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Warhammer Age of Sigmar

Kinda like Warhammer 40,000 Dark Vengeance ?

EDIT: Oh look at that.... It says it right there... A new age of Warhammer dawns in this brand new starter set



I'm not going to throw all my models away just yet.

 edlowe wrote:

For example moving a chariot base and rotating it sideways at the end of its move makes the rear of the model move more than its move distance, which is against the rules. To move your full allowance in one direction and not break the rules a figure cannot be rotated.

Rotate freely during the move but don't allow any part of your model to be more than the move distance. It's a lot easier this way.

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
Mainly it's just sad to me to think that someone might come here expecting to see information about the game they can digest on their own and instead seeing thousands of hateful, butthurt posts.

They can, it's called page freaking one of this thread. It's been getting updated with all the new pics and info. No one actually has to wade through any of this crap if they just want updates.

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
when i first got into the hobby it was so amazing to me and i spent no time on internet forums. Wouldnt it suck if someone was denied that new fresh joy because of pages and pages of gak-talk?

Same here. I bought my Tau, read my codex, I was excited and couldn't wait to buy more stuff. Then I discovered 40k forums shortly after and learned that I was apparently the worst kind of human being for buying Tau to play 40k with. It quickly became apparent to me why everyone at the store was trying to get me to buy Warmachine.

So yeah, I know all about that. And frankly I don't really care if my negativity now is ruining the hobby for anyone else. Maybe if this community wasn't full of donkey-caves to start with, things would be a lot different, but I'm physically incapable of giving a gak anymore about anyone else's enjoyment because I'm sure as gak no one gives a damn about mine. I'll tell you what I've been told before; "If you can't handle it then find a new hobby."

Do I sound bitter? lol, I'm getting a drink.

 XT-1984 wrote:
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Warhammer Age of Sigmar

Kinda like Warhammer 40,000 Dark Vengeance ?

EDIT: Oh look at that.... It says it right there... A new age of Warhammer dawns in this brand new starter set



I'm not going to throw all my models away just yet.

What do you think this proves..? We know it's a starter set already. We also know it has the full rules in it, all 4 pages.

 XT-1984 wrote:
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Warhammer Age of Sigmar

Kinda like Warhammer 40,000 Dark Vengeance ?

EDIT: Oh look at that.... It says it right there... A new age of Warhammer dawns in this brand new starter set



I'm not going to throw all my models away just yet.

Literally from the last fething page..

 insaniak wrote:

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
This clearly isnt the only "Age of Sigmar" item GW is releasing. theres plenty of time in the future for more releases. the wd even says "books we release in the future." it could be anything. instead everyone ignores that its just a starter set and thinks the absolute worst about everything.

People aren't ignoring that it's a starter set.

They're taking the word from GW reps, and the people in charge of the GW reps, that the four pages of rules are all the rules that the game has, and that there are no points values and no plans to add them in, and they're reading the rules which have been floating around online for the last couple of days.


This isn't people jumping at rumours. This is people looking at a product and finding it wanting.


If there is something else coming out that makes this mess into something that is actually playable, then GW's choice to lead with what they have and not provide clearer information about it right from the start is a very, very bad one. Because people will make judgements based on what they see.

Mainly it's just sad to me to think that someone might come here expecting to see information about the game they can digest on their own and instead seeing thousands of hateful, butthurt posts.

You seem to be having trouble differentiating between criticism and hateful ranting.

For the most part, there has been very little 'butthurt' in this thread. Just a bunch of people posting their opinions (and it certainly hasn't all been negative) about this product.

And frankly, if a game is as bad as this one appears to be, then if I were a prospective new gamer I would absolutely want to know about that before I walked into a GW store and bought it.

Oh Az, you know what they say...

Its as much proof as any of the naysayers have so I'm sticking with it.

 XT-1984 wrote:
Its as much proof as any the naysayers have so I'm sticking with it.

No it isn't, but you clearly haven't read the thread if you think that.

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
right now the question of whether this game sucks or not is answered only with "who knows?

...unless, like a lot of the posters in this thread, you've taken the time to read the rules that have been available online for several days now .

Again, there's no big mystery here . We've seen what's in the box. We've seen the rules. We've been told that those rules are the full game rules, not just condensed, starter rules.

I'm at a loss as to what more you think people should be waiting for before forming an opinion.

 insaniak wrote:

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
right now the question of whether this game sucks or not is answered only with "who knows?

...unless, like a lot of the posters in this thread, you've taken the time to read the rules that have been available online for several days now .

Again, there's no big mystery here . We've seen what's in the box. We've seen the rules. We've been told that those rules are the full game rules, not just condensed, starter rules.

I'm at a loss as to what more you think people should be waiting for before forming an opinion.

I think most folks are waiting for the warscrolls for their faction...

The crazy ones are waiting for the rumored full rules that GW is denying.

