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2014/04/16 04:29:45
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Hey guys, so I really enjoy 40k. But here is the thing, I don't care about fluff,I like playing.I also don't pain my own models but pay to have them painted. I like 40k for the gaming and atmosphere.
What is your opinion on this?
What makes you play 40k or any other game?
Am I a bad person for not liking the fluff?
Hit this thread up with your opinions.
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2014/04/16 04:31:12
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Disguised Speculo
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Not a bad person, but I gotta say I question your taste if you play 40k for the gameplay
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2014/04/16 04:32:21
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Like what you like pretty much.
I like painting the models then seeing them all together on the table in a game. Background is interesting at times as well.
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2014/04/16 04:34:26
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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Dakkamite wrote:Not a bad person, but I gotta say I question your taste if you play 40k for the gameplay
Pretty much this.
If all you care about gameplay and don't care about the quality of fluff, I'd play Warmachine/Hordes. Their fluff is super derpy, but the rules are very solid. Of course, I use the term "quality" loosely, since GW puts out a whole lot of derpy stuff themselves, but the setting itself is far more interesting.
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2014/04/16 04:34:46
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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You're missing out. The fluff is the best part. If you want a game, there are better games out there.
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2014/04/16 04:43:48
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Dakkamite wrote:Not a bad person, but I gotta say I question your taste if you play 40k for the gameplay
MWHistorian wrote:You're missing out. The fluff is the best part. If you want a game, there are better games out there.
I didn't like Warmachine asmuch, although I am currently collecting the whole Khador faction because they look amazing.
To be honest I know there are flaws in 40k, but L still really love playing it. I am most likely influenced by the fact that a lot of my friends play the game aswell.
Now I don't totally hate the fluff, I do ask my friend a question now or then. I am a gamer, I enjoy the game, it might sound weird but I do
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2014/04/16 04:52:13
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Fixture of Dakka
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Hey that's cool, when I first started I was the same way. I only cared about the game and playing, but as time went on it kind of grew on me and now I'm totally into the fluff.
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2014/04/16 04:53:34
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Fixture of Dakka
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40k is mechanically speaking, an unbalanced, confusing mess.
The lore and hobby aspects are the big things it has going for it.
But 40k still is a fun enough beer and pretzels game and I can see people enjoying it competitively without extensive houserules.
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2014/04/16 04:57:24
Subject: Re:I Don't Care About Fluff!
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To be honest, I hate the WH40k fluff too.
I hate how brutal and depressing and cruel and gory everything is, which is why I made my own custom armies with custom fluff that's not all dark and icky and brutal.
I got into the game without knowing anything about the fluff. The story of how I got into the game is that no one at the local store wanted to play MageKnight one day, but a friend of mine and a group of his friends were there playing WH40k, so I figured, enh, why not.
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2014/04/16 05:03:10
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Steadfast Grey Hunter
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Well, play 40k caring so little about the fluff is like playing snake and ladders, a total PWP (plot, what plot?)
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2014/04/16 05:17:05
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Flashy Flashgitz
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The actual gameplay is really wonky, so I certainly couldn't play it 'just for the game'. You already admitted to collecting Khador because you like how they look, and if that is also one of the reasons you like 40K as well, then that counts as 'hobby reasons' rather than 'gameplay reasons' to me.
All power to you, sir.
EDIT: I don't know the name of the Warmachine Factions. Apparently its Khador, not Khaldore.
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2014/04/16 05:26:14
Subject: Re:I Don't Care About Fluff!
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I really love the Warhammer 40k fluff. But I don't have any problems playing with someone who doesn't.
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2014/04/16 05:33:33
Subject: Re:I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Fixture of Dakka
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Pouncey wrote:To be honest, I hate the WH40k fluff too.
I hate how brutal and depressing and cruel and gory everything is, which is why I made my own custom armies with custom fluff that's not all dark and icky and brutal.
