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It's meant to be Relic Armor, so it says the armor value.

Not sure why that's a big mystery

 obsidiankatana wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Requizen wrote:

rhavien wrote:
Relics:
Anzions Pseudogenerator - add D6 meleeattacks S4 DS5 melee, shred
Garment? of the technomartyr
2+ armoursave and the guy PLUS his unit get the cognis rule for their weapons

That last one seems useless. Dominus and Datapriests are the only characters and they already have a 2+. Maybe it's supposed to be a relic for combined AdMech that showed up here for some reason?

Or it's for a Datapriest or Dominus in the Kastelan formation, granting Cognis to all their Heavy Phospher Blasters?

The 2+ is still odd to include. Both models already have that, and are theoretically the only ones capable of taking it.

My thoughts exactly. As I said, it seems like the sort of relic that might be in the combined book, allowing you to give a 2+ to one of your Skitarii Alphas.

In here, Cognis is great. Add it to Grav Destroyers for even more withering Overwatch, or a pseudo anti-air unit. Scary stuff, man

Haven't had a straight answer to this, possibly as I am late to the news, but what is the difference between the Cult Mechanicus and the Skiitari? I mean in game, not fluff wise.

 Ahtman wrote:
Haven't had a straight answer to this, possibly as I am late to the news, but what is the difference between the Cult Mechanicus and the Skiitari? I mean in game, not fluff wise.

Two different books / factions? Different units, etc.

 Ahtman wrote:
Haven't had a straight answer to this, possibly as I am late to the news, but what is the difference between the Cult Mechanicus and the Skiitari? I mean in game, not fluff wise.

They're two separate codices. Skitarii has vehicles as lighter infantry, Cult Mechanicus has heavy infantry and MCs (and the Priests, but we don't talk about them). They're functionally two separate armies that happen to be the same organization.

Requizen wrote:
They're two separate codices.

Requizen wrote:
They're functionally two separate armies that happen to be the same organization.

Well yeah, which is why I asked what the differences were. I don't want to spend $100 to know the mechanical differences.

Requizen wrote:
Skitarii has vehicles as lighter infantry, Cult Mechanicus has heavy infantry and MCs (and the Priests, but we don't talk about them).

That is more what I was looking for.

The codices are $33 each, just so y'know.

 Ahtman wrote:

Requizen wrote:
They're two separate codices.

Requizen wrote:
They're functionally two separate armies that happen to be the same organization.

Well yeah, which is why I asked what the differences were. I don't want to spend $100 to know the mechanical differences.

Requizen wrote:
Skitarii has vehicles as lighter infantry, Cult Mechanicus has heavy infantry and MCs (and the Priests, but we don't talk about them).

That is more what I was looking for.

Skitarii have a lot of special weapons. You have 3 shot Plasmas, you have Haywire guns, you have Snipers. Cult is mostly heavy weaponry. If you like lines of infantry with cool guns, go Skitarii. Mechanicus is mostly for big dudes that are expensive but tough and have big powerful guns. Skitarii has vehicles, including the Onager which is an amazing weapons platform.

For Assault, Skitarii wins out imo. Ruststalkers and Infiltrators aren't perfect, but they're leagues better than Electro-Priests imo. That may change when people start putting Priests in Pods or vehicles, but as of now, I can't see a reason to take them.

Skitarii doesn't have an HQ. Cult has the Dominus, which is a kick-ass dude in 2+/5++ with good shooting and the ability to heal CM units or vehicles.

Ideally they're played together, but that's the difference.

Before these books came out there were rumours that a full codex for ad mech would follow. Is that still the thought? Will all these units come in one codex together soon?

 monkeypuzzle wrote:
Before these books came out there were rumours that a full codex for ad mech would follow. Is that still the thought? Will all these units come in one codex together soon?

Not that we are aware of.

 monkeypuzzle wrote:
Before these books came out there were rumours that a full codex for ad mech would follow. Is that still the thought? Will all these units come in one codex together soon?

Rumor at this point. It would stand to reason... but don't hold your breath. If you want to use the models, get one or both of these codices. It might be later this year, it might not be for another year, it might not be until next edition. These are only $33, so why wait?

They are also a pretty good value at $33 -- with any sort of discount, it's in the high 20's, which is decent for a hardcover with content.

Of course, if you're not going to start a mechanics army, you might as well wait. For all we know, there could be a new book sooner rather than later.

