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Is it me or do those notshabti bases look rectangular? Something like 40x55 or so?

 Bolognesus wrote:
Is it me or do those notshabti bases look rectangular? Something like 40x55 or so?

Might just be perspective, the models are positioned much closer to the back of the base than the front.

Pic looks good at first, but then you realise that you can't really "see" the models with that paint. Like Michael Bay's Transformers.

Some of those mummies remind me of the original Hero Quest ones.

GMM Studios put up more photos of the Empire of Dust army.

https://www.facebook.com/GMMStudios/photos/?tab=album&album_id=540077732851603

GMM does some seriously ace work.. and if the studio wanted that scheme, he delivered in spades.

Well my wife ordered Lord Sautekh's Glorious Host, which was priced at USD$250 but if you order in £'s it comes to about $206 shipped Yay Brexit!

The new Empire of Dust stuff looks good, but some pricing is now a little wacky. Why is it almost twice as much per Skeleton Archer for Mantic's Undead ones vs their Empire of Dust ones?

^^ Regular skellingtons come on a sprue and cost X, Dusty skellingtons are the same sprues plus metal conversion bits for each one, only stands to reason they'd cost more. Whether that justifies double or not I can't really say.

Army Painter have a new deal and product in partnership with Mantic



http://admin.thearmypainter.com/files/downloads/KoW_PressRelease.pdf

They said the boxes are going to be the same price as their Zombicide boxes, so $29.99 USD RRP. More armies are planned to follow if the first four sell, and I think they also should be looking at copying the smaller 4 paint boxes from Zombicide, but including one of the metal heroes they spin in house for a first painting project.

Undead archers are also metal hybrids and cost double what EoD archers cost.

Yeah, 10 "normal" skeleton archers for 29.99 or 20 EoD skeleton archers for 34.99. Hopefully they'll repackage the "normal" skeleton archers into boxes of 20 at the same price as EoD archers.

 NTRabbit wrote:
^^ Regular skellingtons come on a sprue and cost X, Dusty skellingtons are the same sprues plus metal conversion bits for each one, only stands to reason they'd cost more. Whether that justifies double or not I can't really say.

For Example, Undead Archer Troop cist 17.99 (10 Plastic/Metal Models), EoD Archer Regiment cost 19.99 (20 Plastic/Metal models)
Skeleton Regiments cost both 19.99 (undead and EoD)

I am glad that the EoD Minis are the same price, but it is strange that the old Archers are more expensive

Do the new paint sets come with figures though?

I *LOVED* that about the old army painter/ mantic paint sets. A few paints, a few figures, a brush that would crap out on you eventually, all for a very relatively reasonable price.

Not that I needed anything in the box, but I loved getting those boxes. Still use them for transporting/ storing stuff.

I hate to take advantage... but Brexit'ing the purchase is definitely the way to go. Picked up some stuff to fill-out my Tomb Kings for AoS, and paying in pounds saved me about 25% over their US prices, even shipped.

Oh well, i'll take the karma hit since that same Brexit financial bust cost me 7% of most of my mutual funds, and other investments... *sigh*.

Your are not saving anything in EU, the euro price on the website fit the actual (very good) exchange rate

Yeah, I'm not complaining about metal/plastic hybrid skeletons being more expensive than plastic ones, I'm questioning that one set of hybrid skeletons is about twice as expensive per figure than than another hybrid set.

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/undead/product/undead-skeleton-archers-10-figures.html

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/empire-of-dust/product/empire-of-dust-skeleton-archer-regiment.html

Sorry, I misunderstood!

Plastic movement trays / Unitbases up for pre-order

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/new/kings-of-war/product/kings-of-war-small-movement-tray-pack.html
http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/new/kings-of-war/product/kings-of-war-large-movement-tray-pack.html

4 horde sized trays (10x4 20mm or 25mm square bases respectively for 200mm x 80mm or 250mm x 100mm) for £10 feels like a pretty competitive price.

Rather neat design too with one side being flat (but a little textured) for permanent unitbasing, and the other, if I understand correctly, having small walls allowing to use as moving trays for intividually based models. The trays can be broken off into two or four smaller trays.



There is one problem I see with the double sided design though. Either the numbers we're given is for the outer measurement of the tray, which would mean that you can't fit 10x4 individual bases on the trays. Or the measurements given is for the inner measurements of the trays, meaning that if you use the flat side to multibase a unit, it will be slightly larger than what the KoW rules actually specify.

It's not like anyone really care if your bases are slightly larger so I suppose the better option would be the second one. Having the bases be too small would make them pretty much unusable as moving trays and would cause many a customer to be very disappointed with their purchase.

