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 rayphoton wrote:
Still...with companies like hassle free making some fantastic "adult" barbarians....i just cant see one guy at a public library hitting up every computer to sway a vote.

Maybe its just me though......


You don't need to do that. There is a variety of ways to bypass 1-per-IP limitations. Some people have dynamically allocated IP addresses meaning all they need to do is to unplug and plug back in to get a different one. There's various proxies you can use to re-route the traffic or you can just spoof the IP address.

4chan has been known to rig internet polls for years now. While it doesn't seem like they are involved in this particular poll, it could be some other forum/community that's doing it.

42nd Cadian Infantry Regiment - 4605 pts.
Sven Bloodhowl's Great Company - 7033 pts.
Elements of Dark Angels 2nd and 3rd Companies - 1155 pts.
The Last Hatred Kabal - 3005 pts.
Eldar Slaves - 630 pts. 
   
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 Taarnak wrote:

#1 is just plain bad. She looks like she's just tripped on a rock.
#2 could use some tweaking but is hardly silly. Not at all sure what anyone finds silly about her.
#3 is ok. Not great, not terrible.
#4 needs to have the way she is holding the weapon adjusted. Right now I'd say she's pretty silly. But still not as bad as #1...
#5 is fine as is really.

~Eric


You seem to have misunderstood, we were talking chain mail, not poses.


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 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Actually for us it's the same no matter what people choose most, it's that we are doing some market research and things turned out very interesting initially -we were almost sure what people were asking for according to the first results-, instead the way things are progressing now it's more confusing than resolving... :-/


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I wonder where all the votes for revealing came from.


That makes two of us, but there is no way of telling where each vote comes from.
The only thing that wedgies certifies (and the main reason we prefer using it for our polls) is limit a single vote to each IP address, therefore these are 300+ genuine people voting, and not a couple of people casting multiple votes...


There are ways around "IP checks", you know. Some are really simple. Voting from multiple devices. Some people have dynamic IPs. Hell, I bet you could just clear the cache on your device and find you'll be able to vote again (might want to check that one especially). And if that is possible, I think the "real" winner will be the obvious one.

I don't want to clear the cache on my PC here, but I'll go try voting and clearing and revoting on a different computer.


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Went to browser, cleared my cookies. Voted twice. Easy Peasy.

I guess we know the answer to the sudden surge in that case. One person could rig with 100 votes in 30 minutes. Try it, Shieldwolf guys.

Wedgies doesn't track/block IPs. It just throws a cookie on your computer that you can remove in seconds. I voted originally on my main PC, but went to the spare one and voted again (the two computers boxes are located 15cm apart) and THEN I cleared the cookies on the second PC and voted again on it less than 1 minute later. So that's three from my static IP. No need for 4chan or any kind of organised rigging. Just need 1 guy who is really sadly desperate for wargame models of topless models.


 Haljin wrote:

4chan has been known to rig internet polls for years now. While it doesn't seem like they are involved in this particular poll, it could be some other forum/community that's doing it.


Or one guy and an hour of nothing better to do - there aren't that many votes, and waiting until the end of the poll makes it easier since legit people will have already cast theirs across all four options, and legit people tend not to cheat too much. There were a couple of reeeeeeally vocal people in the KS who kept going on in the comments with pretty much "tits or GTFO" comments. I could easily see one of them being ...motivated enough in this case. Especially the guy who vocally pulled his pledge at the last minute.

While it's tempting to "redress the balance", I'm not going to do that. I'm just not going to buy topless barbarians since it's obvious what has suddenly happened.

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Well, that's both surprising... and dissapointing! Why on Earth rig the results for something some people may not pledge for? :-/
It would only cause us to sculpt 3ups that will not be funded in the end since people wouldn't really support/want that version, thus the kit would not be happening anyway!

We were like "wtf"...? :-/
...

   
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I'll go with "Because people are selfish and stupid."

   
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Men do stupid, cruel things for boobs?

   
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Melbourne .au

Even tiny plastic ones. Apparently.