 Enigwolf wrote:
I'll grab pics of those pages when I get my 'dex. In the mean time, here's the Tech-Priest Dominus like I said. All the joints are really small and fiddly, so magnetizing this is going to be a complete pain in the ass if you want every weapon option on it. Also, there's a lot of small, easily-broken bits when you're removing mould lines (of which there are thankfully few). Lastly, it doesn't sit flush against the base (very few points of contact), meaning you're going to have a hard time gluing it down since its hollow in the center unless you a) build up the base to properly support it, b) dangle the claws off the edge of the base so you have more contact surfaces, or c) pin it.

Other than that, the model is completely sick, and the level of detail on it is amazing. It's probably one of my favorite HQ models of all time.

I want one but idk if I wanna pay 36$ for this. Everything else is priced really good though

Wilson wrote:

Elimination maniple and special issue wargear sil vous plait!

Pts cost of said special wargear as well please :]

Requizen wrote:Oh yeah, can multiple Canticles be used at once? It would add more of a dynamic if you had to decide whether to give yourself Shrouding, or rerolls to hit, or both, or neither and save it for later.

Leth wrote:Any chance we. Could get the relics and the points costs?

Mainly interested in the cost of the cognis relic

Ask and ye' shall receive!







I forgot a picture of the Elimination Maniple - my bad. By the way, the Cohort Cybernetica counts as THREE units for Canticles, and gives 3 KPs when killed, but function as one unit on the table. You can only have one canticle active at a time, and don't include falling back units.

I was beginning to wonder if Skitarii is to Cult Mechanicus as Scions are to Astra Militarum.

As an aside, funny they name that unit the Onager and historically the weapon was this:

If they manage to mix in IK's as well you can see a strange three army hybrid.
Well, all that red will look stylish.

 Talizvar wrote:
I was beginning to wonder if Skitarii is to Cult Mechanicus as Scions are to Astra Militarum.

As an aside, funny they name that unit the Onager and historically the weapon was this:

If they manage to mix in IK's as well you can see a strange three army hybrid.
Well, all that red will look stylish.

Doesn't seem strange at all to me. Quite the opposite - very fluffy in fact.

 Enigwolf wrote:

I forgot a picture of the Elimination Maniple - my bad. By the way, the Cohort Cybernetica counts as THREE units for Canticles, and gives 3 KPs when killed, but function as one unit on the table. You can only have one canticle active at a time, and don't include falling back units.

Molto bene! And thanks!

By the way, not sure if anyone else saw the additional bit of the Scryerskull relic. It's not just revealing Mysterious Objectives, but also allowing you to nominate a vehicle to get rerolls to pen it by other units shooting at it.

Furthermore, unfortunately, Canticles aren't the most precisely written rules... It states that it affects all friendly units with that rule - how would this work in multi-player teams with multiple CM forces on each army?

Aside from the Haywire assault one, those Warlord Traits are pretty great.


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 Enigwolf wrote:
By the way, not sure if anyone else saw the additional bit of the Scryerskull relic. It's not just revealing Mysterious Objectives, but also allowing you to nominate a vehicle to get rerolls to pen it by other units shooting at it.

Furthermore, unfortunately, Canticles aren't the most precisely written rules... It states that it affects all friendly units with that rule - how would this work in multi-player teams with multiple CM forces on each army?

Despite people playing it a lot, 40k is really not designed to be a co-op game. At best, the ruling would be that it's the same army and different detachments, just with multiple people controlling, so all Cult models would be counted as one, just as all Skitarii models would benefit from the same Doctrinas. However, when you play with your friends.... it doesn't matter. Run it how you like. I know our FLGS just ignores Ally levels when we play because we just do pickup games and don't plan who is playing with who ahead of time, so sometimes Daemons end up with Imperium and Necrons end up with Eldar or whatever, so forcing CtA is a pain.

 Enigwolf wrote:
By the way, not sure if anyone else saw the additional bit of the Scryerskull relic. It's not just revealing Mysterious Objectives, but also allowing you to nominate a vehicle to get rerolls to pen it by other units shooting at it.

Furthermore, unfortunately, Canticles aren't the most precisely written rules... It states that it affects all friendly units with that rule - how would this work in multi-player teams with multiple CM forces on each army?

Thanks enigwolf! Do you happen to have the rules for the stasis field?

