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So... in the Stormies Dex are the 55th Alphic Hydras, a Strormie batalion that's getting BFF with ultramarines with the most capable candidates being conscripted by the Smurfs into their ranks.
Am I the only one to assume that the whole lot is working for the Alpha Legion?

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Everything is a plot of the Alpha Legion.

Burn them. Purge them with fire. Exterminatus their world.


Better still, call the inquisition! Destroy the whole Sector... just as planned...*whisper*

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Scions getting conscripted into the UM ranks? Like being turned into marines?

If I completed misinterpreted what you're saying then ignore me. But if that is what they're implying, I figured Scions would be too old to undergo indoctrination/manipulation to become a Space Marine.

Although if they're not, and these guys *are* Alpha Legion, AND we see maybe a whole company of UM becoming secret Alpha guys....ho, ho, ho, that would be a pretty good story for GW to cook up!
   
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 Kosake wrote:
So... in the Stormies Dex are the 55th Alphic Hydras, a Strormie batalion that's getting BFF with ultramarines with the most capable candidates being conscripted by the Smurfs into their ranks.
Am I the only one to assume that the whole lot is working for the Alpha Legion?


Yeah, it was obvious...firstly But, despite that, there are other Alphic regiments, so i just guess the name is from parental Schola Progenium. Still...would be classy from Omegon

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 UlrikDecado wrote:
 Kosake wrote:
So... in the Stormies Dex are the 55th Alphic Hydras, a Strormie batalion that's getting BFF with ultramarines with the most capable candidates being conscripted by the Smurfs into their ranks.
Am I the only one to assume that the whole lot is working for the Alpha Legion?


Yeah, it was obvious...firstly But, despite that, there are other Alphic regiments, so i just guess the name is from parental Schola Progenium. Still...would be classy from Omegon


Or Alpharius, considering both may still be alive

Definitely a cool theory.

   
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 Accolade wrote:
Scions getting conscripted into the UM ranks? Like being turned into marines?

If I completed misinterpreted what you're saying then ignore me. But if that is what they're implying, I figured Scions would be too old to undergo indoctrination/manipulation to become a Space Marine.


There are "whispers in Tempestus the young Scions from the regiment are recruited by Ultramarines"...so...its "rumor" and maybe they just make auxiliaries. Also, Scions are already indocrinated - brutally chemically brainwashed, so...

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Fluff for one of the regiments of stormtroopers in the new Militarum Tempestus codex.

As to the recruited into the UM, I think it's supposed to mean the best children that get brought in are rumored to be picked up and made into SM instead of stormtroopers.
   
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Alphic Hydras?
There is no way Alpharius isn't all of them.

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 Accolade wrote:
Scions getting conscripted into the UM ranks? Like being turned into marines?

If I completed misinterpreted what you're saying then ignore me. But if that is what they're implying, I figured Scions would be too old to undergo indoctrination/manipulation to become a Space Marine.

Although if they're not, and these guys *are* Alpha Legion, AND we see maybe a whole company of UM becoming secret Alpha guys....ho, ho, ho, that would be a pretty good story for GW to cook up!


I think its misinterpretation, and what it implies is they are conscripted into UM naval armsman forces/Ultramars PDF kind of deal... Haven't read the fluff too much, but its also possible that if the regiment/battalion or whatever operates its own Schola or whatever its called to train their recruits, perhaps the UM are selecting their most capable child-soldiers?

There are "whispers in Tempestus the young Scions from the regiment are recruited by Ultramarines"...so...its "rumor" and maybe they just make auxiliaries. Also, Scions are already indocrinated - brutally chemically brainwashed, so...


This would confirm what I said, operative/key word is 'young'.


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Alpha Legion is known to infiltrate other chapters by pre-training recruits to increase their chances of being chosen at trials and to complete the training. They have a historical "love" for the Smurfs, Alpharius and Guilman being BFF from the start.... really, I bet half of the ultramarines are Alpha Legion by now..

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So wait, half of all space marines are descended from ultramarines and half of the ultramarines might be alpha legionnaires (based on no fluff whatsoever, but this is a fun train of thought so roll with it), so... 1/4 of all space marines in the galaxy are Alpha Legion?

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Alphic Hydras? Really?


How the heck would the Inquisition/Ultramarines not find that painfully suspicious.

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Hey, I didn't make this up. I was idly reading some fluff in the Stormie-Dex and there it was.

55th Alphic Hydras... bla bla bla... close ties to the ultrasmurfs, have been deployed alongside 2nd 3rd 5th 7 th 8th... companies, some Progena are rumoured to be taken by the chapter and turned into full Astartes.

Now, I don't think that heresy spreads via geneseed but looks like at least a good few of the smurfs are now Alphas.

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 Darth Bob wrote:
Alphic Hydras? Really?


How the heck would the Inquisition/Ultramarines not find that painfully suspicious.
Because GW for the last 6 years has been terrible at writing fluff.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
 Darth Bob wrote:
Alphic Hydras? Really?


How the heck would the Inquisition/Ultramarines not find that painfully suspicious.
Because GW for the last 6 years has been terrible at writing fluff.


Yeah, GW has taken to beating us over the head with "secret" information. Heck, the children's book "Howl's Moving Castle" is more subtle than 40k fluff!
   
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Well, as long as it does move the story forward. Guilman returns only to find out that half his chapter are secret Alpha Legions would be too sweet.

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How would they be Alpha legion though? They would have to have Ultramarine geneseed, not to mention the mindwipes they go through (a good old dirus wash is hard to fight).

