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The KS is now live

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1257458293/super-dungeon-explore-forgotten-king

Forgotten King, our third expansion, is an exciting new starting point for playing games of Super Dungeon Explore with your friends. This Kickstarter is Soda Pop Miniatures first self-published Super Dungeon product. Its purpose is to deliver an enhanced game experience that updates gameplay for veteran players, while providing a perfect entry point for new players.

Forgotten King is a stand-alone board game that includes everything you need to play your games of Super Dungeon Explore, including: a complete and updated rulebook, 51 preassembled miniatures, 6 beautifully illustrated double-sided dungeon tiles, counters, and game cards.

looks awesome! I have all the other expansions and they're great, this looks even better

Oh man, battle of the chibi board games . I can't imagine this news will help CMON's campaign (or vice versa with CMON's news on their game).

We'll that's certainly sooner than I expected. And as I stated before, I'm not certain how to approach this. I love the SDE stuff but a non-CMON SPM ks is uncharted water. Could be a good or bad thing.

Either way I'll be watching with avid interest.

The lack of co-op was the biggest barrier for me not getting into SDE before- now, assuming stars align (have the cash, things look cool, doesn't get bloated with exclusives) I'll be all over this.

Really surprised about this. Very much. Knew they'd be KSing a potential 2nd Ed this year. Hadn't heard any rumblings of them KSing Forgotten King, and I was a part of the playtest team.

Color me surprised, substantially.

Sold

Arcade mode intrigues me.

I have the original but we've only played it once as I hated every moment of being the overlord.

My only real reservation with this is that I'd like to see something delivered from KS that Soda Pop has already been involved with.

Doesn't help that a ton of other co-op games seem to be hitting this month, chibi or not.

Curious what the price point will be that they're asking for. I'm going to guess around 90 or 100 for Forgotten King if it's a new edition basically.

This may be the shot in the arm SDE needs in my house to make it to the table more often.

Is there some kind of drama that I missed? I sure could use something fun to read right about now, really boring day at work today...

but, this looks good. personally I'd pick SDE over the new CMON game just because it's been around a while and people like it. This may be just the tool I need to finish turning my nephews into gamernerds. The conversion process is nearly complete...

 Necros wrote:
Is there some kind of drama that I missed? I sure could use something fun to read right about now, really boring day at work today...

I mean, if you consider two very late KS that Soda Pop is involved with and another one (Mega Man) that isn't late, but hasn't been delivered.

I think some folks are....hesitant because of those things.

Looks like I'll be dropping Arcadia Quest there's no contest and I kind of hope they do overlap by a few days

 DaveC wrote:
Looks like I'll be dropping Arcadia Quest there's no contest and I kind of hope they do overlap by a few days

Why drop one?

 cincydooley wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Looks like I'll be dropping Arcadia Quest there's no contest and I kind of hope they do overlap by a few days

Why drop one?

Limited budget?

I dropped Arcadia down to $1 to keep getting updates, I'll be putting that money towards SDE.

Oh god. I had convinced myself that the MC RPG was absolutely, definitely going to be my last kickstarter.

Nuts.

 cincydooley wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Looks like I'll be dropping Arcadia Quest there's no contest and I kind of hope they do overlap by a few days

Why drop one?

Mmm Dreadball Xtreme, SDE, Impact's 3rd chibi KS, Mercs Recon, Antenociti sci-fi terrain - to many KS and the $90 is better spent elsewhere there was no KS for 2 months then a flood again!

Thats because they had to wait for xmas time to be over, now everyone wants our tax returns!

@cincydooley

Can you comment on how Solo play friendly the Arcade Mode ruleset might be if you were in on the playtests?

it would be very useful to know if this doesn't overlap with Arcadia Quests end

 DaveC wrote:
... Antenociti sci-fi terrain..

Oh god, I forgot about Antenociti and their awesome looking Gunship concepts. So my previous KS wasn't my last and my next KS won't be my last either. Maybe it will be the one after that..

..or the one after that.

I would back this, but SPM has a buttload of my money in Kickstarter limbo for Relic Knights. They mighta wanted to fulfill that one before launching another.

BTW, kickstarter backers should be aware that there have been many, many delays on the Relic Knights kickstarter. That in itself isn't a deal breaker, but the communication definitely has been sup par.

They paid for at least 2 trips to China, and no backers have any product yet. Good job spending those KS funds! :sarcasm:

Just be prepared, based on past performance, that you will get your product... some time... when they get to it. Who knows, maybe they'll put Relic Knights further on the backburner and get this out more quickly. Roll the dice, see what you get. Who knows.

For this? I'll go ahead and wait for retail. If at all.

So wait, instead of a 'release' in march, we are going to see a KICKSTARTER in march for a much much later release and a much much delayed delivery?