   
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I noticed there was a substantial lead of chainmail, before the boobs came ahead.

Not sure how much tooling is but could it be worth it to have two torsos on one sprue?

I have no interested in half naked barbarian women, but I do have interest in a full army of armored female warriors.
   
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Yeah, I would not trust the poll results alone honestly... ask people their opinions. I've even voted a few times in the poll lol
   
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 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Well, that's both surprising... and dissapointing! Why on Earth rig the results for something some people may not pledge for? :-/
It would only cause us to sculpt 3ups that will not be funded in the end since people wouldn't really support/want that version, thus the kit would not be happening anyway!

We were like "wtf"...? :-/
...


The answer will be in the data. If, over the course of a day, most of the votes for the topless model suddenly appeared way out of proportion to all previous days of data collection, it means someone is most likely rigging it.

If, on the other hand, it steadily increases over several days, it means there's either someone far more clever doing it, or people *gasp* do actually want topless models. *ba-dum tish*


 
   
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 Ketara wrote:
 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Well, that's both surprising... and dissapointing! Why on Earth rig the results for something some people may not pledge for? :-/
It would only cause us to sculpt 3ups that will not be funded in the end since people wouldn't really support/want that version, thus the kit would not be happening anyway!

We were like "wtf"...? :-/
...


The answer will be in the data. If, over the course of a day, most of the votes for the topless model suddenly appeared way out of proportion to all previous days of data collection, it means someone is most likely rigging it.

If, on the other hand, it steadily increases over several days, it means there's either someone far more clever doing it, or people *gasp* do actually want topless models. *ba-dum tish*


We have our guilty party here
   
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If it is reasonable to do, a separate expansion or add on sprue of topless versions might not be bad. Just a sprue of 10 or whatever topless versions might net the folks who want them, and allow for mix and match, or different unit types or something. As I write this, I am shocked to realize that I don't know of any companies that make a topless female torso that would go with any of the various historical or fantasy kits. I suppose Kingdom Death will have something along those lines, but it seems really surprising, so much so that I must be mistaken, right?

At this point though, I think Ketara is right: just check the vote patterns, and if many of one fall within like 8 hours of each other, throw them out.


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 primalexile wrote:
I noticed there was a substantial lead of chainmail, before the boobs came ahead.

Not sure how much tooling is but could it be worth it to have two torsos on one sprue?

I have no interested in half naked barbarian women, but I do have interest in a full army of armored female warriors.


The idea is to have
10-12 different heads
6 left arms
6 rights arms
5-6 shields
and
4 legs+torsos.

These 4 legs+torsos (single piece) can have a different version (e.g. unarmored), while all the pieces mentioned above fit both kits. If you take a look at our picture, heads/arms/weapon/shield remain the same. The only thing we change is leg+torso and voila', we have a completely different version. (That's also why the backer who suggested a helmeted version on the previous page cannot be accomodated, it would not fit the "unarmored" version).



The Command sprue will also fit nicely both types, we have already designed all 4 versions of it -and how it would look- but that too is a SG in order to make the kit fund easier.

The way we see it -and judging from the results we had till April 18th-, the chainmail version will be the first to be sculpted, after which we will opt for an unarmored version as a SG. We are also expecting the response from our Law firm about the additional implications the non-censored version might have on the kit. I don't mean to sound stupid or anything, but it's a lot of money and we mean to take a very close and careful look at what may cause us trouble in the future...

   
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 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
The only thing we change is leg+torso and voila', we have a completely different version. (That's also why the backer who suggested a helmeted version on the previous page cannot be accomodated, it would not fit the "unarmored" version).

If the Shieldmaidens get two kits, they should be two different kits - an armoured kit that does the armoured shieldmaiden look properly, and an unarmoured kit that does the unarmoured shieldmaiden look properly. Making a plastic sprue costs tens of thousands of dollars and gives you an asset that can last for decades. Why would you start cutting corners on the design side?

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I received my KS rewards a couple of days ago. I'm very happy that I pledged, and impressed that they got everything out so quickly. The resins are very detailed and well cast. The plastic orcs are also a really great kit.