I'm now curious how well a Cohort Cybernetica would work as an entire army. I mean yeah, if you're locked in combat you can't shoot anything and rings can be sprinted around you in Maelstrom... But how long is a monstrous creature swarm going to be locked in combat?

changemod wrote:
I'm now curious how well a Cohort Cybernetica would work as an entire army. I mean yeah, if you're locked in combat you can't shoot anything and rings can be sprinted around you in Maelstrom... But how long is a monstrous creature swarm going to be locked in combat?

Depends on the opponent. Ally in a H&R IC?

changemod wrote:
I'm now curious how well a Cohort Cybernetica would work as an entire army. I mean yeah, if you're locked in combat you can't shoot anything and rings can be sprinted around you in Maelstrom... But how long is a monstrous creature swarm going to be locked in combat?

If a unit with 3++ or better gets into combat, at least a turn or two.

The issue wouldn't be getting locked in combat (you could always activate the Assault protocol anyway), it would be that no matter how big the unit, you can only hold one objective at a time. You'd get outpaced in points pretty quickly. Though, it would be hilarious A massive, one unit army would be really fun to play with.

Until you come across D weapon Eldar :(

They can't join so it's a moot point, unless you have some way of remotely giving it.

Still, the cognis and spryer skull are gonna eat up 55 points in all my lists soooo....

I am loving the cohort, these arcanum items are making me like it even better. I find it hard to see me not selecting the skull, cognis and IWND... so many points, but they are amazing upgrades.

Skull with the "you pick the objective" warlord trait is actually pretty funny...and potentially deadly. Imagine identifying an objective as skyfire nexus...with the cohort...against flyrant spam...

 gameandwatch wrote:
I am loving the cohort, these arcanum items are making me like it even better. I find it hard to see me not selecting the skull, cognis and IWND... so many points, but they are amazing upgrades.

Skull with the "you pick the objective" warlord trait is actually pretty funny...and potentially deadly. Imagine identifying an objective as skyfire nexus...with the cohort...against flyrant spam...

I'm afraid it looks like you won't be able to do that. Both the skull ad the IWND item can only be taken by the Dominus, and seeing as you can only have one Dominus in the squad, it'll have to be one or the other, at least in that unit.

nudibranch wrote:

 gameandwatch wrote:
I am loving the cohort, these arcanum items are making me like it even better. I find it hard to see me not selecting the skull, cognis and IWND... so many points, but they are amazing upgrades.

Skull with the "you pick the objective" warlord trait is actually pretty funny...and potentially deadly. Imagine identifying an objective as skyfire nexus...with the cohort...against flyrant spam...

I'm afraid it looks like you won't be able to do that. Both the skull ad the IWND item can only be taken by the Dominus, and seeing as you can only have one Dominus in the squad, it'll have to be one or the other, at least in that unit.

Did it confirm one artifact per model?

Datasmiths cant take relics?

 Orock wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 gameandwatch wrote:
I am loving the cohort, these arcanum items are making me like it even better. I find it hard to see me not selecting the skull, cognis and IWND... so many points, but they are amazing upgrades.

Skull with the "you pick the objective" warlord trait is actually pretty funny...and potentially deadly. Imagine identifying an objective as skyfire nexus...with the cohort...against flyrant spam...

I'm afraid it looks like you won't be able to do that. Both the skull ad the IWND item can only be taken by the Dominus, and seeing as you can only have one Dominus in the squad, it'll have to be one or the other, at least in that unit.

Did it confirm one artifact per model?

The exact wording is "a model may take one of the following:", which I'm pretty much sure is true for relics for all armies?


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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Datasmiths cant take relics?

They can, just not the skull or the IWND relics, as noted on the relic list.

 Orock wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 gameandwatch wrote:
I am loving the cohort, these arcanum items are making me like it even better. I find it hard to see me not selecting the skull, cognis and IWND... so many points, but they are amazing upgrades.

Skull with the "you pick the objective" warlord trait is actually pretty funny...and potentially deadly. Imagine identifying an objective as skyfire nexus...with the cohort...against flyrant spam...

I'm afraid it looks like you won't be able to do that. Both the skull ad the IWND item can only be taken by the Dominus, and seeing as you can only have one Dominus in the squad, it'll have to be one or the other, at least in that unit.

Did it confirm one artifact per model?

per the pic of the wargear page above: "A model may take one of the following"