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When did you start disliking GW?
When they had that crazy 15-20% permanent price hike a couple summers ago
When they ordered indie retailers to stop shipping overseas
When the introduced Finecast
When they completely replaced their paint range
When Flyers and FMCs were introduced
When 6th edition released with its nerf to cc-armies, 'tanking' wound allocation and generally bloated rules
The Battle Brothers craziness in the Allies matrix and all its exploits
When rulebooks almost doubled in price due to hardcover
When they overpowered Eldar and Tau
When they started pushing Escalation and Superheavies into regular 40k
When their accelerated release schedule meant even fans started to completely lose track of the state of the ruleset and confusion began to reign supreme
When they killed White Dwarf
When they removed all FAQs and Erratas
When their new website launched, deleting your existing account and order history
When they started selling supplements with 1 page of rules for hardback full price
When they started selling codexes based on single units (LotD, Stormtroopers) with no new unit range at all, as new armies
When they released 7th edition just 1.9 years after 6th
When the Force Organisation Chart was thrown out of the window
When you can no longer buy a mini rulebook and have to shell ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS for the hardcover BRB

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GW just isnt the same for me anymore, but I want to specifically implore on the reasons. Mine are obviously all the above

The reasons listed above are mostly in chronological order, starting from about half a decade ago till present day.

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Bounding Assault Marine






So we're going to condense all the GW whine threads into one? ok.

you automatically lose points for using the trite gamer-isms: balanced, meta, Mat Ward, etc. 
   
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis




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That "15-20%" price increase wasn't a universal price increase, it wildly varied from product to product.

Beyond that "hate" is a strong word and I don't feel it applies in most people's cases. And you're thread lacks a "I don't hate GW" option.

I am sometimes very disappointing in things GW does, but I'm rarely mad, and I've yet to "hate" them for anything. When the time comes that I become so dissatisfied with them that I can't stand them anymore I'll just go find a new hobby instead.
   
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Wraith






Missed opportunity to list "The 2013 December to Remember Event".

That would have covered the start of datadumps, $18 single character rules, Escalation, Stronghold, Formations and the general nonsense that we have now.

Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb

 
   
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Stoic Grail Knight





Raleigh, NC

I haven't started "hating" GW at all.

When I do, I will vacate these forums and move onto other areas.
   
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Wraith






I assume hate is the internet slang for frustrated/dissatisfied with the current state of affairs.

Obviously, there's a barrier anyone may cross where they take their ball to go home. But the "loud complainers" are the ones who still care a great deal and want to enjoy themselves; just their ability has been greatly hindered.

Hence, I'd say choose the one that made you a bit sour on the circumstances.

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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord






"Hate" is a very strong word. "Disillusioned" is better one.

Several factors, but the straw that broke the camel's back for me was Finecrap, accompanied in the same year with the embargo (IIRC), my local hiring a twatbag of a staffer which forced me out.

Came back briefly, but it wasn't the same. Something had properly shifted in my downtime. 6th edition was a hippy dippy all over the place pile of crap that is incredibly schizophrenic as to its identity. I tried to give it a chance. I was prepared to put up with its flaws as the store now had some decent staff, but nope. Still gak.

Loads and loads of minor things they've done also to earn my ire, such as the whole "Spots the Space Marine" debacle and their general attitude.

So, since 6th hit I've gone in with Warmahordes full time.

GW....



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Cosmic Joe





I don't hate GW so I didn't vote.
Do I think they make horribly stupid mistakes? Absolutely.
The Chaos Dex was a cornucopia of missed opportunities.
The Nid dex was a copy+paste job with a lot of units removed without anything in return except massive and unecessary nerfs.
Khorne dozer and Taurox, horrible.
But they do a lot of stuff I like and I enjoy the game and the fluff.



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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord






Cornucopia. Now there's a mellifluous word!


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Fresh-Faced New User




This wasn't an option on the poll, but for me it was when they stopped bitz sales, and when they gave up on Specialist Games. For me it's been downhill since.

Been with GW for 26 years, so it's hard to quit them cold turkey. If it was not for the nostalgia and my GW fluff fandom, I'd walk away from them because of what they have become.
   
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Sister Oh-So Repentia





I don't hate/dislike GW, and likely won't unless they squat the Sisters.

At the moment though I'm mostly sitting on the sidelines hoping they can pull out of what appears to be a terminal tailspin of bad ideas - Finecast, the slide into Epic 28mm, ludicrous ally rules and one unit codexes come to mind - before they damage 40K beyond repair.

