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Hey guys, got something of a tournament coming up, 2500pts, with lots of DE, WoC, DoC, Empire, HE, Lizardmen, and Dwarves.

My current list building has taken me down a route that looks a bit like this

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Loremaster 330
-book of hoeth
-armor of silvered steel
____________________________________________________________174
Noble 174
-bsb
-dragon armor
-great weapon
-star lance
-other trickster's shard
-enchanted shield
____________________________________________________________632
Silver Helms*14 322
-fc
-shields

Archers*10 110
-standard

Ellyrian Reavers*5 100
-musician
-bows

Ellyrian Reavers*5 100
-musician
-bows
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Swordmasters*20 340
-fc
-world dragon banner

Phoenix Guard*20 375
-fc
-razor banner
____________________________________________________________612
Sisters of Avelorn*8 112
Bolt Thrower 100
Bolt Thrower 100
Bolt Thrower 100
Bolt Thrower 100
Great Eagle 50
Great Eagle 50

Everything in the list I think explains itself, but if you don't agree feel free to tell me, I'm looking for a general critique and look over about the effective ability of my list and its units.

Can't have armor on a Mage and some of your numbers are off. Your ellyrian reavers should only be 95 and bolt throwers are 70.

jaffrime wrote:
Can't have armor on a Mage and some of your numbers are off. Your ellyrian reavers should only be 95 and bolt throwers are 70.

The Loremaster comes with Mundane armour, so can be given Magic Armour perfectly legally... but yes, some numbers are off here and at first glance I'm not sure if you have actually paid for a barded steed for your noble BSB?

At 2500 points a Loremaster isn't going to cut it as your only magic user.

Your three combat blocks aren't really big enough for this point level either. 20 SM and PG are going to be either ground down by the combat units of some of your opposition armies and shot down to easily manageable numbers by others.

Priority here would be finding a way to get an archmage and bolstering the two infantry blocks.

Sorry didn't realize a lore master. Just assumed lvl 4. My bad.

You may be able to run a lvl 2 and the lore master. Not every list NEEDS an archmage. But yeah, 8th edition wants squads to be at least 30 strong if they are going to do anything.

alex87 wrote:Priority here would be finding a way to get an archmage and bolstering the two infantry blocks.

Not necessarily. The PG could do with a few more bodies, but the Swordmasters work best in small groups of 7-14

jaffrime wrote:You may be able to run a lvl 2 and the lore master. Not every list NEEDS an archmage. But yeah, 8th edition wants squads to be at least 30 strong if they are going to do anything.

It's a tournament. If you want to try and win, yes, you do need a Lvl4. You're putting yourself at a huge disadvantage if you don't take one.

Anyway, this list needs a lot of work if it's to stand up in a tournament scene.

Firstly, as mentioned, you really need a Lvl4. Loremasters are nice, but not suitable for tournaments. Drop him in place of a Lvl4 Archmage with Shadow Magic and the Book, with a Ward Save of your choice (5++ or 4++). You'll also need a back-up Mage, either Lvl1 or Lvl2, on a Lore like High Magic or Beasts (it's pretty flexible really). Just make sure he carries a Dispel Scroll. As for your BSB (who I assume you intend to be mounted), you really want him on foot, where the majority of your army is going to be, not gallivanting off with a cavalry unit where everyone's outside of his Hold your Ground range. A good build (especially if he's going in Pheonix Guard) is: Dragon Armour, Shield of the Merwyrm, Sword of Might, Obsidian Trinket. This build works very nicely with a Lvl1 or 2 High Magic Mage in the same unit, but other Lores are just as good to take.

As for the Core, I really don't think a Silver Helm bus is going to work here, not unless you invest a lot of points in other nobles. I'd drop the Silver Helms down to two units of five with a musician each. These work nicely as flanking units in tandem with your Pheonix Guard. The points saved should be spent on more Archers, to make a more suitable Mage bunker for your Lvl4. Reavers are good, though, off the top of my head, I think you're slightly out on the points values.

For Special, as mentioned, beef your Phoenix Guard up to around 25-30, and drop your Swordmasters to a units of 14 and 7, or three units of 7, each with just a musician. These also work nicely with Phoenix Guard. Alternatively, drop some altogether for a unit of Dragon Princes which, again, work really well (better, I'd say) with the Pheonix Guard.

Rare is good.

Hope this helps, if you have any more questions, feel free to ask!