Shieldmaidens aren't my type of fantasy, but if I were to ever buy some, the only ones that might halfway tempt me would be the chainmail ones. I think part of the problem is that Shieldwolf really wants to make fantasy barbarian women, not Lagertha style fantasy female vikings. Shieldwolf wants there to be some skin showing on the models, but I worry that if they try to please everyone, they will end up not to anyone's liking.

That being said, I think that people who are really enthusiastic about and would buy the boob versions, would also likely buy the chainmail versions, but that people who are really enthusiastic about the chainmail versions, likely wouldn't buy the boob versions.
   
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@AlexHolker
We know Alex, we've already made one, lol! ;-)
Hardly calling it "cutting corners", we've already shown additional stretch goals for the war maiden heads etc, we want to take this reasonably and make sure we fund it, we are pouring half of the money needed in order to bring this to life anyway.

Are you saying that even if we do not unlock the additional heads and weaponry and we only unlock the torsos+legs (which FYI would cost a lot too) the models would not differentiate? I mean differentiate enough? In that case we will again agree to disagree :-)

@Gallahad
Glad they arrived safely and that you like them! :-D
Chainmail is 99% the models we will go for, I'll agree we cannot please everyone, that's why we made the poll. We are opting that the new votes are somehow 'false' and thus disregard them. Making a dual kit is a great idea and we only know of one company doing it. Oh, it's also the largest :-)

   
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 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
@AlexHolker
We know Alex, we've already made one, lol! ;-)
Hardly calling it "cutting corners", we've already shown additional stretch goals for the war maiden heads etc, we want to take this reasonably and make sure we fund it, we are pouring half of the money needed in order to bring this to life anyway.

Are you saying that even if we do not unlock the additional heads and weaponry and we only unlock the torsos+legs (which FYI would cost a lot too) the models would not differentiate? I mean differentiate enough? In that case we will again agree to disagree :-)

Yes, I'm saying that a chainmail dress with bare arms and bare legs is too close to the unarmoured versions to serve a unique role. To put it in WHFB terms I'd much rather have two kits, one for 6+ save shield&no armour, and one for 4+ save shield&heavy armour, than one for 6+ save shield&no armour and one for 5+ save shield&light armour.

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Alex. While your logic is sound on one level, you're conveniently ignoring the fact that the chainmail/Lagertha figures were the top-voted ones, and that SW need people to actually vote with their dollars. (and plate was not exactly the front-runner there).

I'd rather have properly-armoured, realistic chainmail than sleeveless vests and chain skirt with hot barbarian girl legs, but I'll still happily take it.

   
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 Azazelx wrote:
Alex. While your logic is sound on one level, you're conveniently ignoring the fact that the chainmail/Lagertha figures were the top-voted ones, and that SW need people to actually vote with their dollars. (and plate was not exactly the front-runner there).

I am ignoring that the chainmail option won the vote because heavy armour wasn't even on the ballot. Option #3 is no more heavy armour than #1 is - neither option has any protection for the head, half the arms or half the legs.

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I guess that means that Shieldwolf plan to make figures that they want to, with some degree of variation and influence from us - rather than designing by committee.

   
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Side question: are the heads going to be on a different sprue that we could buy separately? Those would be great for a wide variety of model types and conversions.


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 Azazelx wrote:
I guess that means that Shieldwolf plan to make figures that they want to, with some degree of variation and influence from us - rather than designing by committee.


*nodding head* Gallahad nailed it best, we are looking into assigning a fantasy aspect and not "fantasy/history". Rules wise these are +3 armor and shields in our game are played differently from WHFB and KoW, but that's a very different story, we are doing a huge effort to complete the 1.a draft version of our game before June (thanks to the fact we have temporarily put aside a great number of races which made the development take so many years, this is still material we will use in the future but it caused us great delay and we mean to make this available soon).

 Wehrkind wrote:
Side question: are the heads going to be on a different sprue that we could buy separately? Those would be great for a wide variety of model types and conversions.