   
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control





Adelaide, South Australia

I don't 'hate' GW, I'm just very disappointed in them.

But seriously, mostly I'm just frustrated that I look at PP- their interaction with their customers, their forums, the clarity of rules, tournament support and a few other things- and think 'there is no reason GW can't do that'. The 40K setting is far and away the best IP out there but it's shacked to sup par almost everything else. When other companies showed how it could be done, that's when my feelings for GW shifted.

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Bounding Assault Marine






Plywood_Slayer wrote:
This wasn't an option on the poll, but for me it was when they stopped bitz sales, and when they gave up on Specialist Games. For me it's been downhill since.

Been with GW for 26 years, so it's hard to quit them cold turkey. If it was not for the nostalgia and my GW fluff fandom, I'd walk away from them because of what they have become.


of course it wasn't an option, because those are pretty obscure complaints... and valid ones...

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you automatically lose points for using the trite gamer-isms: balanced, meta, Mat Ward, etc. 
   
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Confessor Of Sins




WA, USA

I have way better uses for my time than to stew and count out the reasons that a game company has wronged me.

Has GW made mistakes? Of course.

But come on.

 Ouze wrote:

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Cosmic Joe





 ashcroft wrote:
I don't hate/dislike GW, and likely won't unless they squat the Sisters.

At the moment though I'm mostly sitting on the sidelines hoping they can pull out of what appears to be a terminal tailspin of bad ideas - Finecast, the slide into Epic 28mm, ludicrous ally rules and one unit codexes come to mind - before they damage 40K beyond repair.


True, if they squat Sisters, I'm moving on to Warmachine and Infinity.



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Freelance Soldier





GW died to me as a modelling company with the release of Finecast. I've always loved metal miniatures and painting them is a joy. Painting plastics is not nearly the same.

With the release of 6th edition 40K, GW died as a gaming company. I'm hesitant to even call this product a game now. It somehow gets worse monthly, going from flyers, Tau/Eldar allies, dataslates, Escalation, dropping of units from codices, to no FAQ's and errata (!). Every time I think GW has hit rock bottom, they break out another drill and dig deeper. Eventually, they'll hit earth's core and melt away.
   
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I am not hating GW, but I am convinced that a bunch of incompetent GW managers with no common sense and no idea of the gaming industry are ruining the creativity AND the economic outlook of the company, with the decomposition accelerating and escalating for about a year now.

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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord






 -DE- wrote:
GW died to me as a modelling company with the release of Finecast. I've always loved metal miniatures and painting them is a joy. Painting plastics is not nearly the same.

With the release of 6th edition 40K, GW died as a gaming company. I'm hesitant to even call this product a game now. It somehow gets worse monthly, going from flyers, Tau/Eldar allies, dataslates, Escalation, dropping of units from codices, to no FAQ's and errata (!). Every time I think GW has hit rock bottom, they break out another drill and dig deeper. Eventually, they'll hit earth's core and melt away.


Agreed 100% on both points.


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Stitch Counter





The North

Personally,

I like many of the models
I find many of the rules reasonably sensible / playable. If I remove the expectation for the game to make sense in reality, then it's actually quite fun.


What I'm finding frustrating is the fact that rules are written, sold to us at a high price and then a FAQ is done.

What I'm finding additionally frustrating is the idea that GW may be selling a 'new' rule book very soon - that is essentially the 6th Ed. with the FAQs in. Why should we have to pay yet more to replace their original mistakes? They sold us a faulty good in my eyes and should replace the 6th Ed. books free of charge. Sifting between FAQs, Rulebooks and Codices for the correct version of the rules is frustrating. To now be expected to buy another £60 rule book that is apparently correct this time around sticks in my throat. What's the bet that the proposed new BRB is correct this time around?


Secondly, the death of much of the fluff / potential for fluff abuse is... well, disappointing. By this I refer to the Rogue Trader style rules where anything goes. Dataslates and Allies allowing for a pick-n-mix power gamers delight at the expense of theme and story. Tau Firebase Support Cadre with Adeptus Astartes Storm Wings, Inquisitorial Detachments and other cheese all in one FOC... bleh. Let's throw some Imperial Knights at it.

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Sneaky Lictor





Once i joined Dakka....

I started a year ago. Before that was 2nd edt when i was a kid..
I quickly realised my local was bad. Small tables, no gaming days, no prizes for painting days and spending loadsa money.