Actually, I think that the Alpha Legion is all a ruse. There is just one old Legionnaire in a shack somewhere, spreading so much misinformation that it seems like they are everywhere. It is all lies!

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Why aren't they blue and green?

They're in disguise

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 purplefood wrote:
 BrotherOfBone wrote:
Why aren't they blue and green?

They're in disguise

They need those nose/moustache/glasses disguises, that are attached to eachother

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How could those storm troopers be Alpha Legion?
Are they known to use mortal followers, who have extensive ties to the military?
Wouldn't that also mean that the Alpha Legion have infiltrated the Schola?

It just doesn't add up.
I think the writer just thought it sounded cool, and didn't think of the Legion.

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Am I missing something? What's the supposed link? Just because they have "Alpha" in their name?

Couldn't this be just because, at least according to that list on the Lexicanum wiki, all those new regiments have a greek character in their name?

But maybe the Deltic Lions are actually connected to the Celestial Lions, and the Iotan Dragons have a history with the Black Dragons Space Marine Chapter! *gasp*


... honestly, I don't think the Alpha Legion has a trademark on "Alpha". They're not GW.

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 Lynata wrote:
Am I missing something? What's the supposed link? Just because they have "Alpha" in their name?

Couldn't this be just because, at least according to that list on the Lexicanum wiki, all those new regiments have a greek character in their name?

But maybe the Deltic Lions are actually connected to the Celestial Lions, and the Iotan Dragons have a history with the Black Dragons Space Marine Chapter! *gasp*


^

Yep. It just doesn't add up.
Of course, this is going to spawn another silly fan theory, like Tyranids being made by the Outsider / Old Ones / Flying Spaghetti Monster

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We know for one that there is an Alpha Legion agent picking off Ultramarine descendents for one, he killed off an entire chapter via an intricate plot of indoctrinating the youth of the planet they drew recruits from via psyker mindfething. Once he gave the signal, all those who were turned into sleeper agents, near the entire chapter, let themselves be killed off and the entire ~1,000 Space Marines were wiped out in a swift blow (though it should be noted that he was supported by a full warband of the Black Legion with their resources).



Not only does "Alphic Hydras" scream Alpha Legion, they seem to make every attempt to please the Ultramarines, to the point that the Ultramarines draw recruits from them. So it's quite likely that the Ultramarines themselves have been infiltrated by the Alpha Legion, possibly even having sleeper agents in their own number. Which explain a lot of the utterly idiotic moves they've been pulling in Black Library books like McNeil's Ultramarines series, where Ventris is simply a terrible commander ad the Ultramarines almost don't even bother to think things through, like sending two people on a penitent crusade into the Eye of Terror.

And yes, the Alpha Legion are ridiculously good at infiltrating. Off the top of my head they brought down an entire chapter with sleeper agents, had at least one guy in the Inquisition IIRC, and work in small terrorist cells using cultists, although I can't find where that was stated, but I always hear about how the Alpha Legion uses mortals in its affairs. Either way, Ultramarines might need to do some purging, and make sure it's not Ultramarines they're purging, but sleeper agents.

EDIT, found it on the lexicanum, from Index Astartes and Legion apparently.

Even less is known about the internal organisation of the Alpha Legion since the Heresy than was known before. On occasions there have been successful assassinations of members of the Legion thought to be high-ranking officers, but their removal has had little visible effect on Alpha Legion operations.[1] It is believed that since the Heresy the Alpha Legion operates as independent cells hidden throughout the Imperium, coordinating various Cultist activity to subvert Imperial rule. While these cells operate independently of one another and destroying one will not effect the effort of their overall mission, the Legion still loosely coordinates its actions across the Galaxy. Who is coordinating these efforts and how they are doing so is largely a mystery to the Imperium, but many believe they achieve this through "Operatives". These figures are apparently human, but have undergone limited psycho-hypnotic therapy to make them absolutely loyal to the Legion. These operatives, fully infiltrated into Imperial society, act as the link between Alpha Legion cells and Cultists, and are their primary method of galaxy-wide communication.[1a]


So not only are the Alpha Legion really really good at infiltrating the Imperium, they're able to maintain communication across the entire fething galaxy between their cells via their operatives. That's probably a more efficient and bloody amazing system than the Imperium itself manages to pull off, what with barely FTL comms that are often garbled by the warp, yet Alpha Legion cells displaced across the entire galaxy can maintain communication with each other.

SECOND EDIT

Looked up the Chapter that got wiped out in one fell swoop by the Alpha Legion, it was the Crimson Consuls, Ultramarine descendent.

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Ok, so? That still doesn't answer the question how the Legion got their human minions into the schola. Just sounds like speculation.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
So wait, half of all space marines are descended from ultramarines and half of the ultramarines might be alpha legionnaires (based on no fluff whatsoever, but this is a fun train of thought so roll with it), so... 1/4 of all space marines in the galaxy are Alpha Legion?

Not really... keep in mind that 1/3 of the Alpha Legionnaires are not really Alpha Legionnaires, but Alpha Legionnaires that are just pretending to be Alpha Legionnaires.

Not the same at all.
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 Lynata wrote:
Am I missing something? What's the supposed link? Just because they have "Alpha" in their name?

Couldn't this be just because, at least according to that list on the Lexicanum wiki, all those new regiments have a greek character in their name?

But maybe the Deltic Lions are actually connected to the Celestial Lions, and the Iotan Dragons have a history with the Black Dragons Space Marine Chapter! *gasp*


^

Yep. It just doesn't add up.
Of course, this is going to spawn another silly fan theory, like Tyranids being made by the Outsider / Old Ones / Flying Spaghetti Monster

I LOVE silly fan theories. They are fun.


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