That is a little bit of bullcrap considering they have been teasing it as a product launch for 6+ months now. Putting like another 8 months delay on it is not a good thing.

 Necros wrote:
Is there some kind of drama that I missed? I sure could use something fun to read right about now, really boring day at work today...

but, this looks good. personally I'd pick SDE over the new CMON game just because it's been around a while and people like it. This may be just the tool I need to finish turning my nephews into gamernerds. The conversion process is nearly complete...

The Relic Knights and Robotech RPG Tactics KS's both seem to be layed squarely on the shoulders of SPM/ND, and their inability to produce the miniatures in a timely manner for manufacture.

I would really have liked to see this KS happen after their venture on Megaman reaches the delivery date, as SPM/ND is the only common thread between all 3 KS's. I'll be interested to read if they throw the 98% complete up on this KS, as they seem to be going to run it themselves.

Also interested to find out their definition of "interactive dungeon tiles". If it isn't 3d plastic tiles, I'm not sure how interactive it can be. I really hope that they have plastic tiles that can be linked to make bigger boards. I also like the fully assembled figures. I'll have to keep an eye on this one and weigh the KS against my angst for their ability to finish designing figures...

The miniatures at least seem to already be done which is where SPM have fallen down before so they just need tooling. I believe Forgotten King started life as an expansion like Roxor and Von Drakk but evolved into a full game thus it being teased for a good while and now requiring a KS to manufacture a split with CMoN makes this even more required.

But yeah I'd quite like to see Relic Knights before I back this but it's not a deal breaker. SPM have a rep for being late but usually deliver just add 6 months to whatever they estimate (at least!)

Those are some nice looking figures. Only way I can see this really working out is if it's 98% done or something. There's a good chance of that happening, judging by everything else being pushed back for so long. Maybe they've got the bulk of the game ready to go?

I think I'm going to have to be backing something at a buck and just add to it via pledge managers.

No way I can afford everything! We had nothing really noteworthy for the last few months, and then the deluge starts!

 Gymnogyps wrote:
They paid for at least 2 trips to China, and no backers have any product yet. Good job spending those KS funds! :sarcasm:

If that's addressing some supply chain issue, there's no real issue with them doing that. Sometimes that's a necessary part of doing business with your production spread across the planet.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
@cincydooley

Can you comment on how Solo play friendly the Arcade Mode ruleset might be if you were in on the playtests?

it would be very useful to know if this doesn't overlap with Arcadia Quests end

Yeah, lemme see what my NDA says and I'll share what I can.

I know, however, that there isn't any sort of campaign system built into Forgotten King that is reminscent of how Arcadia's appear to be. I wish I had more info on Arcadia, and I may after I visit CMON in a week or two, but right now I'm a little short on it.

I only knew it existed about a week before they started posting images, so I'll dig out what I can until I visit.

@Dave - I'm always interested at what products you back. I have to honestly say I've backed on Mantic KS (Deadzone) and will never do so again based on the quality I received (and subsequently sold, very quickly). And I don't get the "just tack on a 6 month delay and you'll be fine" attitude. Confuses me, I guess.

I don't have an issue with delays or long fullfillment.

I do have an issue when Sodapop has been promoting TFK for a solid 6 months as a general release which was expected to be released in march, and now for 'whatever' reasons it has backslid into a KS for no reason which makes sense to me...

I don't see what they need KS funds for when it is basically complete. Seems like a step backwards to go from commercial retail releases to KS simply because you can. Bothers me as a customer and makes me more intolerant that I have to wait potentially 6 months+delay for a product I was expecting to be out Q1 2014.

@cincydooley

thanks

I know Arcadia Quests co-op is not solo friendly as there's a significant degree of inter-player competition which means running the whole party yourself would be fairly pointless

I'm hoping the SDE co-op (arcade mode) is more geared towards kill the monster/clear the room which would make running a party yourself OK)

I dropped Arcadia Quest after hearing this news. I still have not invested in SDE yet, but this may be the shove off the cliff I need to get invested in the game. I really want to try painting everything in vibrant colors, which is such a change from the Zombie and WW2 stuff I've painted as of late.

After reading through the AQ thread a bit, I started to like the model designs less and less the more I noticed that the style wasn't really chibi, and more bobblehead. SDE's miniatures have a certain charm about them that the AQ ones lack (the latter having too many grimacing expressions).

Also, DwarvenForge will be Kickstarting their caverns tiles soon (probably early March from rumors), so there's that.

~iPaint

Oh God...

So many good kickstarters. I can't afford them all!

Currently in Drake and Dreadball, Counterblast would be nice but I'm topping my budget, and now you have to go and throw a SDE KS in there too.

And with CO-OP!?!?!?!?!

Le sigh...