the newer generation of board games (which I'd argue began with FFG), where they're just too complex to be regular board games since they're half-way to RPGs or TTGs. I'm really looking forward to some new language in the gaming community, to describe these, since, while I've liked some of them, there are times when I've opened a "board game" and discovered it's a hybrid and been frustrated since I wanted something with quick rules, not just another type of game that happens to be on a grid.

The 4 new strain exo-forms have been put out for sale on the shop as a limited release.

Simply awesome! I bought the first release (Gnosis suits), and McVey's resins are still top notch. I placed an order for two of each of these - can't wait to get them in my hands. They remind me of a mix of bio-horror/zerg/tyranids.

I haven't gotten a chance to play the game yet, but I love the minis, especially the resins.

I wonder when he will be releasing the bounty hunters?

And the well-posed Strain figure without breasts (Retiarus) is already sold out.

Makes sense... it just ruins the visual effect of the Medusa model (for me, at least).

Miniaturemarket.com also has the main set on sale for $39.00. I picked one up yesterday, I love the look of the strain.

The open beta for the solo rules is now available

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sedition_wars/SW_solo_rules-open_beta_1.0.pdf

If you have any observations and/or feedback on them please post them on the SMV forum

http://studiomcvey.com/forums/index.php?/forum/59-solo-rules-discussion/

Thanks in advance.

Interesting, will give them a read. The original rules didn't really impress me as a 2-player game, but I may give it a go as 1-player, or see if they can be adapted to be co-op.

If those solo rules are decent, I may end up grabbing another one of those Miniature Market copies.

Not sure why either, since I have a perfectly viable copy already sitting at home. I know my daughter busted the tentacles off one of those bigger Strain models, so maybe that's the reason.

I still have to get that terrain pack one of these days.

I've seen a bit of interest in co-op play. Along with designer notes on solo play, I've put together some (unofficial) co-op rules based on them:
http://spiralingcadaver.blogspot.com/2014/06/flying-solo-sedition-wars-solo-play.html

I'm not sure if I could touch anything else with the Sedition Wars name, even if it's for material I already have.

I just ordered a third set from miniaturemarket.com. All three at the $39.00, which even with some war page is great considering you get the 50 bases and other things. Going to use the strain as chaos cultists for my iron warriors (rabble infected with the obliterated virus) and the bigger beasts as obliterators and maulers (demons bound into service of the iron warriors using technology to harness the warp power. Probably won't get other series models because of all the problems, but the bases are nice for necromunda and scifi bloodbowl as the color rings can be stunned/pinned or other notes.

Version 1.1 of the open beta is now up:

http://studiomcvey.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1739-solo-beta-updates/

So, when is the new game expansion coming out?

 AlexHolker wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yep- felt way closer to Manhattan than some Robin Williams toy thing(?).

That's The Bicentennial Man - a heartwarming story about conforming to the insecurities of bigots, even if it kills you.

Brilliant

4 new limited edition resin bounty dogs are up for sale:

 zedmeister wrote:
4 new limited edition resin bounty dogs are up for sale:

Most expensive DeadZone Stage 3 Plague figure I've seen.