We have been messaged about this in our info mail, which I guess it means more than one person is interested. We were thinking of being able to cut out a half sprue for our "bitz" section which would include the heads and shields alone. We have discussed some things with Renedra but if we don't actually have 3ups to see how the final tooling gets planned (in real life terms and not hypothesis), it's more like a guess about "splitting" in a half sprue that we can give you and not a precise and responsible answer. It is seriously in our thoughts however, yes.
Regardless, we are aiming with our future sprue layouts to allow as many bits left as possible (without altering their RRP however).
We are waiting for next weekend to arrive -and with Salute over our backs- so we can make some final decisions and get things rolling a tad faster...

   
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Cool, thanks for the info!


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 Wehrkind wrote:
 Taarnak wrote:

#1 is just plain bad. She looks like she's just tripped on a rock.
#2 could use some tweaking but is hardly silly. Not at all sure what anyone finds silly about her.
#3 is ok. Not great, not terrible.
#4 needs to have the way she is holding the weapon adjusted. Right now I'd say she's pretty silly. But still not as bad as #1...
#5 is fine as is really.

~Eric


You seem to have misunderstood, we were talking chain mail, not poses.


You may have been talking chainmail, but Shieldwolf wasn't. At least not when they posted what I quoted.

I haven't been following the discussion too closely, true. But I chimed in because, in my opinion, poses are some of the most gotten-wrong things in our hobby. Too many creators have no idea how humans move, and too many consumers just accept whatever is doled out in the name of "dynamism".

~Eric

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Another vote for chain mail



 
   
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Chain mail ftw... it would really set you apart, too.

So many games, so little time.

So many models, even less time.

Screw it, Netflix and chill. 
   
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 Azazelx wrote:
I'd rather have properly-armoured, realistic chainmail than sleeveless vests and chain skirt with hot barbarian girl legs, but I'll still happily take it.

I think this sentiment is worth noting: not only which version is favored, but which versions are acceptable.

The chainmail version is my favorite, and would definitely buy some.
I like the unarmored version less, but would still get some.
I would probably still buy a box of the plate armor.

I will not buy the bare chested ones at all.

Do the 'revealing' fans feel the same way? I mean, are there lots of fans of viking babes that will just outright refuse to buy them if they don't have their tits out? I would guess the answer is no, but what the hell do I know...

- H8
   
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Hatemonger wrote:
 Azazelx wrote:
I'd rather have properly-armoured, realistic chainmail than sleeveless vests and chain skirt with hot barbarian girl legs, but I'll still happily take it.

I think this sentiment is worth noting: not only which version is favored, but which versions are acceptable.

The chainmail version is my favorite, and would definitely buy some.
I like the unarmored version less, but would still get some.
I would probably still buy a box of the plate armor.

I will not buy the bare chested ones at all.

Do the 'revealing' fans feel the same way? I mean, are there lots of fans of viking babes that will just outright refuse to buy them if they don't have their tits out? I would guess the answer is no, but what the hell do I know...

- H8


I'm in the same boat as you except I'd rather have the plate slightly more than the unarmored.
   
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Hatemonger wrote:
Do the 'revealing' fans feel the same way? I mean, are there lots of fans of viking babes that will just outright refuse to buy them if they don't have their tits out? I would guess the answer is no, but what the hell do I know...

I would not buy the chainmail ones. I dislike the look of the chainmail skirt and they are neither heavily armoured enough nor lightly armoured enough to serve as Chaos Warriors or Chaos Marauders. I'd buy either of the least armoured ones or a kit with a mix of the two, especially if they got rid of the headband that everyone seems to insist on putting on these sorts of models. The plate mail option looks okay, but I'd much rather have a proper heavy armour kit that could be used as Chaos Warriors.

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 AlexHolker wrote:

I would not buy the chainmail ones. I dislike the look of the chainmail skirt and they are neither heavily armoured enough nor lightly armoured enough to serve as Chaos Warriors or Chaos Marauders.


You could always just paint the chainmail as if it were plaid. Smoothing out textures like that is easy.

So many games, so little time.

So many models, even less time.

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