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Boosting Space Marine Biker




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As the post says....I guess DA, BA, and SW will not get access to these new toys. While I don't mind most of them like Vanguard, Sternguard, and Centurions....I would like to know why no tanks or 'Grav" weapons :(

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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch




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If this is true the GW's us again. They don't even take us out for dinner first. I may have to resort to using vanilla marines as allies or use them as a primary with my DA as allies.

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Calm down, kids.

Dark Angels didn't get thunderfires or stormravens, either. Not too many people complaining about that. Want the new shinies? Play the new shiny book.

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Boosting Space Marine Biker




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Well, apparently the Dark Angels were one of the absolute worst Codex in 5th Ed. I wouldn't really know as I wasn't playing then....but, I will be pretty upset if we do end up being the 'shut up and color' kids again. I am by no means a WAAC player but I can already tell where we have huge gaps that other Codex Armies are filling quite nicely! We all thought our Vets would be more similar to Sternguard (Special Ammo) but that didn't happen....instead we got something in between the Vanguard and Sternguard....if that! Our new special units....LSV, Dark Talon, Jet Fighter, and DW Knights are near useless and the only good unit that came out of it were the Black Knights I wouldn't mind making an Allied Force for my DA's or making them the Allies but it would be nice to at least gain some of the options like the new weapons and the AA Tanks (as we have very little help from that department).

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But if there are so few good DA units as you say, wouldn't it be better to take sm as main army and ally in DA units like biker knights ?
   
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Boosting Space Marine Biker




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Yep...that is exactly what I'm doing with an Iyanden Eldar force. Quite a few new toys that are coming out have the 'Ignore Cover' special rule and that is the Ravenwing grace. Don't even get me started on DW.....
I would put Greenwing at a more competitive level then DW any day but combining the two is a whole new story!

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Osaka, Japan

Well you can join us CSM among the "exist only to be stomped" armies. And no, heldrake doesn't change anything

 
   
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Rough Rider with Boomstick





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Well, grav guns don't sound that special to me. With what we know of them at present I'm struggling to see what makes them better than plasma or melta.

Rules for the Centurions sound OK, but just OK. Again, I don't think they seem like an auto-take.

Agree with you on the tanks though.

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Boosting Space Marine Biker




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If we had a decent flyer or something else to deal with opponent flyers. I guess I'm going to have to get a SM ally detachment :/

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Angry Blood Angel Assault marine




Minot, ND

Well they may do another book like they did with flyers, effectively stealing Stormravens from BA and GK (who stole it from BA)

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But the strawman holocaust in Notts continues apace.
 
   
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Sweden

Come back when the new Vanilla Codex gets everything new from the DA Codex. That was the issue last time, but I'm not seeing Black Knights or Power Field Generators in the upcoming Vanilla Codex, so what's the problem?

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I don't get this. There has been some sort of revisionist history going on here (and other places) every time this topic comes up. They all just keep swearing that Fifth was assault oriented. Even assault armies were taking troops so they could get more razorbacks or rhinos or psyweapons. There is a reason Tyranids did poorly in this "assault" edition, and it has nothing to do with their assault units being bad in the context of Fifth.
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Norwich

I will do what I have always done, "hey, mind if I use this hunter in my dark angels?" opponent "sure".
Done

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Angry Blood Angel Assault marine




Minot, ND

Which is fine when you're playing a friendly game, however there are a lot of people who think in terms of what you can do at a tourny. I standby the statement that it's really to early to make any solid determinations. Did DA miss out on some cool toys? Maybe. But so did GK, SW, and BA. And BA is currently far worse off then DA. That's where allies come in, and again it is entirely possible (if unlikely) the new C:SM has rules that allow those other chapters access to the new units. (And why not, GW loves money)

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 azreal13 wrote:

But the strawman holocaust in Notts continues apace.
 
   
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Surely this is exactly what the allies rules are for. If there is a shiny or 2 that your force doesn't have access to, ally them in. To be honest it makes sense to use the normal marine codex for the standard DA troops and just use the DA codex for ravenwing or deathwing forces.

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Netherlands

I am still hoping they give us a 4-page pdf that allows us to take these units.
Otherwise I might just play C:SM and ally the BA-units I want to play.

The big "point" is that I would LOVE to play grav-guns.
I want to buy Centurions, Vanguard Veterans and the new tanks.
But what if, in a year or so, they decide not to include them in my 6th edition codex?
In that case I am stuck with models that have no use to me.

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Norwich

I agree imp, I think the codex will allow sw ba da to take maybe 0-1 of the new tanks and centurions

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Malik_Raynor wrote:
As the post says....I guess DA, BA, and SW will not get access to these new toys. While I don't mind most of them like Vanguard, Sternguard, and Centurions....I would like to know why no tanks or 'Grav" weapons :(

So you want all MEQ books rolled into one? Otherwise why would there be numerous books that have the same thing?
Or is it the case of: Others have something we don't? Preposterous! We have something they don't? As it should be, because we're special!