I read them thank you.

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Dear lord, what have they done to Fantasy. Even now, it strikes low. Those images just look like 40k. It's lost all soul and identity.

I like the way undeadlandpark looks like it's underwater

splish, splash

 pinkmarine wrote:
As I've said before, I think the business model here will be the scenarios. Creating a story (or several parallell stories) that moves forward, encouraging you to buy new models in order to play it out. Each scenario contains the info you need for a "balanced" game – or play it with your own models, match up as good as you can.

If you want to go competitive – well, just play a scenario! Tactics on the field – rather than list building – will be more important.

Again, a game aimed at the less committed casual player.

IF it was for the less committed casual player, they'd be doing it with pre-painted plastic minis.

I don't think even GW knows who the target audience is.

@insaniak

Clearly, ive read them. ive read every page of this thread because i find it somewhat psychologically fascinating.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm curious as to where the "wait and see" crowd (all, what, three of them?) will concede it's as bad as it appears?

C'mon boys, where the line eh? I mean, it'll be self evident when the opposite view is invalidated because they'll be a points based/alternative balancing system to point to.

The 'Wait and See' crowd only has to 'wait' for another day or two, then they will be 'seeing' just how good or bad the system is.

I am incredibly leery, but I already own a metric ton of figs, and it will not cost me a single penny to try the game out. I wager most people in this thread also already own figs, for which there should be free lists for come Saturday.

The only thing it will cost to give it a try is a little bit of time. Then folks can make informed decisions/claims/complaints/compliments with at least a little experience with the new game under their belts.

Until then, almost everything in the past 180+ pages of this thread is just hot air, really.

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
@insaniak

Clearly, ive read them. ive read every page of this thread because i find it somewhat psychologically fascinating.

I don't think that was clear at all - but please do share the psychologically fascinating insights you've been able to glean here!

Just be sure to shine that light in all directions - I'd like to hear your take on GW's collective psych too, and what they were thinking here!

 XT-1984 wrote:

 Psychopomp wrote:

So, let me get this straight:

The "wait and see" argument is pretty much hoping for a best case scenario of more rules and some sort of points balancing or other army creation system, which would stand as proof that GW are a company of lying liars who lie to their trade sales customers?

Either way, I don't think this is a company I want to do business with.

Its a better argument than the "lets rage on about the bits of information we have now rather than wait for the finished product".

Besides, the GW reps are salesmen. And at this exact moment in time perhaps they are right, there are no points or scenarios in AoS. But maybe in a months time we will get a hard back rulebook.


We just don't know for certain yet, anyone claiming otherwise is either misinformed or worse.

Just to note here, I don't believe most of us are raging. I'm simply LMAO.

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
@insaniak

Clearly, ive read them. ive read every page of this thread because i find it somewhat psychologically fascinating.

Then what is it you think we still need to see before forming an opinion on those rules?

Alpharius wrote:

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
@insaniak

Clearly, ive read them. ive read every page of this thread because i find it somewhat psychologically fascinating.

I don't think that was clear at all - but please do share the psychologically fascinating insights you've been able to glean here!

Just be sure to shine that light in all directions - I'd like to hear your take on GW's collective psych too, and what they were thinking here!

I remember back when I did my Psychology degree! Oh, we all like to pretend we understood others, generally "analyzing" others in a condescending fashion, with that waft of superiority. Those were the days...

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 XT-1984 wrote:

 Psychopomp wrote:

So, let me get this straight:

The "wait and see" argument is pretty much hoping for a best case scenario of more rules and some sort of points balancing or other army creation system, which would stand as proof that GW are a company of lying liars who lie to their trade sales customers?

Either way, I don't think this is a company I want to do business with.

Its a better argument than the "lets rage on about the bits of information we have now rather than wait for the finished product".

Besides, the GW reps are salesmen. And at this exact moment in time perhaps they are right, there are no points or scenarios in AoS. But maybe in a months time we will get a hard back rulebook.


We just don't know for certain yet, anyone claiming otherwise is either misinformed or worse.

Just to note here, I don't believe most of us are raging. I'm simply LMAO.

I haven't raged (although I really don't like the renaming stuff), I just think there is a lot of questionable stuff here that having the background books won't resolve in any way. I also find it strange how others can be so dismissive of the complete destruction of the old WHFB, and the ending of a game that people have loved for 30 years. I can't imagine the same response would occur if 40k were so dramatically altered as to being the same game only in miniatures and name.

 XT-1984 wrote:
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Warhammer Age of Sigmar

Kinda like Warhammer 40,000 Dark Vengeance ?

EDIT: Oh look at that.... It says it right there... A new age of Warhammer dawns in this brand new starter set



I'm not going to throw all my models away just yet.

So what you're saying is that like Dark Vengeance, Age of Sigmar contains the full rules?

So are we getting a 12 page hardcover version later?