I got into the game without knowing anything about the fluff. The story of how I got into the game is that no one at the local store wanted to play MageKnight one day, but a friend of mine and a group of his friends were there playing WH40k, so I figured, enh, why not.
40k's lore is a parody of the extreme over the top darkness prevalent in the fiction of the 80s and 90s.
It's a joke you can only really get if you lived through the era of rob liefeld and XTREME.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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2014/04/16 05:40:59
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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There are elements of 40k fluff that I like and some of the models (but not the rules).
There are elements of WM/H RULES that I like (but not the models. I don't do steampunk at the best of times, and most of the factions just don't appeal to me)
I'm in the hobby more for the modelling aspects and the social aspects than the gaming, though.
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2014/04/16 05:45:02
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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twinner wrote:Hey guys, so I really enjoy 40k. But here is the thing, I don't care about fluff,I like playing.I also don't pain my own models but pay to have them painted. I like 40k for the gaming and atmosphere.
What is your opinion on this?
What makes you play 40k or any other game?
Am I a bad person for not liking the fluff?
Hit this thread up with your opinions.
1. Don't care honestly. As long as you are having fun everything is fun.
2. 40k? Combination of a few things. Building the models, creating my own unique stories and armies, playing with friends, and the fluff.
3. No, although I recommend basically any game if it is for rules (since most others have better rules than 40k). If it is because who you can play with, that makes sense though I'd argue seeing if they'd like to join with you on playing another.
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2014/04/16 05:52:26
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Huge Hierodule
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1. You can like whatever you want to like, it doesn't affect me.
2. I don't play 40k, really. I collect and paint the 40k models because I enjoy the hobby and the fluff.
3. No, but I do wonder why you don't like it. After all 40k isn't exactly the pinnacle of miniature wargaming systems, so I do find it hard to wrap my head around why anyone would want to play this game if they have absolutely no interest in/don't like the fluff.
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2014/04/16 05:57:32
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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People enter the hobby for different reasons, not adhering to the builder/painter/modeller/gamer mould is nothing to worry about. The fluff is what initially fascinated me with the game, but that sheen is wearing thin with some of the stuff that passes for fluff these days. SM brofisting Xenos of all types comes to mind. Whatever happened to Purge the Alien.
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2014/04/16 06:41:00
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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Omegus wrote: Dakkamite wrote:Not a bad person, but I gotta say I question your taste if you play 40k for the gameplay
Pretty much this.
If all you care about gameplay and don't care about the quality of fluff, I'd play Warmachine/Hordes. Their fluff is super derpy, but the rules are very solid. Of course, I use the term "quality" loosely, since GW puts out a whole lot of derpy stuff themselves, but the setting itself is far more interesting.
Dunno about that, tbh.
I played Warmachine for the first time last week. Frankly, I was kind of underwhelmed by the gameplay. Yeah, it seems a lot more balanced, and intuitive (which is a big plus). But it just feels so... sterile. It lacks the charm of 40K, imo.
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2014/04/16 08:27:02
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Heroic Senior Officer
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I like 40k the game. hate the fluff. Everything is so over the top and exaggerated. But what I do love is the human models and gaming. I play plenty of other games but the best thing about the 40k game is the customization.
I can make an army of whatever I want using whatever company and use it. Its great.
I havent read the fluff in any codex yet, I read gaunts ghosts and thats a bout it. I tried getting into the setting but the more In know the more I dont like it.
While I do enjoy a few bits and pieces of the setting, about 99% of it sucks for me.
So I know how you feel OP, but the options and flexibility of the models and rules make 40k one of the better games I play. yes all the other games are better rules wise that I play, but they dont offer what 40k does.
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2014/04/16 10:06:33
Subject: Re:I Don't Care About Fluff!
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When you read true WH40K fluff you feel like listening to brutal death metal with some melodic parts. I can actually see the author sitting and thinking to himself: "...can i make it even more brutal?..Oh,yep we need some bit of extra blood, entrails and dismemberment here and there...now it's good!".