I then joined Dakka and learned my suspisions were correct. GW doesn't care about about me.

The Nid codex was enough for me to be able to claim they're either lazy or just rubbish. I didn't want ott stuff, i wanted fun and fluffy.

I always buy my music and support the artists but with GW i do the opposite. Listening GW?
   
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Evasive Pleasureseeker



Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto

I don't hate GW, but I am honestly very disappointed by the new website launch due to:
1. Having to re-register my account.
While not heinous, what happens to orders that were being processed during the downtime? Now I have no digital record of my own, and am forced to hope that GW backed-up all the relevant info on their end in case something goes wrong. (note: I always print off my own paper hard copies, but it still needs to exist in the their system!)

2. Missing FAQ's & Erratas.
Now the only way a game's going to go smoothly is for me to pray my opponent isn't going to be a huge donkey cave. Gee, thanks!
I can imagine tournaments for the very near future decending into nothing more than an exercise in who can be the biggest rules-abusing douche bag. Welcome to the new Cockhammer 40k, the grim dark game of who's the biggest @$$hat!


Basically, without those FAQ's & Erratas, it's now much harder for new players - especially if they pick-up an army that hasn't been updated to 6th edition yet, while also making it harder to get in pick-up games due to the niggling feeling of, "will/will not my opponent now take advantage of the sheer silliness of the system?!"

 
   
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Czech Republic

Aaaaand another gakked whine thread.

In all seriousnes, there is missing vote for "I didnt start to dislike the firm". Yeah, even such people exist. Its just company and no, its still not killing babies and puppies despite of internet warriors claims.

Jesus, do something useful than another thread "Look at me, I dont like GW too and I made a poll about it! Bros forevah?"

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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces






This new site did it for me.
Write me up for the official GW Hate Club™.

(it is not really hate, but more a dislike for several price-related reasons. There are still plenty of reasons for which I like GW, but they are so blatantly ripping you off it is not fun anymore.)
Maybe I should start Dystopian Wars?

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Badass "Sister Sin"






Camas, WA

Silly poll is silly. What about if we don't hate GW?

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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord




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 TheKbob wrote:
Missed opportunity to list "The 2013 December to Remember Event".

That would have covered the start of datadumps, $18 single character rules, Escalation, Stronghold, Formations and the general nonsense that we have now.


This, pretty much.

I became disillusioned with GW the moment they went on this "DLC" craze.
   
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot




SoCal

No I don't option? They make great models and I love their games, balanced or no.

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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan





Fareham

So wheres the "i dont hate them" option?

Seems like the usual BS moaning topic to be honest.
Yes, GW prices are high.
Yes, finecast was for the most part, a complete fail
And yes, white dwarf turned into a glorified sales mag.

I still like GW though.
While its changed alot, its still my favorite wargame and something i can see me playing in years to come.

True, they have introduced alot of stuff recently, but games have to move forward.
Things become stale if they stay the same for too long, so new ideas help out.

   
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Badass "Sister Sin"






Camas, WA

 BlaxicanX wrote:
 TheKbob wrote:
Missed opportunity to list "The 2013 December to Remember Event".

That would have covered the start of datadumps, $18 single character rules, Escalation, Stronghold, Formations and the general nonsense that we have now.


This, pretty much.

I became disillusioned with GW the moment they went on this "DLC" craze.

Even though it was just an extension of their old 'DLC' craze which existed before the term DLC even existed, right?

After all, we've been buying white dwarf for one unit worth of rules for 15 years now. Did the price increase with digital? Sure. Did the availability after the rules have been out for a month increase with digital? Yep.

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Hangin' with Gork & Mork





The Ruins of the Boston Commonwealth

All of the above! Every single thing gets my goat! The prices on some of our plastic drugs are preposterous! On the other hand... I like the Taurox model. I hate the name though. (Tau Rocks? Really GW?)

 
   
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Wraith






I can see having a point on the poll for "I never disliked them" but the posts of "Oh, look, another whine thread!" are not proactive to a discussion you could have easily never opened and inflammatory in nature.

Someone else posted it in another thread, but look up "Customer Dissatisfaction". A great majority of those folks who are unhappy with a company will never voice it, they will simply leave. If there is a strong sense of dissatisfaction being vocalized, it's a good bet that the actual dissatisfaction is much farther spread. Not everyone hits forums.

It's equally true that happy customers don't complain. Which is why having that data point on the chart would be meaningful. I would bet that data supports that the unhappy crowd is a quickly growing lot.

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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
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