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Masters Events are events wherein at 50pts a player brings three lists . I can't remember
if you're required to field them an equal amount of games, but many tournaments run
these events as though you do.

I'm debating my Trolls.

Currently I have the most practice with eGrissel, Jarl, Borka and eMadrak. I'm
likely to play with eGrissel, Jarl and eMadrak. Borka is iffy because I currently
have him with the Mountain King, who is always iffy.

I keep thinking that Janissa Stonetide (the wall chick) is a crutch and I keep
threatening to remove her from the pile.

Mulg is most actively with Jarl to give him armor cracking and Rok is with
Borka, to keep the Mountain King kinda scary (though I do worry about
auto-frenzying such an expensive warbeast).

eMadrak is a hoot to play.

How about you?

I'm pretty sure the Master's packet has Divide and Conquer normally.

I wouldn't toss Janissa, she's a great tool to have. The biggest problem is deciding which list she goes in.

And yeah, Primal on the Mountain King does seem like a bad combo unless you can absolutely afford the Frenzy. I'd prefer it in conjunction with a pair of Maulers, although lord knows that the MK needs a Mat buff.

Baldur2 - People don't like ARM 24 lights that you can't get off points without killing. People like them less when they have non-Purifyable spells causing this and behind them are Ferals, Ghetorix and Baldur charging-up. I find the list I run of late with this rather good against Protectorate, Cygnar, Convergence, Retribution and some Cryx. Khador doesn't care much for it either but can handle it.

Morvahna2 - Covers a lot what Baldur can't. Especialy Skorne, Legion and Khador.

Cassius - Mulches infantry, cracks armor, very good match-up against Cryx, some Skorne, Minions, Mercenaries and Trollbloods. Covers a lot the other two might worry about.

And stuff.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Master's packet has Divide and Conquer normally.

I wouldn't toss Janissa, she's a great tool to have. The biggest problem is deciding which list she goes in.

And yeah, Primal on the Mountain King does seem like a bad combo unless you can absolutely afford the Frenzy. I'd prefer it in conjunction with a pair of Maulers, although lord knows that the MK needs a Mat buff.

Yeah. Maybe I should just re-jigger my pMadrak list to field him.

The problem with most masters is that they are four games where you have to use each list at least once. Therefore, unless you want to be stuck into a really bad match up, I find it best to ensure that the lists are balanced and can handle most things you'll be facing.

To this end my current line up is Deneghra1, Skarre1 and Gaspy3.

Deneghra1 has the Nyss and Boomhowlers to deal out damage at range,

Skarre1 has all the mechanithralls and 20 bane knights to survive to the enemy and deal out damage there.

Gaspy3 has both Satyxis units and attritions the enemy down so the mechanithralls can finish things off.

 yastobaal wrote:
The problem with most masters is that they are four games where you have to use each list at least once. Therefore, unless you want to be stuck into a really bad match up, I find it best to ensure that the lists are balanced and can handle most things you'll be facing.

To this end my current line up is Deneghra1, Skarre1 and Gaspy3.

Deneghra1 has the Nyss and Boomhowlers to deal out damage at range,

Skarre1 has all the mechanithralls and 20 bane knights to survive to the enemy and deal out damage there.

Gaspy3 has both Satyxis units and attritions the enemy down so the mechanithralls can finish things off.

At least you don't have Lich Lord Asphyxious (the second).

 malfred wrote:
Masters Events are events wherein at 50pts a player brings three lists . I can't remember
if you're required to field them an equal amount of games, but many tournaments run
these events as though you do.
How about you?

After being out of tournaments for a year, and leaving my primary faction (Khador) on the backburner during that time, I’m rather pleased to find resurgence in “patriotism”, and a new found appreciation for “axe to face” since Butcher 3, greylord outriders, and Vlad 3 have hit the scene. So I’ve put my Circle to the side, and am fielding Khador again.
As to my three lists, as he’s my favourite character, I’m tempted to say:
Butcher 1. Claws of the dragon.
Butcher 2. Mad Dogs of War.
Butcher 3. Army is optional.
To be fair though, I’m actually really enjoying Vlad 3 style’s so he will always be one of my 2/3 lists. I think Butcher 3 is excellent. He will be my second. For third spot, it’s a tough one. I regard Irusk2 as supremely under rated by the community, and find him to be an incredibly good control caster that, regardless of going first or second, always manages to control the field, and strike first. He offers the traditional Khador “game” with a lot of extra depth, and shenanigans. Aside from Irusk2, I have to say I see Sorscha1 returning to favour more and more. Freezing grip, that feat, great assassination potential. Sorscha 2 is equally solid. Don’t get me wrong though, Butcher 1 is still a firm favourite. Unimaginative, but solid and very effective (claws of the dragon). He’s old school khador. Butcher 2, in terms of sheer manic fun (mad dogs of war tier) is my favourite caster in the game, but unreliable. Irusk 1 is always solid, but I think his stock has fallen since colossals, and increasing amounts of infantry hate have hit the scene. Strakhov, likewise is great fun, but a bit of a one trick pony. Im not massively big on the old witch, harkevich or zherkova either.