Depends on taste, i guess. Some people like this grimdark approach.
As for me, i've gone into the hobby when saw my friend playing DOW1. The first thing that impressed me was voice acting. Especially CSM. The second thing was a totally unexpected close combat! There's something epically magnificent in this combination of ranged combat and insane assaults.
Than i read some books in a WH40K setting and got a couple codexes. But before reading them, i had a few tutorial games in a local club using AoBR starting set and allready assembled miniatures. I liked the game and it felt unusual. Pretty tactical, awesome minis and fun to play.
Than i decided to read codexes and examine the rulebook more accurately. The first codex i read were CSM cause theese mutated treacherous brutal bastards are awesome. And then it was a turning point. I read a 4-th edition (still current) Ork codex! I pretty much fell in love with their fluff.
Time has passed and i clearly see that the game system has lots of flaws and codexes are poorly ballanced. That's not really great. Especially the intended nerfs and cheeze that is implied in new codexes to force sails. But fluff is what keeps me hooked. It provides much more fun than pure tactics and listbuilding. In the end, fun is really what matters. And it's irrelevant how you get it.
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2014/04/16 10:11:37
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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For me, it's a combination of everything. I love the fluff, love the models (on the whole), love the rules. To be honest, I struggle to find anything I actively dislike about 40k.
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2014/04/16 10:14:34
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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2014/04/16 10:44:19
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Omegus wrote: Dakkamite wrote:Not a bad person, but I gotta say I question your taste if you play 40k for the gameplay
Pretty much this.
If all you care about gameplay and don't care about the quality of fluff, I'd play Warmachine/Hordes. Their fluff is super derpy, but the rules are very solid. Of course, I use the term "quality" loosely, since GW puts out a whole lot of derpy stuff themselves, but the setting itself is far more interesting.
Care to elaborate? I couldnĀ“t agree less myself.
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2014/04/16 10:54:38
Subject: Re:I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Disguised Speculo
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koooaei wrote:
As for me, i've gone into the hobby when saw my friend playing DOW1. The first thing that impressed me was voice acting.
Oh god this. Clicking on an Ork and getting "Where's me Squig Ointment?!" did it for me.
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2014/04/16 11:15:21
Subject: Re:I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Fixture of Dakka
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Dakkamite wrote: koooaei wrote:
As for me, i've gone into the hobby when saw my friend playing DOW1. The first thing that impressed me was voice acting.
Oh god this. Clicking on an Ork and getting "Where's me Squig Ointment?!" did it for me.
Relic traditionally has a lot of very skilled and invested voice actors on call. It's been their thing since Homeworld.
Relic just hits all the notes on the sounds of the 40k universe perfectly (save for bolter fire but that's passable).
Their Space Marines sound impressive, their guardsmen have ingrained themselves into my head as the standard voice for guardsmen, I literally cannot read any Eldar lines without that little echo Relic gives them, their chaos units sound evil and insane, their Tyranids are perfectly monstrous and menacing and even the SoBs and Dark Eldar sound great.
But the Orks?
Relic knows Orks.
All the Orks were fun to play as and fight and the Ork units just felt so well done. And the voices? You can tell the VAs had a blast acting as the Orks.
And I'll be damned if Relic hasn't nailed the humor of the Orks.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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2014/04/16 11:44:34
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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twinner wrote:Hey guys, so I really enjoy 40k. But here is the thing, I don't care about fluff,I like playing.I also don't pain my own models but pay to have them painted. I like 40k for the gaming and atmosphere.
What is your opinion on this?
That's fine. You're not a bad person because of this and I would still play games with you.
What makes you play 40k or any other game?
Because 40k was the most popular miniature wargame on the market, and nobody would ever play anything different. This was, admittedly, years ago and I've noticed attitudes are gradually beginning to change. Before, it was 40k all day err'y day with maybe a few Fantasy battles at my local gaming shop. These days, people are bringing and playing Flames of War, X-Wing, and occasionally Malifaux. But Warmachine/Hordes definitely rivals 40k in terms of games played at my gaming store.