They are slightly larger than the actual rules specify.

That's normal for unit trays anyway, and noted in many wargame rulesets including the KoW rulebook (p206)

 Azazelx wrote:
That's normal for unit trays anyway, and noted in many wargame rulesets including the KoW rulebook (p206)

Unit trays are necessarily a bit larger than the bases placed in them, and you can either count the lip as part of the unit's footprint or ignore it (as referenced on the aforementioned p. 206)

There is a difference though when a multibase is too large since you don't have the option to ignore the extra size.

Like I said, it's not a huge problem by any measure (or perhaps not a problem at all), but it does feel a bit weird to have a company sell bases that by the strict letter of their own rules (which I admittedly expect no-one to follow in a draconian fashion in this situation) are not allowed to be used for their expressed purpose. (only Heroes, Monsters and War machines are allowed to be mounted on larger bases than what their entry designate).

I think you're overdoing it - as I said and you've acknowledged - page 206 covers it.

You can cut off the lip if you want.

 Azazelx wrote:
I think you're overdoing it - as I said and you've acknowledged - page 206 covers it.

To be nitpicky, page 206 does not cover this situation, since that deals with individual bases in moving trays, where you can choose to count the tray as part of the unit footprint or not. This (if you choose to use that side of the bases) is a unitbase that's a bit too large and you have no choice in counting the mm's added by the lip or not.

It's similar to (but even less problematic than) someone using 3 Juggenaughts on 50x75mm bases as a large cavalry regiment, which by the rules should have a footprint of 150x50mm , and not 150x75mm

 lord_blackfang wrote:
You can cut off the lip if you want.

True, but then It would be a lot less work to just get plain plasticard and cut to the correct size.

Well, to put it another way, I don't see it as an issue and apparently nor does Mantic. You're welcome to be concerned about it, though I think you're going to be in a very small group of people there.

 Azazelx wrote:
Well, to put it another way, I don't see it as an issue and apparently nor does Mantic. You're welcome to be concerned about it, though I think you're going to be in a very small group of people there.

I might have given off the impression. I'm not really concerned or see it as an issue. I'll quite happily use these as (slightly too large) unit-bases.

Then again, I wouldn't have a problem with someone using large cavalry models they've based on 75mm deep bases, but I've seen discussions where people have opposed that. And to be frank, it is against the letter of the rules to have too large bases outside where it's specifically allowed.

Since there isn't really any advantage to be gained though, I don't foresee it being a problem.

Mantic has always been ok with the footprint erring on the side of large, because its almost always to the detriment of the person using larger bases. Yes it buffs inspiring, but more often than not it just makes you much easier to get flank-charged.

Given the amount of freedom to creating army lists and the rulebook promoting imaginative modelling, I think the base footprint guidelines are more strictly for tournament play where things are more restrictive. As for casual play, who would honestly care if an impressive monster miniature could never squeeze onto a 50mm base.


On a different note, is there any rumblings on what is on the horizon for KoW beyond the army list supplement? Or is the kickstarters for Deadzone/Warpath and Walking Dead gonna hog the rest of the year.

 ShireGuy wrote:

On a different note, is there any rumblings on what is on the horizon for KoW beyond the army list supplement? Or is the kickstarters for Deadzone/Warpath and Walking Dead gonna hog the rest of the year.

Speculation: Well, Deadzone is finished and things will be leaking out at retail. Warpath looks like they've done 'enough' to warrant finalising it all despite a lot of apprehension on backers' behalf on Firefight. It seemed a lot of Walking Dead was done before they got the license.
Dreadball KS is live now.

I hope Mantic spend the rest of this year making some non-KS figures for KoW to surprise us with. AoS seems to be finally catching on now and KoW needs a boost again to keep it at bay. I also hope that even if Warpath is done, the Firefight rules are worked on enough to get a fab game - even if it comes out late with the GCPS models.

 NTRabbit wrote:
^^ Regular skellingtons come on a sprue and cost X, Dusty skellingtons are the same sprues plus metal conversion bits for each one, only stands to reason they'd cost more. Whether that justifies double or not I can't really say.
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Found the undead stuff Mantic do to be the best (the rest of the KoW stuff like the elven and dwarf infantry is quite mediocre imo) in terms of how they all look based up in large blocks of infantry although they tend to be a little skinny and tall for my liking. Not sure the mixing and matching of plastic and metal bits for infantry troops really appeals to me to be honest. Some of the Empire of Dust stuff does look lovely with that paint job and in large units but would want to see some decent close ups of the individual models before being convinced.