That's really gross.

What do you do against control lists?

I wouldn't primal my mountain king. He'll bust balls for a turn, then they'll run a grunt into BTB with him to eat the primal turn and ignore him.


In my experience so far, the two casters that run the MK the best is eGrissel and eDoomy. Wild Aggression is the obvious one, as it helps his MAT problem--plus eDoomy can primal shock stuff off him (Or make a crazy assassination angle).

eGrissel is actually more hidden and surprising. Her spray helps clear him so he can go do stuff. Her other shout knocks stuff down so he can pound on them. Inhospitable Ground usually prevents alpha charges, which means they have trouble one rounding him...then he can snack back up after taking minor damage. You can also just drift her AOE 4 for a covering fire on him--so that cheap/one wound weapon masters have trouble getting to him. I've top of 2 assassinated Vlad with her 2 shouts/mountain king throwing a warder at him, buying an attack on an enemy grunt, then shouting at him.

Lastly, her feat makes him ARM 25 with an EBDT/wall. I'd have to do the math but I'm pretty sure even Butcher3 doesn't one round him then. A list I've played with and had fun;

Grissel Bloodsong, Marshal of the Kriels (*6pts)
* Earthborn Dire Troll (10pts)
* Mountain King (20pts)
* Trollkin Runebearer (2pts)
Krielstone Bearer and 5 Stone Scribes (4pts)
* Krielstone Stone Scribe Elder (1pts)
Trollkin Warders (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
Trollkin Warders (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
Janissa Stonetide (3pts)


It's a meat mountain. Another variant I have is dropping one unit of Warders and adding an Impaler/Whelps and a Feral. Her shouts are really that good.

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
I wouldn't primal my mountain king. He'll bust balls for a turn, then they'll run a grunt into BTB with him to eat the primal turn and ignore him.


In my experience so far, the two casters that run the MK the best is eGrissel and eDoomy. Wild Aggression is the obvious one, as it helps his MAT problem--plus eDoomy can primal shock stuff off him (Or make a crazy assassination angle).

eGrissel is actually more hidden and surprising. Her spray helps clear him so he can go do stuff. Her other shout knocks stuff down so he can pound on them. Inhospitable Ground usually prevents alpha charges, which means they have trouble one rounding him...then he can snack back up after taking minor damage. You can also just drift her AOE 4 for a covering fire on him--so that cheap/one wound weapon masters have trouble getting to him. I've top of 2 assassinated Vlad with her 2 shouts/mountain king throwing a warder at him, buying an attack on an enemy grunt, then shouting at him.

Lastly, her feat makes him ARM 25 with an EBDT/wall. I'd have to do the math but I'm pretty sure even Butcher3 doesn't one round him then. A list I've played with and had fun;

Grissel Bloodsong, Marshal of the Kriels (*6pts)
* Earthborn Dire Troll (10pts)
* Mountain King (20pts)
* Trollkin Runebearer (2pts)
Krielstone Bearer and 5 Stone Scribes (4pts)
* Krielstone Stone Scribe Elder (1pts)
Trollkin Warders (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
Trollkin Warders (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
Janissa Stonetide (3pts)


It's a meat mountain. Another variant I have is dropping one unit of Warders and adding an Impaler/Whelps and a Feral. Her shouts are really that good.

Stealing this for adepticon.

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
I wouldn't primal my mountain king. He'll bust balls for a turn, then they'll run a grunt into BTB with him to eat the primal turn and ignore him.
I've top of 2 assassinated Vlad with her 2 shouts/mountain king throwing a warder at him, buying an attack on an enemy grunt, then shouting at him.