GW has NEVER not put the full rules in a starter set for the Main 2, I doubt they're going to start doing cut down starter rules only now.

All of the WHFB podcasts I listen to are going to be interesting indeed. Skull Bros Awesome's take on it, in particular.

Still no pictures of the sigmarines and the khorne guys side by side.
I have a feeling, the more I see the images, that there has been significant scale creep, and those chaos forces are as big as the sigmarines.
The box art for the arch thing shows them both but its blurry, they look very similar in size, which would make the chaos ones much bigger than the current stuff.

Just want to edit in another observation, the battle artwork is strikingly similar to the various space marine artwork of the past 20 odd years. It bears no relation to warhammer fantasy at all any more. I think that is quite sad, and regardless of the quality of the gajme itself, or lack thereof, I can't think of any good reason ot make such a drastic switch. Even in the new setting, keeping the feel of the world that has been followed for 30 years by paying customers seems sensible, it wouldnt be a roadblock to new customers, but would keep the old ones.

@Accolade

Apologies. i dont have a psych degree and thats not what i meant to come across at all, that i was analyzing people or even saying i was on a moral ground above anyone whatsoever. i actually meant fascinating, as in i really find it interesting to read and see what people think, and how it changes over time or because of new information. I really didn't intend to appear condescending. I just find people, and their various opinions and methods of expression and cultures very interesting. Sorry if i seemed like an ass. That statement involving my fascination really had nothing to do with my earlier posting or my opinions.

Realm gate?

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the strangest thing for me is that nothing has actually changed. dont like age of sigmar?okay. youre in the same place you were before it existed.

Wrong. Games of Fantasy in some areas are pretty hard to find. What this ..game.. will do and likely already has done is split an already smaller player base. Some will switch, some will hold their guns, and some will quit altogether. For most, they are upset about the missed opportunity, just like getting a new codex and it sucks. You KNOW you are stuck for another 2 years with crap. In this case, a real fantasy mass battle system may never return, using the rule sets we've become accustomed to.

so... lets spread metric gaktons of hate on an internet forum about it so it can get lost in the sea of millions of peoples opinions that nobody cares about weeks after theyre posted.

Oh right, so you are criticizing people for using an internet forum in the way it was intended? Glad you can be the post-police. Like it or not, the posts about the system, positive or negative, are all on topic. Get off your high and very hypocritical horse.

furthermore, in a few weeks, if a mass battle, balanced system is actually coming out, what will you all do? stick to your guns and find a new reason to hate everything? or change your tune and sing the praise of gw all of a sudden, going back on all of the extreme comments that youve made

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Opinions can change. You can love your wife till she cheats on you. Are you not allowed to change your mind because you professed it before? I might dislike you right now, but apologizing for being overbearing and hypocritical and that might change. Even publicly!

because if the latter is the case... why not just wait and see this whole time instead of possibly pushing new gamers away when they see all the community has for this game is hatred before its even born?

Again, forums exist to spread ideas, the idea itself is not important.

if its the former, who cares that you hate it so much no matter what it is? why would any of your opinions have any weight?

Obviously you cared enough to try and take us to task?

it would just be hatred for hates sake. pretty soon this thread will create a new chaos god all about impatience, anxiety, and hate.

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Still no pictures of the sigmarines and the khorne guys side by side.
I have a feeling, the more I see the images, that there has been significant scale creep, and those chaos forces are as big as the sigmarines.
The box art for the arch thing shows them both but its blurry, they look very similar in size, which would make the chaos ones much bigger than the current stuff.

Just want to edit in another observation, the battle artwork is strikingly similar to the various space marine artwork of the past 20 odd years. It bears no relation to warhammer fantasy at all any more. I think that is quite sad, and regardless of the quality of the gajme itself, or lack thereof, I can't think of any good reason ot make such a drastic switch. Even in the new setting, keeping the feel of the world that has been followed for 30 years by paying customers seems sensible, it wouldnt be a roadblock to new customers, but would keep the old ones.

If you wait two days I'm sure there will be all sorts of pictures of them side by side. I also believe you are correct and there is significant scale creep.

I'm also wondering if should AoS be a success, 40K will also get this treatment of a complete reboot.

I can't see this splitting the player-base... because, being frank here... IF there is indeed no balancing mechanism, and none in the pipe-line... then there is no "game" here.

"Game" implies certain things, including providing enough structure that all participants have some expectation of knowing what they are doing.

The "wild west gunshow" that is this game currently SEEMS to have no notion of how big or small a session might be, and that is just the start of the ways in which it is a non-game.

And mind, I am not taking sides, and this is all contingent on the game being exactly what it seems. I feel our last "hope" is a glimpse at the included scenarios, and hoping it provides insight into how GW wants this game played.

I kind of sadistically would be interested to see the fallout of this kind of reboot but for 40k...