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Shoulda just gone the Mierce route and had exposed genitalia flappin' in the breeze.

Concept art for the new Drakon riders



Facebook comments are asking for hard plastic, restic, resin, anything other than metal.

To me, Drakon variant 2, rider variant 3, and the second shield and lance have a bit of darkness about them, so maybe it's pulling double duty, and we've also the first look at a new Twilight Kin unit as well.

Oh wow those look gorgeous

Will the new drakon riders be tied in with the forthcoming skirmish rules KS or will they be a retail release? Has Mantic said what minis will be attached to the skirmish rules KS?

 lord marcus wrote:
Oh wow those look gorgeous

Problem is that Mantic obviously always had better illustrators than sculptors...

Depends on the Material used
the problem were mainly to get the chinise making plastic minis out of the illustration

So if they will be resin and done in europe the will look good

 kodos wrote:
Depends on the Material used
the problem were mainly to get the chinise making plastic minis out of the illustration

So if they will be resin and done in europe the will look good

I... what... Jesus Christ.

SKR.HH wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:
Oh wow those look gorgeous

Problem is that Mantic obviously always had better illustrators than sculptors...

True, but the newer stuff has been close to spot on.

 kodos wrote:
Depends on the Material used
the problem were mainly to get the chinise making plastic minis out of the illustration

So if they will be resin and done in europe the will look good

Wyrd games says hi.

The problem isn't the casters, it's the sculptors.
Or Mantic sculptor funds.. But hey, maybe they will kickstart them one day.

As I've understood it; the problematic Mantic HIPS models released some years ago (Goblins, Basileans) wasn't a problem with the sculptors or casters directly.

It was a lack of communication and incompatible digital files. It was the fault of the Chinese casting company that ran with what they had and cranked out sub-par models. The fault is also on Mantic that had not made sure to put themselves in a position of being able to demand a certain quality from the casters when this was revealed, plus choosing to send out the sub-par product to backers and customers.

edit: wrong thread.

Thankfully the heady days of 2012/2013 are fairly long gone and the Deadzone 2 and Warpath and TWD kickstarters have released awesomely sculpted models in plastic. No more restic, thank fething christ.

 judgedoug wrote:
Thankfully the heady days of 2012/2013 are fairly long gone and the Deadzone 2 and Warpath and TWD kickstarters have released awesomely sculpted models in plastic. No more restic, thank fething christ.

For the larger models, I actually quite like restic.

I never hated it nearly as much as some folks, though.

The Auld Grump

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Thankfully the heady days of 2012/2013 are fairly long gone and the Deadzone 2 and Warpath and TWD kickstarters have released awesomely sculpted models in plastic. No more restic, thank fething christ.

For the larger models, I actually quite like restic.

I never hated it nearly as much as some folks, though.

The Auld Grump

Me either. Excepting the bendiness now and then it's a decent material.

The issues with the old restic models were more to do with the models and their design, rather than the material they were made from.

 NTRabbit wrote:
Concept art for the new Drakon riders



Facebook comments are asking for hard plastic, restic, resin, anything other than metal.

To me, Drakon variant 2, rider variant 3, and the second shield and lance have a bit of darkness about them, so maybe it's pulling double duty, and we've also the first look at a new Twilight Kin unit as well.

That's understandable. Their recent metals have ranged from okay (cthulhumen) to garbage (elf chariots) while the plastics are doing nothing but improving. The new GSPC troops in HIPS are very good indeed.


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 Micky wrote:
The issues with the old restic models were more to do with the models and their design, rather than the material they were made from.

The Original (pre-KOWKS1) Mantic restic models (Undead Cavalry, etc) were actually decent. The KOWKS1 ones ranged from decent (Ogres) to hot garbage (take your pick) and the casting quality took a huge nosedive - probably in part because of the rushed production. Dreadball S1 had and exacerbated the same issues, as did a few of the following campaigns (*not to mention Sedition Wars and others who also used the same material for models that didn't gel well with the material) which resulted in a huge consumer backlash against the stuff.

Good point. I'm still hoping the drakon riders are board games plastic or restic due to weight.

Sometimes it feels like the people in Mantic can be a little too Nottingham old school, and choosing metal for these would go a ways to supporting that feeling.

That and the fact that Mantic's multipart metal models seem to lack the most basic of necessities - tabs. Yes you generally want to pin things, but lining them up is often helped by a decent tab, and things like heads and even arms are much easier to do with a ball and socket join. Considering a lot of the stuff is designed digitally.

 lord marcus wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Thankfully the heady days of 2012/2013 are fairly long gone and the Deadzone 2 and Warpath and TWD kickstarters have released awesomely sculpted models in plastic. No more restic, thank fething christ.

For the larger models, I actually quite like restic.

I never hated it nearly as much as some folks, though.

The Auld Grump

Me either. Excepting the bendiness now and then it's a decent material.

Bleh, I dunno, assembling Striders for Warpath right now and those mold lines still suck.

There's no reason for restic/pvc now when there's the superior DUST studios plastic they've been using for the other bigger models.

nota bene for anyone reading - material is not confirmed, and I doubt it will be restic, so please do not assume they will be in restic and start three pages of complaints

Again, I just don't want these in metal. The tipping over would be horrendous.

Agreed that digital renders followed by Dust plastic would probably be the best outcome.

I don't expect it through since it's a lot more faffing about, and no doubt has a much longer lead/production time, and production costs with tooling, etc than a blind sculptor and in-house metal casting.

Well, I did read a rumour that Mantic are busy setting up an in-house resin casting facility, so maybe resin dragon and metal figure? Or resin for both? One can hope

That's news to me. Where did you read that?

they announced it at the open day

Mantic are bringing resin casting in-house from January and will be making some kits (particularly large infantry) in resin. Once the molds wear out for some existing metal kits, such as Wyrm Riders, they'll convert them to resin.
New hard plastic Basilean Men At Arms and entirely new Drakons (might be one of the early resin releases)

 Micky wrote:
The issues with the old restic models were more to do with the models and their design, rather than the material they were made from.

I will admit to liking the restic trolls - I painted a face on one of the rocks, so the troll is having an argument with a rock... (and losing*).

The Auld Grump

* When used in a role playing game, that troll was actually smarter than most trolls - the rock with a face on it was a conceit that he used to hide the fact that he was smarter.... 'What's that Sally? You think I should send some boys to the left? Okay, but I'm not sure that's a good idea!'

Today's Newsletter said something about a Dungeon Saga reprint.. is that going to be with errata and actual editing or is it just going to be available again?

 MLaw wrote:
Today's Newsletter said something about a Dungeon Saga reprint.. is that going to be with errata and actual editing or is it just going to be available again?

Most likely both.

Lots of new pictures of the Trident Realms release!

The Thuul infantry and hero will be released in resin, Mantic now has resin production in-house.

Frog men are lovely!