Ok I have admit that I laughed at that. Somehow I just envision it playing out similar to the end of X Men 3 with the warder telling the mountain king "to make it a strike" except Vlad doesn't have special Magneto powers to save him.

It's pretty fun to play. It pretty much auto-loses to certain matchups (Cryx) so you have to have your 2nd list cover the weaknesses--but there's time when you can look at their two lists, realize they can't crack armor and just bully your way into the zone.

Also, balanced Cygnar lists hate it. All your POW 10 shooting? They might as well set out this match. Also--many Cygnar players run Hammer Dwarves. And the MK under eGrissel can take a full charge of all 10 no sweat, then powersweep back up to full, then shout for kill shot, etc. It's pretty gross.

And eGrissel can take being up front behind a wall. Most game she is 19/19 with a transfer or two--you can push her to 19/21 if you're really nervous.

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
I wouldn't primal my mountain king. He'll bust balls for a turn, then they'll run a grunt into BTB with him to eat the primal turn and ignore him.

To be fair, once the MK is stuck in you've likely either won or he's dead next turn and won't have a chance to Frenzy.

Haven't attended any and probably won't for a while (though WarmaHordes is rapidly growing out here in Shanghai) but if I did I would bring:

eKreuger - my go to guy for a lot of stuff. In particular Legion whom Circle have issues with. I build assassination lists since he naturally has a lot of denial and adds more movement shenanigans to a faction already filled with shenanigans.

eMorvahna - Yeah, we all know why she's here.

Kromac - In case of armour skew + very good vs Cryx.

I'm also not a very competitive player but for a 3 list I'd probably roll out:

Axis Tier (assuming the engima foundry is out) - troop swarm that won't stay dead is a fun skew. Axis actually has some abilities that let you get a first strike. Razor wall makes single wound infantry very sad, his feat is a speed debuff for your opponent so they can't charge you. All in all a very solid jam with a few awful match-ups.

Lucant - Lots of people love Lucant, and I can see why even though he isn't one of my favorite castors in the faction. I need a gunline drop, I need a purification drop. This guy can run a mix of heavy infantry and jacks that will set him apart from the Axis list. I'm thinking high armor armor cracking. I think this would also be my anti-stealth list (I need one and I can't get it anywhere else). Need a monitor and a cypher or assimilator in there

Iron Mother - with prime axiom and some elimination servitors. Assassination list, plain and simple. Either kill them with the prime axiom or pick a warjack, slap feedback on it, and start putting 4-5 damage on their caster every turn with puncture hax. Directrix feels really strong against warmachine in general with dominate and feedback. And she loves the prime axiom. Plus the shrapnel swarm spell on FOC 8 with access to flare would make high defense infantry sad (even stuff immune to blast damage).

If I was being practical instead of cute I'd probably drop Axis and play Syntherion tier to shift the anti-stealth duty from Lucant and let him play purely armor cracking. Hot shot on Assimilators or cyphers would absolutely rip infantry to pieces. I'm just too in love with tiered Axis and a sea of undying robots with sprays that ignore friendly models.

Well, let's see...

pDenny,
2 Nightwretches
Nightmare.
Skarlock
Pistol Wraith
Warwitch Siren
Satyxis Raider Captain (or 2nd Warwitch Siren)
Bloat Thrall
Max Bile Thralls
Max Satyxis Raiders w Sea Witch
Max Bane Thralls w UA

Asphyxious the Hellbringer
Kraken
Nightwretch
Vociferon
Bane Lord Tartarus
Pistol Wraith
Necrotech w Scrap
Warwitch Siren
Bloat Thrall
Min Bile Thralls
Min Bane Thralls w UA
Max McThralls w Skarlock Commander or a Brute Thrall

and right now, third would be Scaverous.
Skarlock
Erebus
Deathjack
Deathripper
Harrower
Warwitch Siren
Necrotech w Scrap
Gerlak Slaughterborn (or 2nd Warwitch and Machine Wraith)
Max Bile Thralls
Withershadow Combine

Oh wait, I can't steal this for Adepticon, lol.

I only have one painted unit of Warders. Oh well.

I'll just run my regular eGriss with champions and warders.

I plan to lead off with my Jarl list (works in most situations)
unless the game is a brawler in the center, then my
Weaponmaster list goes in.

eMadrak could be fun too.