So in a nutshell: I want to increase the base of people I wargame with.
Am I a bad person for not liking the fluff?
No. You have different tastes. We all do.
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2014/04/16 11:49:23
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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MWHistorian wrote:You're missing out. The fluff is the best part. If you want a game, there are better games out there.
I think you are wrong. The fluff is not the best part. When I read my Tyranid and Dark Angel codex, I don't really see the fluff that good. Other codices are the same. When reading the "fluff" there is really on 1 or 2 sentences that really explain the "history" of the armies. There is not really "good" fluff in the books.
There is so many parts to the Games Workshop hobby. Some like the fluff, others like to paint, others like to convert, and some like to game. There is no right or wrong answer. You like to game, that is perfectly fine. As long as you are enjoying what you are doing, it's perfectly fine. NOBODY can say you are wrong, because if they do, they are wrong.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
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2014/04/16 11:56:12
Subject: I Don't Care About Fluff!
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BlaxicanX wrote: Omegus wrote: Dakkamite wrote:Not a bad person, but I gotta say I question your taste if you play 40k for the gameplay
Pretty much this.
If all you care about gameplay and don't care about the quality of fluff, I'd play Warmachine/Hordes. Their fluff is super derpy, but the rules are very solid. Of course, I use the term "quality" loosely, since GW puts out a whole lot of derpy stuff themselves, but the setting itself is far more interesting.
Dunno about that, tbh.
I played Warmachine for the first time last week. Frankly, I was kind of underwhelmed by the gameplay. Yeah, it seems a lot more balanced, and intuitive (which is a big plus). But it just feels so... sterile. It lacks the charm of 40K, imo.
We had the same thing recently - a friend and I played 3 or 4 games and found some aspects unbalanced (feats) and others just annoying /silly (you can;t premeasue - except that you can but pretend your doing something else) - like alot of the mdoels and the luff but underwhelmed by the gameplay for my taste.
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2014/04/16 12:36:25
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I don't think that w40k fluff is much better then its rules . Wolf of the wolf wolf , angelic blood claws of blood and skulls everywhere aren't much better then ++2 re-rollable invs or D weapons.
For fluff it is better to read some good fiction.
The only reedeming factor of w40k is the social aspect . Other games aren't played as much , even if they have better rules , better fluff or models which I like more.
Although the last one is only partly true , I bought a lot of infinity models to replace my guardsman , coteaz and SW ally.
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2014/04/16 12:41:10
Subject: Re:I Don't Care About Fluff!
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
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Kain wrote: Dakkamite wrote: koooaei wrote:
As for me, i've gone into the hobby when saw my friend playing DOW1. The first thing that impressed me was voice acting.
Oh god this. Clicking on an Ork and getting "Where's me Squig Ointment?!" did it for me.
Relic traditionally has a lot of very skilled and invested voice actors on call. It's been their thing since Homeworld.
Relic just hits all the notes on the sounds of the 40k universe perfectly (save for bolter fire but that's passable).
Their Space Marines sound impressive, their guardsmen have ingrained themselves into my head as the standard voice for guardsmen, I literally cannot read any Eldar lines without that little echo Relic gives them, their chaos units sound evil and insane, their Tyranids are perfectly monstrous and menacing and even the SoBs and Dark Eldar sound great.
But the Orks?
Relic knows Orks.
All the Orks were fun to play as and fight and the Ork units just felt so well done. And the voices? You can tell the VAs had a blast acting as the Orks.
And I'll be damned if Relic hasn't nailed the humor of the Orks.
Agreed on everything. Every time I shoot with my Wraithguard...
MmmmMMMMMMBZZZZAAAAAAAAAP
DoWII was honestly what brought me to 40K.
Those Chaos Space Marines.
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