Besides, isn't it a little too early to complain about weapons we know nothing about?

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 Formosa wrote:
I agree imp, I think the codex will allow sw ba da to take maybe 0-1 of the new tanks and centurions


Why would they?
The same thing has happened before, and they didn't do it.
Were you playing during the Storm Shield Debacle?

Then there are Storm Talons, and Thunderfire cannons, all things in C:SM that have not propagated across to other codecies.
Outside of using the Allies system, I'd be very surprised to see any of the new stuff getting moved across via PDF.

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 marv335 wrote:
Why would they?
The same thing has happened before, and they didn't do it.
Were you playing during the Storm Shield Debacle?

Why? Because they earn more money

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I happen to find this hilarious. For years I've been told that my vanilla codex is old so I should use SW/BA/DA codex for all the cool toys. Now who's got the new shinies?!

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Been playing for 25 years kang, so yeah lol, I have seen so many armies steal so much of others and then flip around again it's not even funny

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Angry Blood Angel Assault marine




Minot, ND

It does make sense for certain chapters to be left out from specific items that they may not have access to. SW might not have grav guns because they are considered dishonorable, while BA don't have Centurions because it doesn't fit their rapid insertion style of combat. What I don't like is when specific items from certain chapters become generic. Nobody outside of GK and BA should have Stormravens, just like BT should be the only chapter with EC. We'll see what else gets stolen for SM.

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 azreal13 wrote:

But the strawman holocaust in Notts continues apace.
 
   
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Boosting Space Marine Biker




United Kingdom

I agree and disagree with everyone's comments. Like I said, I'm fairly new to the hobby....been playing a little over a year! So when I finally see the new C:SM come down the pipes....to me it seems that almost all Space Marine Chapters should have access to all Armour/Equipment in the Imperium inventory that they see worthy for a SM to carry into battle. To me the Space Marine Codex....is the codex that puts all of the other SM Chapters in it that didn't have enough history???? Maybe I'm wrong (not trying to upset anyone)! I suppose it's a matter of me not knowing or understanding the lore behind each and every chapter. I have only really read and played with Dark Angels so I guess that is all the argument I really can make :/

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 Macok wrote:
Malik_Raynor wrote:
As the post says....I guess DA, BA, and SW will not get access to these new toys. While I don't mind most of them like Vanguard, Sternguard, and Centurions....I would like to know why no tanks or 'Grav" weapons :(

So you want all MEQ books rolled into one? Otherwise why would there be numerous books that have the same thing?
Or is it the case of: Others have something we don't? Preposterous! We have something they don't? As it should be, because we're special!

Besides, isn't it a little too early to complain about weapons we know nothing about?

Aside from the whole idea of complaining before the book is even out...

Seriously - this is what happens when you have your own book. Different codexes are different and since I would bet its some of the same people that refused the idea that being rolled into one codex was a good idea that all want to share in the C:SM toys...

Wake up. New codex means new toys.

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 Formosa wrote:
I agree imp, I think the codex will allow sw ba da to take maybe 0-1 of the new tanks and centurions

You could always houserule the stuff Let's take Blood Angels as an example:
Centurion => Add 20 points and give them Red Thirst.
AA-tank => Make them fast and add 25 points.

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I think GW might have been smarter to make the SM codex first and then released BA/BT/DA/SW etc as mini-codexes containing just the special rules, war gear and units applicable to those specific armies.

I'm calling it a mini-codex rather than a supplement as the supplements thus far seem to lack in new/unique units which these armies require.

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Minot, ND

DA will be a long while before they get a new codex.

War is not a matter of who is right, it is a matter of who is left.

It’s all fun and games until someone loses an eye. Then it’s fun and games without depth perception. - TSOALR

 azreal13 wrote:

But the strawman holocaust in Notts continues apace.
 
   
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Imperial Deceit wrote:
Which is fine when you're playing a friendly game, however there are a lot of people who think in terms of what you can do at a tourny. I standby the statement that it's really to early to make any solid determinations. Did DA miss out on some cool toys? Maybe. But so did GK, SW, and BA. And BA is currently far worse off then DA. That's where allies come in, and again it is entirely possible (if unlikely) the new C:SM has rules that allow those other chapters access to the new units. (And why not, GW loves money)


and CSM still cannot get whirlwinds or decent landraiders

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 beigeknight wrote:
I happen to find this hilarious. For years I've been told that my vanilla codex is old so I should use SW/BA/DA codex for all the cool toys. Now who's got the new shinies?!


I don't think anyone ever told anyone to use the DA dex instead of the marine one for anything other then a terminator army and even that was done better with Grey Knights. I think the problem DA players have is that they got a new codex at the start of an edition, as always.Are getting owned by units that came out before their own codex, as always and have no anwsers to the mechanics offten used in a new edition.Again as always.But the realy strange thing for me is were they and the chaos players expecting anything else
   
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I dont play SM, nor do I hope to play them, but I am hoping they are horribly broken. Because, in the eternal words of Matt Ward:
"It would be a shame if they weren't"

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